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Hello. Although I'm not a newbie in studing the I Ching, I'm freshly registered here at Clarity. This is my first post and I wonder if you would help me with your insights.

My astrologist recently told me that one of my parents will be very ill this year and I think it is my mom. I asked: give me a picture on how is my mother's health behaving this year starting now. I got 49 : 1, 5 >> 62.

Does this reading seem to you as bad as it seem to me? Please don't be shy to be fully honest. Thanks.
 

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Doesn't look bad to me at all. The only thing that does look bad to me, is your astrologist. What kind of awful person would give you a prediction like that?
I think he sucks bad!
 

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But tell me: would you prefer your astrologist to silence something that could maybe open your eyes sooner and prevent something? Mine is an amazing one and this is what worries me so much. Look:

49, forces are in conflict / combat, times are changing, nuclear 44, inverse 50.

Line 1 - the yellow rawhide, the cow, this has always puzzled me, nerve wracking. Restraing. Seems ominous, definitely. See the fan yao: something seems imminent. Nothing smells positive here at all. Anyone sees differently?

Line 5 - doesn't it seem the above line grown, amplified, now evident? Fan yao = 55. This is a sofisticated line, but seems as direct as a slap in the face, doesn't it?

Am I tripping?

Would you guys help me elaborate it?

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But tell me: would you prefer your astrologist to silence something that could maybe open your eyes sooner and prevent something? Mine is an amazing one and this is what worries me so much. Look:

49, forces are in conflict / combat, times are changing, nuclear 44, inverse 50.

Line 1 - the yellow rawhide, the cow, this has always puzzled me, nerve wracking. Restraing. Seems ominous, definitely. See the fan yao: something seems imminent. Nothing smells positive here at all. Anyone sees differently?

Line 5 - doesn't it seem the above line grown, amplified, now evident? Fan yao = 55. This is a sofisticated line, but seems as direct as a slap in the face, doesn't it?

Am I tripping?

Would you guys help me elaborate it?

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er I need more help with understanding your interpretation as I can't make any sense of it I'm afraid. How is it you would see 49.5 as a 'slap in the face'. Can you explain more your interpretation ?

Interesting that you use the word 'tripping' in this context...what is it you mean to express by it. I mean I know what it means in English but I thought it may have another meaning in Macapa ?
 
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49.1
Wrapped in the hide of a yellow cow.

Not an ominous line. It's saying take precautions. Like wrap the baby up in a snug blanket before going outside.

49.5
A tiger's brilliant stripes.

Positive changes coming from within.
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Rather than seeing something negative here I would read these lines as suggesting that with a bit of care and precaution your mother's health will either be just fine or greatly improve.

62. Attention to Details also suggests the importance of her taking care of herself, but again it appears common sense is all that is needed.

Best wishes and welcome!
Rosada
 

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er I need more help with understanding your interpretation as I can't make any sense of it I'm afraid. How is it you would see 49.5 as a 'slap in the face'. Can you explain more your interpretation ?

Interesting that you use the word 'tripping' in this context...what is it you mean to express by it. I mean I know what it means in English but I thought it may have another meaning in Macapa ?
Trojan this is how I see 49:5 -- the text says "a mature human being's tiger transformation". I see her health changing drastically based on the fan yao (the weak 55:5) and on the related 62 >> small things may be done; great things should not be done. I see majority of weak lines and this doesn't seem good.

In our language, when somebody is "tripping" it means that he/she is imagining things that don't exist, or seeing significates in wrong places. Or something like that.

I would like to know if I'm reading in the right way or if I'm "tripping"... :bag:
 

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Trojan this is how I see 49:5 -- the text says "a mature human being's tiger transformation". I see her health changing drastically based on the fan yao (the weak 55:5) and on the related 62 >> small things may be done; great things should not be done. I see majority of weak lines and this doesn't seem good.

In our language, when somebody is "tripping" it means that he/she is imagining things that don't exist, or seeing significates in wrong places. Or something like that.

I would like to know if I'm reading in the right way or if I'm "tripping"... :bag:
:confused: you think 55.5 means her health will change drastically ? I don't understand that ? 55.5 is 'blessings and fame draw near' in Wilhelm. Are you able to explain why you would think 55.5 meant you mothers health will change drastically ? I'm just interested as I never heard such an interpretation before.

I am truly puzzled by your interpretations as for example when you say you see a 'majority of weak lines' I'm not sure where you see them ? How does 62, which you quote as saying small things only can be done translate into your mothers health drastically changing :confused:

If you do not feel inclined to explain further don't worry I will simply regard it as an unresolvable mystery :cool:
 
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My astrologist recently told me that one of my parents will be very ill this year and I think it is my mom. I asked: give me a picture on how is my mother's health behaving this year starting now. I got 49 : 1, 5 >> 62.
49.1.5 The Revolution of line 49 talks about inevitable, radical change. In the terminology of astrology the concept of revolution is about the orbits of the planets around the sun. So the message talks about the march of time. Illness, and other big changes in our lives of these kinds are certainly going to happen at some time in our lives.
Line 1 - Bound with Yellow Oxhide - some things never change, such as your love for your mother and the ties that bind you to each other. Not even death could break this tie. Focus on the unchanging love between you and your mother and try to put your concerns aside until real problems actually appear.
Line 5 - Yet everyone must adapt to inevitable ups and downs of life (with the help of the oracle). Just remember that if problems with illness should arise you and your mother will be able to deal with it with the help of many loving people.
Hex 62 Try to limit your worries about this as much as possible. Your astrologer has given you only one interpretation of the chart's message to you. I would suggest that you might get a second opinion from another astrologer?
 

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49.1
Wrapped in the hide of a yellow cow.

Not an ominous line. It's saying take precautions. Like wrap the baby up in a snug blanket before going outside.

49.5
A tiger's brilliant stripes.

Positive changes coming from within.
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Rather than seeing something negative here I would read these lines as suggesting that with a bit of care and precaution your mother's health will either be just fine or greatly improve.

62. Attention to Details also suggests the importance of her taking care of herself, but again it appears common sense is all that is needed.

Best wishes and welcome!
Rosada

Your interpretation of 49.1 suits like a glove to my soul at this moment. Tks!
As to 49.5, :blush:, I think I misinterpreted. Your view is also comforting. Think it's 62 that scares me. This hexagram has this capacity of scaring me. Maybe I have to study it more deeply :duh: Everytime I see it it annoys me.

You are very kind Rosada. Thank you very much :hug:
 

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:confused: you think 55.5 means her health will change drastically ? I don't understand that ? 55.5 is 'blessings and fame draw near' in Wilhelm. Are you able to explain why you would think 55.5 meant you mothers health will change drastically ? I'm just interested as I never heard such an interpretation before.

I am truly puzzled by your interpretations as for example when you say you see a 'majority of weak lines' I'm not sure where you see them ? How does 62, which you quote as saying small things only can be done translate into your mothers health drastically changing :confused:

If you do not feel inclined to explain further don't worry I will simply regard it as an unresolvable mystery :cool:

No problem Trojan, I'm more than happy to indicate all trippings and this will hopefully help me improve this difficult mission.

I reached this conclusion combining 49 with the abundance of 55 but stopped there. My mistake :duh: was overlook the positive aspect indicated in line 5 of 55.

Well, majority of weak lines I see in hex. 62. There are 4. Wilhelm says "...weak lines preponderate...If a man occupies a position of authority for which he is by nature really inadequate, extraordinary prudence is necessary".

Thanks Trojan.





49.1.5 The Revolution of line 49 talks about inevitable, radical change. In the terminology of astrology the concept of revolution is about the orbits of the planets around the sun. So the message talks about the march of time. Illness, and other big changes in our lives of these kinds are certainly going to happen at some time in our lives.
Line 1 - Bound with Yellow Oxhide - some things never change, such as your love for your mother and the ties that bind you to each other. Not even death could break this tie. Focus on the unchanging love between you and your mother and try to put your concerns aside until real problems actually appear.
Line 5 - Yet everyone must adapt to inevitable ups and downs of life (with the help of the oracle). Just remember that if problems with illness should arise you and your mother will be able to deal with it with the help of many loving people.
Hex 62 Try to limit your worries about this as much as possible. Your astrologer has given you only one interpretation of the chart's message to you. I would suggest that you might get a second opinion from another astrologer?
Very interesting view danadanadana!! I'll take that into account, certainly. Thanks a lot.
 
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i think i-ching is telling you to fire your astrologist
 

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Would you guys help me elaborate it?
Just to give you something to think about, Hexagram 49 is the hexagram of the skin. Line one suggests jaundice and is in the position of the feet. Line 5 suggests sudden movement like the spring of a cat (a fall or slip would be such a movement) and is at the position of upper torso (heart, lungs, shoulders). The upper trigram represents the mouth and fluids, and the lower the eye and heat (temperature). 'Tripping' has been oddly emphasized in this thread, so my wild guess is that you mom may be liable to a fall. If you are worried, you might keep an eye on your mom's complexion and do safety things like putting non-slip patches in the tub and shower and under small rugs. If she's sixty-five or over, she would benefit from simple exercises to improve the sense of balance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/health/08brod.html
Preserving a Fundamental Sense: Balance

I do a heel-and-toe walking exercise daily by walking the lines on the kitchen linoleum.
 
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Just to give you something to think about, Hexagram 49 is the hexagram of the skin. Line one suggests jaundice and is in the position of the feet. Line 5 suggests sudden movement like the spring of a cat (a fall or slip would be such a movement) and is at the position of upper torso (heart, lungs, shoulders). The upper trigram represents the mouth and fluids, and the lower the eye and heat (temperature). 'Tripping' has been oddly emphasized in this thread, so my wild guess is that you mom may be liable to a fall. If you are worried, you might keep an eye on your mom's complexion and do safety things like putting non-slip patches in the tub and shower and under small rugs. If she's sixty-five or over, she would benefit from simple exercises to improve the sense of balance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/health/08brod.html
Preserving a Fundamental Sense: Balance

I do a heel-and-toe walking exercise daily by walking the lines on the kitchen linoleum.

Hi Pocossin! I'm glad you jumped in. Well let's see. Line 1, I'm not sure ...jaundice, skin, feet... but line 5 lights a lamp, like we say here. She's been coughing non stop and the doctor asked for exams and the first ones did not indicate well. We still do not have repli of the more specific ones. I'm very afraid. We are very close and good friends, we live far from home, we only have each other. She's not even 60 yet.

The term "tripping" as used here is something I invented and I think it's some kind of idiosyncrasy, I mean some term that makes sense in a community but not in others. Now I fear it's not a good thing in your language :footinmouth:. I loved the article you sent and will surely have eyes opened. I'll use it for me too :) as i'm the one who's always falling like a ripe fruit from the tree. :blush:. Incredible.

Thank you very much Pocossing.
 

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i think i-ching is telling you to fire your astrologist

Know what? I'm starting to think my astrologist is not that good, although most she says is really right.

There is something she said this year that really let me sad (besides the thing she said about one of my parents). She said that this year I'm having from Heavens / from the Creator the LAST chance / opportunity to be happy, to make things right and have results, crop. :confused:

Have any of you ever heard something this ominous from your astrologist? Maybe I should I open another thread on this...
 

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Know what? I'm starting to think my astrologist is not that good, although most she says is really right.

There is something she said this year that really let me sad (besides the thing she said about one of my parents). She said that this year I'm having from Heavens / from the Creator the LAST chance / opportunity to be happy, to make things right and have results, crop. :confused:

Have any of you ever heard something this ominous from your astrologist? Maybe I should I open another thread on this...
No, never heard of a good astrologist that gives you these kind of predictions. I still stand behind my first reply. Your astrologist stinks!
 

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There are many ways to interpret astrology charts, so I would certainly look for second, third, even fourth opinions on your chart. Astrology should bring you helpful insight to your life path, not more worries!
 

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Hi Pocossin! I'm glad you jumped in. Well let's see. Line 1, I'm not sure ...jaundice, skin, feet... but line 5 lights a lamp, like we say here. She's been coughing non stop and the doctor asked for exams and the first ones did not indicate well. We still do not have repli of the more specific ones. I'm very afraid. We are very close and good friends, we live far from home, we only have each other. She's not even 60 yet.
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We received some more exam results this early afternoon and they are not good. Her lungs are really bad :(

I tossed the coins for further information about mom's health and cure. 59: 1, 6 changing to 60. In principle it doesn't seem bad because of the idea of scattering, dispersing, even refreshing, re-evaluating, maybe a growth of spirit is nice.

But, analyzing it further, other questions arise and the junction of these lines indicate some duplicities. I'll try to explain.

Line 1 talks about inviting someone special (the strong horse) who'll bring the solution. But this helper does not have enough strength. And this line is weak when it should be strong...:confused: OTOH it could be (a simplist conclusion of me?) that the Yi is saying that the doctors (the strong horse) are going to find the solution.

59: 6 - The subject manages to keep something bad apart. That's excelent, but again, do you think it´s too simplist and am I interpreting it too poorly? OTOH this line may show something related to dammed emotions, like line 1. It's yang when should be yin. It leads to the scaring 29:6... Would it be related to bad habits, like smoking in mom's case?

I dont think I understand Yi's reply to my question. The best I can see here is -Your mom is getting what she's looked for.

Would you guys give me this additional hand here?
 

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No, never heard of a good astrologist that gives you these kind of predictions. I still stand behind my first reply. Your astrologist stinks!
There are many ways to interpret astrology charts, so I would certainly look for second, third, even fourth opinions on your chart. Astrology should bring you helpful insight to your life path, not more worries!

I certainly have a renewed view now thanks to you help.
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We received some more exam results this early afternoon and they are not good. Her lungs are really bad :(

I tossed the coins for further information about mom's health and cure. 59: 1, 6 changing to 60. In principle it doesn't seem bad because of the idea of scattering, dispersing, even refreshing, re-evaluating, maybe a growth of spirit is nice.

But, analyzing it further, other questions arise and the junction of these lines indicate some duplicities. I'll try to explain.

Line 1 talks about inviting someone special (the strong horse) who'll bring the solution. But this helper does not have enough strength. And this line is weak when it should be strong...:confused: OTOH it could be (a simplist conclusion of me?) that the Yi is saying that the doctors (the strong horse) are going to find the solution.

59: 6 - The subject manages to keep something bad apart. That's excelent, but again, do you think it´s too simplist and am I interpreting it too poorly? OTOH this line may show something related to dammed emotions, like line 1. It's yang when should be yin. It leads to the scaring 29:6... Would it be related to bad habits, like smoking in mom's case?

I dont think I understand Yi's reply to my question. The best I can see here is -Your mom is getting what she's looked for.

Would you guys give me this additional hand here?

Hello. Do you have any opinion on Hex. 59 lines 1 and 6 changing to 60?
 

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My astrologist recently told me that one of my parents will be very ill this year and I think it is my mom. I asked: give me a picture on how is my mother's health behaving this year starting now. I got 49 : 1, 5 >> 62.

Does this reading seem to you as bad as it seem to me? Please don't be shy to be fully honest. Thanks.
We received some more exam results this early afternoon and they are not good. Her lungs are really bad :(

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Am confused re the astology because in your first post you weren't totally sure which parent would be ill, your mum or your dad. Then you agreed this astrologer was maybe not so good....but now you say your mum is already very ill and her lungs are 'really bad'


So would you now say your astrologer was right afterall ? Do you think your astrologer picked up on the fact you were already worried about your mothers health because she was already ill ?
 

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Am confused re the astology because in your first post you weren't totally sure which parent would be ill, your mum or your dad. Then you agreed this astrologer was maybe not so good....but now you say your mum is already very ill and her lungs are 'really bad'

So would you now say your astrologer was right afterall ? Do you think your astrologer picked up on the fact you were already worried about your mothers health because she was already ill ?
The truth is that they both were not in best shape, but when I firstly asked the Yi and posted my question I had no idea who would be really ill like the astrology said and I was trying to find out. My mother was waiting for exam results since last week (the astrological reading was months ago) due to her cough and these came in yesterday p.m. with bad the news ref. her lungs. I ended up agreeing that my astrologist may not be as good as I thought because of the way she tells forecoming things, but she always said right facts, like I said.

Now I'm asking for help with 59: 1, 6 >> 60. What do you think?
 

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We received some more exam results this early afternoon and they are not good. Her lungs are really bad :(

I tossed the coins for further information about mom's health and cure. 59: 1, 6 changing to 60. In principle it doesn't seem bad because of the idea of scattering, dispersing, even refreshing, re-evaluating, maybe a growth of spirit is nice.

But, analyzing it further, other questions arise and the junction of these lines indicate some duplicities. I'll try to explain.

Line 1 talks about inviting someone special (the strong horse) who'll bring the solution. But this helper does not have enough strength. And this line is weak when it should be strong...:confused: OTOH it could be (a simplist conclusion of me?) that the Yi is saying that the doctors (the strong horse) are going to find the solution.

59: 6 - The subject manages to keep something bad apart. That's excelent, but again, do you think it´s too simplist and am I interpreting it too poorly? OTOH this line may show something related to dammed emotions, like line 1. It's yang when should be yin. It leads to the scaring 29:6... Would it be related to bad habits, like smoking in mom's case?

I dont think I understand Yi's reply to my question. The best I can see here is -Your mom is getting what she's looked for.

Would you guys give me this additional hand here?
Afraid I wouldn't dare even venture an interpretation with what sounds like a serious health issue like this The people you really need to speak to now are the Drs aren't they so you can find out what is really wrong and what you can do to help.

Once you have a confirmed diagnosis then perhaps you could ask Yi about possible courses of treatement
etc though its always good to stay close to the facts. No point in scaring yourself with negative predictions and no point consoling yourself with comforting ones...we don't know and FWIW neither does your astrologer.

Astrologers can see very general trends, they do not see any exact precise manifestations of planetary progressions and transits...at least not in Western Astrology. I think Eastern Astrology tends to be more precise but i don't know about that


All i do know is by telling you your mother will be ill your astrologer was breaking the ethical guidelines for astrologers...by needlessly frightening you


actually if anything the reading bears out what i said...bringing things back to the limits of here and now (hex 60)
 
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I have been hesitant to say anything because neither the situation nor the casting are optimistic for your mother's health. The lower trigram of 59 is Kan, implying trouble. The upper is Xun, associated with Wind and breathing. Lungs are vital organs. If your mother has advanced lung disease, recovery is unlikely. I expect you will have the opportunity to care for and comfort her, the Dui of hexagram 60.

Tom
 
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I have been hesitant to say anything because neither the situation nor the casting are optimistic for your mother's health. The lower trigram of 59 is Kan, implying trouble. The upper is Xun, associated with Wind and breathing. Lungs are vital ogans. If your mother has advanced lung disease, recovery is unlikely. I expect you will have the opportunity to care for and comfort her, the Dui of hexagram 60.

Tom
Tom, thank you so much for replying. What you say makes a lot of sense.
I just did not understand when you said ".... the Dui of hexagram 60." What Dui in this context means?
Tks.
 

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The lower trigram of hexagram 60 is Dui. In the context of health care, Dui would be to give comfort to the patient. Dui is soft and pleasant. When someone is sick we offer them soft pillows, flowers, special things to eat, and especially a comforting social presence -- acts of friendship.
 

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Hi Maffi,
Before looking at the IC hexagrams as a result of your question I would like to ask you on which factors the astrologer makes his predictions: transits, progressions? And does he see that prediction in your chart or in your mothers chart? I'm interested in Astrology also, so it would be helpful if you give me more specific astrology factors of this case.

Best,
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The lower trigram of hexagram 60 is Dui. In the context of health care, Dui would be to give comfort to the patient. Dui is soft and pleasant. When someone is sick we offer them soft pillows, flowers, special things to eat, and especially a comforting social presence -- acts of friendship.
It's fantastic. I'll certainly have a different view of the trigrams from now on. Thank you very much Tom.
I don't want to sound lazy since perhaps your knowledge was gathered with hard studies, but I can't help asking. When you say that in the context of health care Dui would be to give comfort to the patient, do you have any special literature to indicate?
:hug:
 

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Hi Maffi,
Before looking at the IC hexagrams as a result of your question I would like to ask you on which factors the astrologer makes his predictions: transits, progressions? And does he see that prediction in your chart or in your mothers chart? I'm interested in Astrology also, so it would be helpful if you give me more specific astrology factors of this case.

Best,
Ile
Ile, I'm so glad you r interested in my "case" from the astrologic perspective.
Well, I can tell you that this is a map we do every year and at least here we call solar return map. The predictions were done in my chart. Her exact words were: "Serious disease of one of your parents and separation from your life; perhaps death".
The other thing she said that let me down was "At your age life gives you the last opportunity for a good work or life position. Grasp it, otherwise..."

Facts? Do you mean these Ile? My sign is Taurus. Ascendant Taurus. Acc. to her this year is Sign and Ascendant in Libra, Solar return in House 12, and Mercury is retrograde, but only until May 15, 2010. Sorry, I'm checking the notes, perhaps some word is wrong and this is all I could write down.
Thank you so much Ile.
:bows:
 

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Ile, I'm so glad you r interested in my "case" from the astrologic perspective.
Well, I can tell you that this is a map we do every year and at least here we call solar return map. The predictions were done in my chart. Her exact words were: "Serious disease of one of your parents and separation from your life; perhaps death".
The other thing she said that let me down was "At your age life gives you the last opportunity for a good work or life position. Grasp it, otherwise..."

Facts? Do you mean these Ile? My sign is Taurus. Ascendant Taurus. Acc. to her this year is Sign and Ascendant in Libra, Solar return in House 12, and Mercury is retrograde, but only until May 15, 2010. Sorry, I'm checking the notes, perhaps some word is wrong and this is all I could write down.
Thank you so much Ile.
:bows:

She would never have a basis for saying this. To be looking to either parent she must either be looking at planetary progressions or tranists to the moon in your chart for your mother, or sun father...or she is looking at planetary transits etc to the 'angles' of your chart that amongst other things indicate parents. Some astrologers say MC, top of chart =mother some say IC, bottom of chart =mother...but either way both these angles indicate a whole load of other things apart from your actual parents. The moon and IC can simply indicate your home life, your feelings of security your habits. If Pluto for example comes along to aspect the moon there will be disruption in these...with one vaguely possible manifestation of that being the death/illness of a parent...amongst many other possibilities. Same if Uranus, a different energy, a hard transit like a square aspect may mean some disruption of all that means home and family. But heck this can mean you just move house not that your parent will die !


Why are you even listening to this person. They did not get this information from astrology..and even if they got it intuitively they were very unprofessional in giving you such negative 'predictions'. But the main thing to bear in mind is they did not get these predictions from western astrology and certainly not from a solar return chart which is a pretty vague and flimsy thing to get predictions from

Sack your astologer like someone else said.
 
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Oh well realised sounded bossy...of course its up to you if you want to live by this persons predictions. I'm just saying as someone who knows something about astrology I don't think she would have had any basis in astrology for making such a prediction at all and if she claims she did have I would like to know what it was ?

What particular planetary configuration made her say what she said. I really can't think of one where any astrologer could say that with any certainty. For professional astrologers there is a code of ethics anyway and she broke them by saying these things.
 

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+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).

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