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What can I do to move on from all this? 37.3.5 > 27

37.3 is a line of severe aggression and sterness in the family.
Then in 37.5 someone king-like comes along and plunders this family.
And the result is hunger.
The family wasn't that good to begin with, then after the plundering they were left poor.
So this describes what has already happened to you, and you're currently at the stage of 27.

The Image advice says: "Thus the superior man is careful of his words
And temperate in eating and drinking."
You need to focus on your basic needs first, food, work.
Start with the basics and then slowly build up.

Maybe you've heard about Maslow's pyramid of needs?
He said that we really need to start by fulfilling the basics otherwise we can't progress.
I believe this is the answer for how you can move on.

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Another key term for 37 is 'familiar person', but the lines here clearly refer to a family.

'The king enters his own home.
Do not worry. Good fortune.'
37.5
I don’t understand how the auspicious 5th line can possibly be perceived as representing plunder. « Do not worry, good fortune » The YJ doesn’t lie, so I think of it had the intention of representing a plunderer, it would have employed a different Hexagram and a different line. Its the term king that also restrains me here.
The confusion is caused by an imaginative translation.
In the original text, there's no character saying "his" home.
And also there's no character which says exactly "good fortune"
(i.e. this is not the auspicious character of "lucky omen" that you get elsewhere).

What the original text actually says, is:
King false (or: king approaches), occupies/obtains household/family.
Do not worry, lucky (or in some versions: going/leaving is lucky).

It refers to ancient practices where the king had lots of rights over his subjects.
 

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It is indeed curious how some people tend to get right on literal answers from the I Ching and others seem to get only gobbledegook. My own experience has been that when I first was introduced to IC the responses I received practically called me by name telling me explicitly what I needed to know for the day ahead. Then that phase passed and I found the readings becoming more obscure to the point of causing me to question if all this was only random chance. Yet there was always enough truth in the lines to keep me interested and so I persevered only now I could no longer sit back and be spoon fed. To make sense of the hexagrams I had to still my objections, quiet my mind and have total faith that there was something of value to be gotten. I eventually experienced that by not resisting, by just letting the reading settle in, I not only came to recognize the message, but also I realized that my ability to see things with a deeper understanding had been enhanced. In other words, while at times the I Ching is spot on literal telling us specifically where to go and what to do, at other times we are given a symbol which requires us to stretch our imagination in order to connect. I think you are getting answers of this sort now so pictures of "home" and "family" and "king" no longer have meaning for you on the literal level and so to understand them you now must consider what these images point to on a symbolic level.
Rejoice! If the I Ching is becoming difficult for you to understand it's because your mind is being awakened to a whole new level of awareness!
 

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You asked for another key term for hexagram 37. Family. Try thinking of it as referring to the "family" we house inside us - all our various personalities and how each has it's own point of view and agenda but how they must all ultimately serve our soul purpose. The Father or King represents this conscious purpose/intention. The Mother represents all the other various members of the "family" and their/our response to the king, our conscious intention.. To have an automatic unconscious positive response to our desires and to thus be able to create what ever our conscious mind dictates is indeed to be the "treasure of the house." [Wilhelm. ]
To apply this idea to your question I see the I Ching as saying with 37.5 that you have a clear intention to create a better life for yourself, but that your past experiences have caused you to doubt that is possible and so when you submit that idea to your unconscious - your "wife" - it doesn't immediately start making you aware of all the benefits in your current situation or alert you to opportunities - which is not surprising given you have had a life of many hardships and disappointments so all your various "children" in your house/body don't automatically believe this resolution is achievable. Instead you find your mind coming up with all sorts of sarcastic responses instead of offers of hope. You can see this 37.3 in operation when you demeaned Maslow's pyramid of needs calling it "Pretty" and dismissed him as someone you heard about in high school. This response is your wife and children "dallying and laughing" and completely undermining your king's desire to have a better life.

Perhaps the hexagram 27 is giving you the guidance you seek. It says the superior man must be very mindful of what his mouth takes in - food and perhaps other types of "nourishment" too, like ideas and music - and also to be mindful of the nourishment, the ideas you give to others, particularly your words. Thus it seems the first order of business to improve your life situation is to recognize how your own mocking words prevent you from making progress. In fact, why not look again at Maslow's pyramid of needs and see how this chart can be a source of nourishment for you. I don't know if they mentioned this to you when you were exposed to Maslow in high school, but Maslow's ideas were inspired by his study of the chakras. Although he used different words to be accepted by his peers, he was essentially explaining how the chakras work and how we cannot move up to a higher level of consciousness until the needs of the lower chakras are sufficiently satisfied and that then how once these lower chakra needs are satisfied our energy or awareness automatically rises to the next level without our having to do anything. So you can use this chart to help you elevate yourself by locating where you feel you are most often, where you're coming from, and then strengthen that level and don't even worry about the next ones up, you'll get there when the lower chakra is strong enough. For example if a person is having trouble at the ego level where their feeling their insights are going unappreciated and unrecognized - poor ego experience - they need to look at the chakra below and improve their social world. Like a person wont get a lot of ego strokes for being a good cook if all their friends and social groups are trying to lose weight. Likewise, you have had some very traumatic experiences at the security level so before you plunge into the world of social relationships you might benefit from considering what can be done to strengthen you at the lower levels - like improving your physical chakra by exercise and eating right. People who lift weights report along with becoming healthy, weight lifting also makes them feel feel confident and empowered.
 
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Let's not discount that the reading could be refering to actual family members.

Didn't a male relative just scold you recently? (lines 3 and 5 taken together reflect this.)

and Sitara, you have ignored questions from me (a forum moderator) directed to you. Is this a habit of yours?
If you need me to repeat it, I asked if this was the username that you have decided on. Forum rules allow one username per user. If you do not respond, one or more of your accounts may be deleted. This is posted here because you have not responded to multiple Private messages from Moderators.
 
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Rosada:
You said I demeaned Maslow? I said the IMAGE was pretty. How is that demeaning? She asked me if I had heard of Maslow & his theories. I replied that I had been exposed to them in high school as are most people. Personally, I never ask people if they have heard of Maslow, or Freud, or Jung or Nietzsche. I assume that most people have been exposed to a reasonable education. I certainly do not send out mnemonic diagrams depicting well known facts. In view of the situation, what better to be done than to compliment the image?

I find it tiresome that you personally attack me over something so minor and also so entirely ancillary to the topic at hand. I mean what do you care when I encountered Maslow? What’s it to you? I don’t see the purpose or benefit of these statements unless the intention is to hurt and demean.

I have had this type of encounter on this forum and think it’s very ugly and insulting to the YJ. Not to mention as waste of time and energy for all concerned.

Is there any possibility that I might have positive exchanges with you in the future? I wonder. I am not here to be hurt and demeaned. If our approaches clash, we COULD intentionally avoid each other and continue to benefit from the forum without evil or loss. I’m assuming the forum doesn’t revolve around any one person and many use it without trouble and conflict.
 
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Let's not discount that the reading could be refering to actual family members.

Didn't a male relative just scold you recently? (lines 3 and 5 taken together reflect this.)

and Sitara, you have ignored questions from me (a forum moderator) directed to you. Is this a habit of yours?
If you need me to repeat it, I asked if this was the username that you have decided on. Forum rules allow one username per user. If you do not respond, one or more of your accounts may be deleted. This is posted here because you have not responded to multiple Private messages from Moderators.
I don’t understand. Please use my name Sitara. I am trying to avoid conflict with strangers.
 

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Sitara, do you know to read your Private Messages?

After you log in, click on:
Community,
then scroll down and you should see
"private messages' or 'inbox'

Also, you can see on the top right after you log in a notification about new private messages.

You have some waiting from the site owner Hilary.
 

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A key element in your reading is wood. In 37 it is above, and is exhausted by the fire below. In 27, it is below, and breaks apart the earth above. But the earth is yang (mountain), denoting strength. Breaking it up requires strength, and so we can infer that despite your exhaustion you'll be up to the challenge of removing the earthly obstructions . Regarding the "family" meaning in 37, it should be considered only in the very broadest terms, as a societal (though not strictly material) thing. Your reading is about the very vagueness of the societal norms regarding this which it is your lot to overcome. Good luck.
 
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Moss Elk
I would have liked to use the website without having to jump through hurdles. But I am guessing that’s not possible. I am guessing you want me to voluntarily delete my profile and to withdraw from the website. Would that delete all my statements?
 

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No it wouldn't delete any of your posts.
Hurdles? There are no hurdles other than following the same rules that everyone else is bound to.

No one is telling you to delete your account. You are only being advised of the 'one username' per person rule.

If/When you read your private messages you will see some feedback from moderators for you. And yes, some of it is critical. One sign of maturity is being able to accept critical feedback from others, without getting defensive.
 
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Ok. « Sign of maturity ? » What could possess you to patronize me in this demeaning way? What is going on here? I am not your child or employee.
 

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Feel free to continue this discussion with the website owner.
 
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Thanks Ernobe

Ernobe:
I don’t know whether you’ll get this response : and I will shortly be deleting my profile and withdrawing from this site. So we may entirely miss each other. But I did want to express my appreciation of your abstracted approach to this reading. I have been trying to use the YJ on this level for sometime but I no longer have any of my books and research, it’s a little wearying.
I do feel the YJ is often communicating on very abstract levels, on an energy level, or on levels relating to principalities and spiritual or physical forces. Thus the Hexagrams and related text are just a starting point for deeper investigation. I wish you could have interpreted one of my earlier readings which asked: What is behind all this conflict and loss? Hexagram 56 unchanging was a conundrum but perhaps you could have shed some light on it. Thanks anyway,
Sitara
 

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Dear Sitara,
Your response to Diamanda's suggestions were so dismissive that I thought you were saying "It's a pretty diagram [but of no importance]" and "I was exposed to Maslow in high school [so I don't need to know anything more about his ideas]."
I misunderstood you and I apologize.
Rosada
 

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Dear Rosada, I don't think you misunderstood Sitara. I also immediately thought 'how very rude', but just didn't say anything, because: (see next paragraph)

Sitara, if you don't want negative attention, you should really be more polite. You're definitely NOT polite, even though you do it in a very sly passive aggressive way. Oh well whatever and who cares. The only reason I replied further to your rude post was because these threads may be of value to nice people in the future (I was personally never taught Maslow at school, and wish I had been!).

Happy new year Rosada, Moss Elk, Sitara, and everyone nevertheless! :hug:
 
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Diamonda
Please delete your post referring to me and quoting me. I am deleting my profile and this information is personal / so I don’t want any remainders left here. I have been abused by you and apparently that is the way things are on this website. A lot of insults, condescension and trouble. Calling me sly, etc. This is a clique that doesn’t want new members. Always kicking people when they are down. You know that patronizing mnemonic chart was insulting and condescending. You could have left it as that. But no. You and Rosada just had to jump on me - as you love to do on this website. But whatever. There are other more welcoming places. You win. I’m leaving the site do you can all feast on that until the next victim comes along. What goes around comes around.
 
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To those who replied to this thread:
I will be requesting it’s deletion as I am leaving this website. Please delete the contents of the messages posted to me.
 
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Before you send your next mnemonic chart ask the person if they hold a PhD and the topic of their dissertation. Might save some time.
 

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You and Rosada just had to jump on me - as you love to do on this website. But whatever. There are other more welcoming places. You win. I’m leaving the site so you can all feast on that until the next victim comes along.
Stop seeing enemies everywhere will help your life, believe me!
Happy new Year!!
 

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Before you send your next mnemonic chart ask the person if they hold a PhD and the topic of their dissertation. Might save some time.
Might be useful to some people who didn t know about the chart, ever thought about that? Replies are not just addressed to the querent!
 

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Public Service Announcement

Sitara had created a second username - Mookah. When I asked her which username she wanted to keep, she claimed to know nothing about Mookah. That was a bare-faced lie, and also revealed that her original intention in creating the second username was to deceive, so I have banned her from the forums permanently.

Closing this thread now. Happy New Year, everyone!
 
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