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Any help with these reading would be most appreciated. I'm not sure how much of this encounter was me just feeling super insecure.. and how much was the other persons energies. Basically I hope to find connections I can trust, be able to be honest in and be respected and valued.

Please comment on my energy in our meeting today. As in, was I grounded and in harmony with source or not: 35.4-23
Lots of readings about proceeding with 'questionable behaviour' and 'devious means'. Seems totally inappropriate to how I am, modest and very straight up and honest! Also I am the one 'giving' in this situation. So I just don't get this!

How does he perceive me? 21.2-27
Wing - Punishment and retribution come swiftly and thoroughly to the person who continues in wrong behavior. OMG!!

Where is this connection leading? 61.2.5.6-24

.6 Expressing emotion is not the same as expressing your truth. Give the situation time so that you can continue to explore what it is teaching you about authentic feeling and expression. ??

Please comment on this persons energy and likelihood of being respectful, kind and supportive towards me.
13.3-25

Wing - Wing: There is a possibility that those involved in the situation have selfish interests and divergent goals. This is unfortunate, because the ensuing mistrust of each for the other will grind events to a halt.

Was a particular comment meant to be a dig at me?
9.2.5-22
 
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Hi Lodestar,

Please comment on my energy in our meeting today. As in, was I grounded and in harmony with source or not: 35.4-23
One of the two of you is a devious greedy rat, and since it's not you, it was the guy.
Your own energy, when dealing with underhanded people, doesn't really matter - because it's not personal: such people are harmful by their nature, to anyone.

How does he perceive me? 21.2-27
Did you get 21.2 > 38, or 41.2 > 27...?

Where is this connection leading? 61.2.5.6-24
Strange answer. It leads to a situation where you resonate with someone, with who you'll have honest dealings... some issues will appear and will be solved. 24 is very pleasant. I wonder if your connection with this guy will lead to meeting a worthwhile person - because I'd find it hard to believe that the I Ching first calls him a rat, then tells you you'll resonate with him!

Please comment on this persons energy and likelihood of being respectful, kind and supportive towards me.
13.3-25

Nope, agree with the quote you wrote. Hiding weapons... He doesn't sound like a straightforward person.

Was a particular comment meant to be a dig at me?
9.2.5-22

Someone (a woman maybe) draws someone else into a rich area, with beauty and good manners.
Sorry no idea what to make of this one.
 

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Thanks so much Diamanda. Much appreciated.

That should be 21.2-38

Emmm.. Well maybe he is a rat! I did not see that coming at all.. My God will I ever stop being so naive!! All this assuming the best of people, is actually a really dangerous way to live life, it's not a stance of 'awareness' and means I'm often caught by surprise..

I wanted to work with him as he's always 'friendly' and that feels supportive...

.. but alone in his company I felt unsettled. I felt a competiveness and suspicion towards me, as if I myself were a rat tho he would have nothing to base that on.

In fact I've started to realise that underhand people or bullies, tend to treat me as if I myself am underhand or aggressive. I find it incredibly disconcerting, but I guess it's their way of disowning themselves, or not understanding the lack of their devious qualities is natural to someone else. Also I've noticed in the more extreme cases they use this projection to justify being nasty towards others who usually don't deserve it at all..
 
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So if he perceives you like 21.2-38, then this probably means he thinks you're a very strict person. Who bites, and who is right to do so - however, 38, it leads to alienation. So maybe the suspicion you felt towards you was not as if you were the rat, but maybe because you'd be too strict towards a rat. As you said, you prefer honest dealings, and people who prefer other types of dealings are not comfortable with honesty.

In fact I've started to realise that underhand people or bullies, tend to treat me as I am underhand or aggressive.
That's very interesting. Only now that you point this out I remember how such a scenario started at my old workplace. The bullies started treating me as if I was aggressive. I later found out that they had been spreading rumours that I had a very bad short temper. In the end their dirty war against me succeeded - I was made redundant.

This is such a complicated matter... it's very hard to understand that type of person and the strange power games they're playing. I do wonder if they do understand that there are non-devious people or not. I've seen many occasions that they understand that very well, and take full advantage of people's kindness and honesty.
 

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Yes I only noticed this dynamic myself in recent years.. One particularly viscious person was ironically put in charge of anti-bullying at work, of course she used that position to bully. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing! She really treated people so badly, but I could see her mind ticking over and she justified it all in her own mind, by seeing herself as a victim, which she was very very far from being in the position she occupied.

There's also the paedophile tactic.. how they use positions to hide where you least expect them i.e. 'defending children's welfare' as in working in homes for kids etc..

One of a bullies best tricks is to call you aggressive and unreasonable, if you try protect or defend yourself from them! Sorry to hear of your experience..

Yes that totally strikes a chord. I've often had issues at work with being conscientious, when other staff are nicking things etc.. I'm not a stick in the mud, but I have principles, and people then don't like that and see you as a threat if you don't join in. Similarly highly competitive people don't tend to like me, because I'm not really interested in competition, I'm more a peace & love type..

Well though I found the encounter very upsetting, hopefully I'll remember to breath and pay attention to who I'm dealing with in future encounters and not make assumptions that people have the same good intentions towards me as I do to them. That's my lesson here. Time to learn this, time to become more conscious ;)
 

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was I grounded and in harmony with source or not: 35.4-23
Yi says no, you want to be, but not really doing it.
One small distraction, slight obstacle and your balance/connection is upset.
Imho if you were grounded you wouldn't feel super insecure as you said.
Try better next time :)

How does he perceive me? 21.2-38
Easy to work with, like biting through the best, softest, part.
Or an easy prey I don't know.

Where is this connection leading? 61.2.5.6-24
Hm, Yi says if you are sincere(.5) the right people will find you(.2), even if you are hidden somewhere.
No need to force the connection (.6).
With 24 - friends come and go - I think the connection is temporary. Return to yourself eventually (61).

this persons energy and likelihood of being respectful, kind ... 13.3-25
He's innocent (25). The arms are lying on the ground. He's just observing.

Was a particular comment meant to be a dig at me? 9.2.5-22
No. (9, no rain).
Don't pay attention to that, it's only words (22). Some illusion, decal on the surface.
Maybe you are too suspicious of people?

Again stick to yourself more 9.2 and just be sincere 9.5.
 

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Thankyou Tim! (Ashteroid?)
Should I avoid the Wings interpretations? I tend to look up the deKorne website along with LiSe and a few other...guess it's something I'd need to put serious study into
I really struggle with iChing esp at times of high emotion, so that is when I usually use this great forum.

Note to self - instead of analysing other people's intentions towards me - focusing on my own levels of protection and groundedness would be of more use to me. Yes absolutely was not grounded, I was actually quite 'aware' but more in a sort of fear way. I think this will be really useful if instead of trying to guess what threat level another person could be to me, I focus on my own energies and groundedness.
 

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Yes that is me, good old ash :)

Should I avoid the Wings interpretations?
As Hilary and Trojina recommend, try not to delve too deep into someone's commentary.
e.g. 21.2 says 'no error', why be so negative about this line.

I'm not an expert either, but I try to read the lines and not deviate from the 'original text' too much.
And of course being in highly emotional state doesn't help, even outside Yi. The judgement is impaired by your mood in that moment. I find that next morning I feel completely different about particular matter, or at least distanced from it, more objective.
 

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