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Hello everyone,
I need your help getting some clarity on a decision that i need to make asap. Thank you for taking the time to help me!
In short: my partner and I relocated to a different country six months ago in search of work. During these six months we moved 5 times, staying with friends until we could get a place of our own. My partner finally found work in his field and for the past 2 months we have been searching for a place of our own. For some reason which is not clear to me, finding a place to live has been incredibly difficult; few places available, those that we did like got snatched up by others who could offer more money, etc. Finally, we get a phone call from an agency saying that a cottage which we liked was still available and the landlord would negotiate a price (incidentally, this was the first property we saw and immediately fell in love with it but we got the impression that the landlord was too intransigent and the agent refused to pass on our offer unless we gave a deposit).

For the past month we have been going back and forth, negotiating contracts, changing the move-in dates because of admin. hurdles etc. Finally, it seemed that we would be moving into our 'dream' house. Last night, I followed through on this stubborn intuition that I have had from the beginning that the house we were about to move in was in a flood risk area. I checked the internet and I was right. I spent the whole day today talking with government agencies that confirmed my intuition. When I asked the estate agent whether they knew about this, they said they had no idea and they are now trying to get a flood report on the house (this is a different agent from the original one that refused to pass on our offer, and who i genuinely think wants to make this work for us). In the meantime, thinking that we were about to move into our new house, i spent all my time and effort looking for furniture, contacting movers, turned down much needed work thinking that I would be busy with the move...I haven't given you all the details, but everything that could go wrong, pretty much went wrong.

So I turned to the I-ching and asked "What if we move into the house?" and the answer was Hexagram 6, Arguing (changing lines 2 and 6) turning into Hexagram 45, Gathering. Here are my changing lines:
Line 2
‘Cannot master this argument,
Return home, escape to your town’s people,
Three hundred households.
No blunder.’
Line 6
‘Maybe awarded a grand leather belt.
By the end of the day, stripped of it three times.’

At this point, I am really at a loss. I don't know whether I should give up for a while and go back home, whether we should let go of the house (and start all over again, only more exhausted this time around) or whether to treat this as the final obstacle on our way to making a home for ourselves, even for a short while. Both Hexagrams advice me to "see great people, those whose higher perspective enables them to see beyond the argument to a larger truth" which is what I feel i am doing by asking for your advice.

Thank you!!! Any advice/perspective would be helpful.
 

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So I turned to the I-ching and asked "What if we move into the house?" and the answer was Hexagram 6, Arguing (changing lines 2 and 6) turning into Hexagram 45, Gathering. Here are my changing lines:
Line 2
‘Cannot master this argument,
Return home, escape to your town’s people,
Three hundred households.
No blunder.’
Line 6
‘Maybe awarded a grand leather belt.
By the end of the day, stripped of it three times.’

At this point, I am really at a loss. I don't know whether I should give up for a while and go back home, whether we should let go of the house (and start all over again, only more exhausted this time around) or whether to treat this as the final obstacle on our way to making a home for ourselves, even for a short while. Both Hexagrams advice me to "see great people, those whose higher perspective enables them to see beyond the argument to a larger truth" which is what I feel i am doing by asking for your advice.

Thank you!!! Any advice/perspective would be helpful
Hex 6 can come up when one is arguing with how things are, with the reality of the situation. To me it looks like you need to gather yourself up (45) and get to safety in the form of going back to where you have support that you may need. 6.2 is pretty literal here...it actually says words to the effect of 'give up and go home'. 6.6 shows even if you win something you can't sustain it. I have known 6.2 to be a prediction of needing to get to a familiar supportive place...for reasons I didn't see at the time.

I am wondering if your difficulty in getting somewhere is a kind of sign to you, to urge you turn back to wherever home is.

Having said that your husband just got work and it's a pity to give everthing up. It may be you just need to back off moving for now and stay where you are.....OR it may be an indication to go back home.

Either way going ahead with this property doesn't even look feasible.....if you do get it it looks like more problems down the line. I don't know what country you are in but in UK no one in their right mind would rent or buy a house on a flood plain. The rain has been so heavy these last few years people have had to lose their homes and belongings over and over again. it's exhausting. Don't do it.

I don't generally like to give such direct 'advice' but here the answer just seems so definite. Also hexagram 45 suggests you need to gather yourselves up, be prepared, have your supports in place. To me it looks like a bit like going home....where you find support and can give it. We don't know what is around each corner. This looks to me like you are best off gathering with your clan, your people, not going it alone so to speak
 

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Hi Trojan,

Thank you so much for your insightful advice. I was thinking exactly the same things that you mentioned, but was not able to articulate them so lucidly to myself.

We are in the UK actually, and I understand what you say about floods, having lived here in the past. I received confirmation from our agent that the house we are thinking to move in never flooded because it's a bit more elevated that the rest in the area. With this update, I asked the Iching again, "what about moving into the house" and I got Hexagram 7 "The army" which advises
"Balancing the drive to ‘get it done’ with a measured, disciplined approach allows you to achieve your objective effectively and with less ‘collateral damage’: good fortune, without mistake". It also mentions "When there is cause, the ruler raises an army" which I take it to mean that you ask for help in dealing with a situation. I am taking precautions with the house, putting in clauses in the contract to protect us in case of flooding. My partner and I have been so exhausted with our efforts to settle in the UK, and the option of going back home was a last resort, as there are no prospects for us back home (home being austerity southern Europe).
I am not entirely sure of the significance of getting Hex. 7 which immediately follows Hexagram 6, but am I right to think that it means that there is movement towards some kind of resolution of the conflict in Hex. 6? There were no changing lines in my reading of Hex. 7.

Thank you again so much for taking the time to answer my question. Your interpretation has been food for thought.
 

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Hi Trojan,

Thank you so much for your insightful advice. I was thinking exactly the same things that you mentioned, but was not able to articulate them so lucidly to myself.

We are in the UK actually, and I understand what you say about floods, having lived here in the past. I received confirmation from our agent that the house we are thinking to move in never flooded because it's a bit more elevated that the rest in the area. With this update, I asked the Iching again, "what about moving into the house" and I got Hexagram 7 "The army" which advises
"Balancing the drive to ‘get it done’ with a measured, disciplined approach allows you to achieve your objective effectively and with less ‘collateral damage’: good fortune, without mistake". It also mentions "When there is cause, the ruler raises an army" which I take it to mean that you ask for help in dealing with a situation. I am taking precautions with the house, putting in clauses in the contract to protect us in case of flooding. My partner and I have been so exhausted with our efforts to settle in the UK, and the option of going back home was a last resort, as there are no prospects for us back home (home being austerity southern Europe).
I am not entirely sure of the significance of getting Hex. 7 which immediately follows Hexagram 6, but am I right to think that it means that there is movement towards some kind of resolution of the conflict in Hex. 6? There were no changing lines in my reading of Hex. 7.

Thank you again so much for taking the time to answer my question. Your interpretation has been food for thought.
 

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I asked the Iching again, "what about moving into the house" and I got Hexagram 7 "The army"
I find myself at sixes and sevens in trying to interpret your readings. Just prior to your getting hex 7 unchanging, you had received 6.2.6, which Trojan spoke about above, and I agree with her. But hex 7 unchanging seems to invite you to be brave and self-disciplined, think of your husband who has just landed a new job, and move into the house. I think hex 7 unchanging advises us to align ourselves with the needs of others around us. I would be interested in what other people have to say on these readings.
 

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Hi Genie, thank you for your input. I like what you say about being brave and self-disciplined, and supporting my husband is my priority at the moment. I'm also interested in what other people have to say. Thanx again!
 

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You asked the same question twice...and if you asked the same question again you'd get another answer, so which do you believe ? I would take the first answer as the answer. Hex 7 here may just be asking you to get organised.

Here is a whole thread on people's experiences of 7 unchanging

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?14491-Your-Experiences-With-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-7

It's difficult because it's one of those times the 'facts' as we normally see them don't quite support the 'don't move to that house ' answer you got.

Actually in your shoes I would still think very carefully. 6.2.6>45 was quite a strong answer. The agents want you to take the house so they would reassure you. Also how is it no one else wants it yet ?
 

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Hi again,

I did ask the same question, but slightly modified "what about moving into the house given the updated news?" (referring to the agent's reassurances).
I had more good news today from the insurers who informed me that they do not consider the house to be in a high risk zone and are happy to insure us. Following the advice of Hex. 7 I am taking all precautions to protect ourselves and our belongings. This has actually turned out into an opportunity to reread the contract and add clauses for our protection, which we wouldn't have otherwise done.
Thank you for the links Trojan. I will keep you updated with how things turn out.
 

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Beware of 6.6 from the first cast....even if you win something you lose it again.

That first reading is inexplicable unless it actually applies long term and I have known this to happen.

Things turn out well for a small part of an endeavour but the bigger picture doesn't work out.....but you live through it anyway.

Sometimes I've had casts saying something wasn't a good idea but could see no reason not to go ahead. I go ahead and a few months down the line I see an earlier reading come into play. Not disastrous , it's life. Living means not always making the best long term choices but life is for living and learning afterall.

How depressing this sounds....sorry. Well best not think about that reading then I suppose and just get on with it. But what do you do with 6.2.6>45 ? Put it in the bin...? I hold to what I said in my first post.
 

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Correct me if am I wrong, but isn't a reading based on the present moment? With the information I had at that moment, the reading was spot-on. What you say about long-term may well be true as we are possibly going to be there only for 9 months due to the nature of my partner's work (NHS junior doctor).
Life is about making choices, as you imply, and I guess the best we can hope for is to make the best possible choice within our limitations. Fail, try again, fail better as Beckett used to say. Not exactly optimistic, but there's a lot to be said about endurance as a form of strength.

Thank you so much for engaging with my question!
 

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Correct me if am I wrong, but isn't a reading based on the present moment? With the information I had at that moment, the reading was spot-on. What you say about long-term may well be true as we are possibly going to be there only for 9 months due to the nature of my partner's work (NHS junior doctor).
Life is about making choices, as you imply, and I guess the best we can hope for is to make the best possible choice within our limitations. Fail, try again, fail better as Beckett used to say. Not exactly optimistic, but there's a lot to be said about endurance as a form of strength.

Thank you so much for engaging with my question!
Well I don't think the answer would do a dramatic shift just because you had the information since either the house is or isn't okay regardless of what you know about it. So no I don't think that first answer would have just reflected what you consciously knew....I think it's telling you of the whole endeavour with the house and perhaps more than just the house. (Perhaps hex 7 was just about the house) Yes a reading is based on the present moment, in many shifting areas of life, like relationships etc but how good that house is is a relatively stable fact. The house didn't change because what you knew about it changed. I still think 6.2.6>45 is a pretty definite reading...and if you are only there 9 months it could indicate moving back home after that .....or what you think of as home, not necessarily your place of origin.

The underlined, that you wrote above, sounds very much like 6.6 doesn't it. I don't think either 6.2 or 6.6 promote endurance as the way to go....they say the opposite. But yes you can only do what seems best to you to do at this moment. As I said my first view of the reading still holds and I don't think it is going to change.....since to me it seemed a strong reading about going back to what 'home' is to you, at some point.

Recently I also had 6.6 over a smaller goal I was trying to reach but like you could see no harm in trying...or at least could see no alternative to trying. We naturally try to attain our goals, do the best we can, with the 'nothing ventured, nothing gained' mindset Maybe 6.6 is like 2 steps forward one step back and so on. We value trying and endurance....but 6.6 seems to say we are having rather a futile argument with reality. I have seen 6.2 be very literal.

I've nothing more to add here. Good Luck !
 

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Come to think of it it's not so much whether the house is okay or not in terms of flooding.....the issue is whether you can keep it ...or whether it gets snatched back from you at the last minute for some weird reason...or having got it keeping it.

Ooops I said I had nothing more to say...well that's typical :mmf:

Hmm well perhaps it's happier to focus on that 45. gathering yourself, gathering your weapons and resources against loss or harm.
 

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I see you're all set to go ahead with this house, so I'll put in my two cents. The line 6.6 says that if something is gained, it will be lost again. I have never known this to fail. Sometimes it takes a while to play out, as Trojan said, but if I got 6.6 there is no way I'd move into that house. Hex 7 could simply mean "get organized," as Trojan pointed out. I guess I have learned the hard way to trust the Oracle. The I Ching is really pointing the way for us, but sometimes we are not inclined to listen. So, I hope you stay in touch with this forum and let us know what happens.
 

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Thank you both for your input.

Trojan, you're right that "the house didn't change because what you knew about it changed" and that what "home" means is important.

I have had some intuitive breakthrough with 6.2.6 since yesterday. I think that the oracle could be alerting me to how i relate to the whole 'house move', that is, it is telling me something about an internal process (without excluding the possibility that it is also telling me something 'objective' about this move, for example that even we get it we might not be able to sustain it).

I can definitely relate to the oracle saying that:
"You argue for what you need – for sustenance, or to be believed, or simply for justice – for you know in your bones that things are not as they should be. Yet no matter how deep and true your convictions, you find yourself frustrated, and your sense of being in resonance and connected with the world is choked off."
This is a very accurate description of my mental and psychological state. I have been 'arguing' for sustenance and a place to live for quite some time now and the whole house move has intensified this arguing and as I result I have 'lost' myself (losing sleep, intense anxiety etc.)

6.2 tells me "stop arguing, you cannot win this argument, return home to your people" and Hex. 7 highlights this, telling me to gather myself and gather with my own people. I have been reaching out to friends yesterday and they have all been very supportive and sympathetic. Talking to them was soothing, comforting and grounding.

6.6 is more worrying and there is still the possibility that we might not move into the house. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out. But in terms of 6.6 pointing to not being able to sustain a "home", where home refers to a more subjective structure (the Self in Jung's terms), I can see how that is pertinent since I keep losing my centre with all the hurdles that keep appearing in our efforts to secure a house.

I didn't mention than right after I got Hex.6.2.6 changing into 45 I asked the opposite question: "What if we don't take the house" and got Hex. 29.4.5.6 to 64 which is rather worrying : "Repeating chasms" with line 6 being quite terrifying ‘Bound with good rope and cords. Shut away in a thorn thicket. For three years, gains nothing. Pitfall.’

For me, 29.4.5.6 is an accurate description of what I would feel like and what my circumstances would probably look like if we don't move into the house. I would probably have to go back home since there is nowhere else I could go. This would be hell as there are absolutely no prospects there which resonates with the oracle "These are pits, where you fall into the deep, dark waters, flowing on into the swirling unknowable dark. The chasms repeat...In these deep waters, there is nothing solid out there to hold on to – no external security, no way to orient yourself – and so you hold fast to your heart". My heart at the moment cannot take this, I don't have the energetic or psychic reserves for this right now!

Your thoughts would be much appreciated.
Thanx again
 

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6.2 tells me "stop arguing, you cannot win this argument, return home to your people" and Hex. 7 highlights this, telling me to gather myself and gather with my own people. I have been reaching out to friends yesterday and they have all been very supportive and sympathetic. Talking to them was soothing, comforting and grounding.
Yes you need your people and it's likely they need you too.


I didn't mention than right after I got Hex.6.2.6 changing into 45 I asked the opposite question: "What if we don't take the house" and got Hex. 29.4.5.6 to 64 which is rather worrying : "Repeating chasms" with line 6 being quite terrifying ‘Bound with good rope and cords. Shut away in a thorn thicket. For three years, gains nothing. Pitfall.’

For me, 29.4.5.6 is an accurate description of what I would feel like and what my circumstances would probably look like if we don't move into the house. I would probably have to go back home since there is nowhere else I could go. This would be hell as there are absolutely no prospects there which resonates with the oracle "These are pits, where you fall into the deep, dark waters, flowing on into the swirling unknowable dark. The chasms repeat...In these deep waters, there is nothing solid out there to hold on to – no external security, no way to orient yourself – and so you hold fast to your heart". My heart at the moment cannot take this, I don't have the energetic or psychic reserves for this right now!

First I want to say remember Yi uses such dramatic imagery we can get the idea that our lives will be sheer hell or perfect bliss....when mostly we muddle along with a bit of both and manage quite well in the end. I'm just saying don't let the images frighten you, you always have to scale down the violence of the image to the size of the question.

29.4.5.6 looks like a situation of so many unknowns it's pretty hard to know what to do ! Looking at the change patterns...your yang change pattern here is hex 12 and your yin pattern is 11. (the yang pattern is found by seeing what hex you get if all change lines are yang...and the yin pattern vice versa) So looks like you are coming at this through being blocked ....but flow through the situation by riding the changes bravely. You are right there looks nothing solid to hold onto at all....but there is some aid in 29.4, just enough help to get by and in 29.5 the danger seems to reach a limit. 29.6 IMO shows someone having to live with consequences they cannot avoid. I see it as a time one kind of waits suffering out. 64 shows nothing is in it's right place yet...there is still a way to go. As you said this house even if you have it you will need to move on from it in 9 months....because things are changing quite fast and you and you husband are it seems battling on.

Anyway the question was if you don't take the house....well it looks like floundering I guess.

For myself when I get answers that really don't agree with the evidence I let that evidence have it's say too...I mean if you have to move into the house then you have to. As you say there's a lot more behind these questions than just that house....there's the whole endeavour of you settling in this country etc etc

Personally I would not reject the house only because of an I Ching reading if it were a total necessity to take it. I mean we still have to take account of the facts in our lives....and that reading as I said may refer to the whole situation.


These are difficult times for you, and the readings don't make it easier ! The answers you have got make it really hard to give the reassurance I would really like to give. It's not that I see anything terrible happening...it's just I keep thinking you are needed back where 'home' is.....but you say that's an impossibility...Oh and it looks like you need to group with your people. I wonder if you can turn to people of your nationality in this country for more support. Friends...well you say you have stayed with friends but no longer can ?

Perhaps someone else might see other things in these readings ?
 

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29.4 signifies being sustained in danger and 29.5 says that the danger reaches its own level and that means it ends. In my experience, 29.6 often refers to our own attitude, the fact that our heads are filled with thoughts of danger. Maybe you have a lot of feelings about being "homeless." I am hoping that some third possibility opens up . . . that there is some other place that you can live for nine months. Wouldn't it be possible to rent a place for such a short period of time?
 

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The house in question is a rented house as far as I know.
 

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