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calumet

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I've had a few bad dreams about Baldy, most of them lately, but the one that woke me this morning was one of my all-time most horrible dreams. Baldy was running a shady industrial enterprise in a shady industrial area. His shop wasn't on a street but on a muddy alley lined with other small industrial operations of questionable use and repute. Everything in this alley was rusty, dingy, and muddy, and the alley itself was disused. Its atmosphere was that of a place you'd go mainly when you needed to dispose of a body that had suddenly and inconveniently appeared in, say, your parlor, for reasons that outside parties might question.

I had come to this place with Baldy, and though I stood in the mud outside his shop he had opened the doors and shutters so I could see what he was doing inside. First he pulled a lever, opening a chute that dumped gallons and gallons of oil into a vat. I continued to stand and watch, thinking he was going to boil me in the oil, but he seemed to have forgotten I was there. Instead turned his attention to two dogs. He brought out a white Afghan hound that obediently lay down in an open doorway, again in my full view. He then brought out a pit bull, and the Afghan lay passively while the pit bull first stripped off its skin and then systematically stripped away and ate every muscle from its bones and every one of its organs until there was nothing left of the Afghan but a skeleton. The Afghan had never made a move to defend itself. I left the alleyway then. Baldy didn't seem to notice or care, so intent was he on going about his day's work of destroying. On the way out of the alley I saw 7 or 8 high heeled shoes lying in mud puddles, and I knew that these had belonged to women he'd let the pit bull eat. While I was walking away, I saw a station wagon full of young, slightly anxious and slightly eager women being brought to him. I woke up then.

There's at least one quick and obvious interpretation of this dream, although a good analyst could do a lot more with it than I can. Nor do I have the words to convey how gut-stoppingly horrible the dream was. When I woke up, I wasn't anxious, crying, or otherwise agitated--just sick from horror: The pit bull devouring the passive Afghan in a systematic and workmanlike way; the shoes of other victims strewn about in mud puddles; and the car full of fresh victims being brought to him. I've not been at my jauntiest and most to-hell-with-him the past two or three days, and this dream left me in a real funk.

Today, then, was one of those rare days that I cast 2 hexes.

Q: What am I to think of how I'm feeling?
A: 48.5-->46.

Good. Further encouragement, and confirmation that I've done the right thing.

Q: What am I to make of my ambivalance and--let's be honest here--my unhappiness about his apparent ability to move on?
A: 60.0.

With apologies to Kubler-Ross, grief doesn't run in a straight line. It spirals upward. The diameter of the spiral shrinks a little with each revolution, but the line repeatedly passes through the same zones. So I guess have set proper limitations and need to maintain them. (No worries on that account, at least not with Baldy; but who can say what rare treasure I'll turn up next?) Now, says the Yi, I must limit my expectations for an instant feel-good cure. Other thoughts? Besides wishing me a good night's sleep.
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Calumet,

Thank you for sharing this dream here.

I really hope that you got a good night's sleep.

I do a lot of dream interpretation and I keep dream journals for myself.

Although you had a horrific nightmare, I think that there's a wealth of material in this dream that offers you a chance to work on yourself at a very deep level.

Your creative mind has given you an image that will stay with you forever.

A pit bull devours a passive Afghan in a systematic and workmanlike way.

Is it possible that both the pit bull terrier and the Afghan hound represent two sides of you?

What a graphic image!

What do you think the pit bull and the Afghan might mean?

Could the connection with Afghanistan represent your spiritual side?

Could the pit bull represent anger?

There is so much to work with in this dream but I think that's enough for now.

It's great that you wrote out this dream. If you don't keep a dream notebook, would you consider starting one?

These are just my ideas but I hope that some of it is useful to you.

Very best wishes,

Mick
 

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I'll pass on the dream, cuz I really don't know if it's about Baldy or if it's about you. Chances are it's about you, but this is an I Ching forum, not a dream forum...

"Q: What am I to think of how I'm feeling?
A: 48.5-->46.

Good. Further encouragement, and confirmation that I've done the right thing."

I don't think this is a confirmation of anything you've done. I think it's a plain statement of fact about how you're feeling: your feelings of disgust are a genuine welling up of emotion appropriate to the situation. You're dealing with the depth in you right now. No matter how disgusting it gets, honor it by sticking with it and giving it your attention.

"Q: What am I to make of my ambivalance and--let's be honest here--my unhappiness about his apparent ability to move on?
A: 60.0."

Limit your ambivalence and your unhappiness about him. Limit it every time it comes up. I mean, you can't stop your feelings about him from coming up, but when they do, you can limit them, work at letting go of them, discouraging them, turning your attention to something else, something good.
 
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Sounds like you're letting him eat you alive, like the sluts you imagine he's consumed before.

48.5 is exactly opposite of this muddy and horrific dream. Clear and drinkable.

60 limit the access to these dark ideas.
 

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Martin, yes, I keep a journal--not just for dreams but for anything that comes to mind, including comments about the day's hex that didn't make it into my Yi notebook. You could be right about the spiritual--a white Afghan is about as angelic-looking a dog as I can imagine, though of course all dogs are just a couple of meals away from being wolves. Still, I have to hope I'm not complicating things by dragging in the spiritual realm. Have to think about that one.

I'd agree this dream is likely about me and not him. Eating me alive, indeed. Happily, once I'd seen enough, I left. It is interesting that, while I had only a few middling-bad dreams about him over the course of 4 years, I am having a cascade of them now, including this one that is still giving me the willies 24 hours later. So either the dreams are about me (emotions welling up--drink deeply but don't wallow), or in the past I didn't dare dream these things (or didn't dare remember such dreams).

Thanks for the comments and help.
 

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Oh, alright.

It's gone to the dogs. The ugly vicious is eating the beautiful graceful alive. All this in a dismal environment, and more of you lined up and eager to take on the same punishment. That's the depressing bit - the girls outside all eager for more of the same.

I stand by something I alluded to weeks ago: this guy is occupying way more of your mind than is healthy.

And I stand by something I said earlier in this thread: Hex 48.5 is about your accessing usable depth. This dream is usable depth. Get into it. Taste it.

If there's one rule with dreams, it's this: the only way beyond what the the dream is showing you is THROUGH the dream.
 

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In the spirit of hexagram 60, defining things and creating a language to talk about them...

Calumet, please give me some advice on choosing a breed of dog to take into my home. What are Afghan hounds like? And what are pit bulls like?

(That thought that all dogs are just a couple of meals away from wolves is interesting, too. Could you weave that in? Are all dogs dangerous?)
 

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Dobro, you see what a temptress I am? I didn't even have to ask. ;) I promise to stop thinking about pink elephants just as soon as I can. Seriously--if I could do a brain dump and replace all this crap instantly, I would. But it's a slow process. I do know how to limit and sometimes stops unwanted thoughts, but when they force themselves on you in dreams there's not a lot you can do about it. And I assure you that except for these past few days, my head's been a lot clearer and cleaner than in the recent past.

Hilary, I don't know that much about dogs. I've lived with a few, though--never an Afghan, though. Lovely as they are, I hear they are not among the sharpest knives in the canine drawer. Briefly, here are my experiences. Brittany spaniels are sweet tempered, sublimely beautiful when running, and dumb as rocks. Nobody gets a dog for intellectual companionship, but I prefer a more intelligent animal. I had a pair of miniature Schnauzers. Smart, michievous little things, they were. I called them the Gang of Two. They'd go out into the garden in the fall and eat applies that had fallen to the ground and fermented, and then they'd come back into the house drunk as lords.

My favorite is the last kind of dog I had, a standard poodle. Do not confuse this dog with those little yappy fluff balls that also are called poodles. Standard poodles were bred as hunters, and they are DAWGS. (You have to be from certain parts of the U.S. truly to understand this word, but there it is.) In his prime, mine could and sometimes did snatch birds out of the air.

There is some subjective commentary, perhaps to supplement the reading you should do if you're considering bringing a dog into your home. Yes, I do think that dogs are potentially dangerous. They have big teeth. Of course, I think that any animal, not excepting our beloved homo sapiens, is potentially dangerous. Apologies to lovers of the good in Man, and to lovers of toy poodles, and to lovers of the American Pit Bull Terrier for having cast it as the villain in my dream.
 

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Ah - sorry. While owning a dog one day is in fact one of my greatest ambitions (we just have to be able to afford a house first...), what I was getting at there was a way of analysing your dream. Which I think you've done perfectly well despite my having involuntarily led you up the garden path. If the first thought you have about Afghans when wide awake is 'dumb', then perhaps your dream Afghan might represent your inner half-wit. Obedient, passive, willing to 'lie down' under whatever treatment is meted out.

And so on. You could do something similar for your dream pit-bull. I could throw an interpretation into the mix if you'd like, though I don't want to put a damper on your own thoughts.
 

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"I've not been at my jauntiest and most to-hell-with-him the past two or three days, and this dream left me in a real funk."

I'm no psychotherapist, but perhaps part of the reason for all the disturbing imagery in your dream is your mind forcing you to come to grips with how uncomfortable you feel about your situation. At some level, you're probably not happy with being alone, plus he's out there doing whatever he feels like and it bothers you. Maybe it's kind of like your emotions are saying - "Hey, intellect, wake up! I feel VULNERABLE and that's NOT OKAY!" Forcing you to get in touch with feelings that frankly you'd rather not have. Something like that.

If this rings true for you, I'd say it's useful to keep in mind that, at some level, he probably has similar feelings, too. Him and millions of other people in similar situations, actually. So, you're not alone.

Just my 2 cents...

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Ah, Hilary, I suspected as much. I stand by my comments about the canine breeds I know, however, and hope that your dreams of owning a dog come true. A good-tempered, well-behaved dog is one of life's pleasures. I agree with your interpretation, by the way; though I'd like to think of myself as the embodiment of grace, beauty, and spirituality, your comment is spot on. Inner half-wit! Exactly. I intensely dislike dragging this inner half-wit through life, and fervently hope to rid myself of at least the worst parts of it. Too bad about the pit bull. I'd welcome further ideas and interpretations. Meanwhile, I think I've got the gist of what the Yi's saying.

If you've been following this soap opera, you may remember that several days ago, in the course of my normal social routine and while I was minding my own business, Baldy saw me and made quite a point of tempting me into interacting with him. He's done this before, but previously I'd shrugged it off, thinking, It's just your imagination, that's not really what he's doing. I should know that talking myself into thinking he's not doing what he plainly IS doing is not the best way to cope with him--or anyone else, for that matter.

Although I ignored him the other night, his behavior did affect me. I began having unpleasant dreams, and for the first time in weeks, I found myself missing him--not much, and certainly not enough to act on it, but distinctly missing him. Why? And why now? I've been asking myself about this over the past few days. The message I'm hearing from the Yi is that these dreams are deeply important. I am to pay attention to them and pay attention to how they make me feel, and I am to understand what that means. Among other things, the dreams are a warning: STAY AWAY.

Jeff, what you say certainly rings true. I'm only too aware of his feelings. He almost surely is not. He makes a practice of ignoring them by dumping them onto the woman in his life, who of course exists to tend and absorb them. Noisome as the task is, giving it up is very hell. But I'm doing it and I'm doing it out of his sight. Looks like he'll have to find someone else to take over the job.
 

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I think I'll throw my idea into the interpretation-pot -

Of course, the poor Afghan is not just half-witted. It is also beautiful, innocent, graceful and trusting. (And I don't know if this is part of your image of the breed in general, but I believe they're very loyal to one person.) You "fervently hope to rid yourself of at least the worst parts of it..." Under Baldy's supervision, in the world you've followed him into, the (inner) pitbull is ridding you of every last part of it, horribly 'systematically'.

You may no longer be letting him 'eat you alive', but something's surely still eating you.

Usual proviso when offering an interpretation of someone else's dream: your dream, not mine, so what it says to me is really beside the point, unless it says the same to you.
 

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I thought I'd thrown in my thoughts, too, to mull about in the mix. Pit bulls are wonderful dogs. They are intelligent, loyal, thoughtful dogs. Their wonderful qualities can be turned to terrible uses.

So I'm wondering if your inner pit bull could use some gentle, loving attention, to make him loyal to you instead of to Baldy.
 

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Ah, Hilary, that's very good. The wonderful thing about metaphors/symbols/whatever-you-call-them is that they can carry such a huge amount of freight so lightly, so compactly. And when you take delivery, why, just add water and let it spread out as much as you dare. ALL the interpretations I've read in this thread are correct. And yes of course something's eating me. Baldy's just a hyena. (Oh dear. Now I've alienated everyone in the Society for the Advancement and Appreciation of Parahyaena Brunnea.)
 

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"I promise to stop thinking about pink elephants just as soon as I can. Seriously--if I could do a brain dump and replace all this crap instantly, I would. But it's a slow process. I do know how to limit and sometimes stops unwanted thoughts, but when they force themselves on you in dreams there's not a lot you can do about it."

I know. The way beyond it is through it. And it's interesting that your mind is producing this dream NOW, instead of three months ago. It's an issue you have to work through now. I think Hilary's on a good track with her thoughts about 'eating alive' and what the two dogs represent as qualities. And dogs are loyal. You didn't dream about cats or snakes. You dreamt of dogs. Loyalty's an issue here, and pugnacious loyalty is eating beautiful loyalty alive, and what's worse, the new talent is lined up outside eager for more of the same.

How about a life change? How about bundling the daughter in a van and the both of you heading for Cancun? If you're not that sensible (ha!), how about moving to Canada? Or Seattle? Or Boston? Something new to focus on...

But in the meantime, this dream is your well, yeah. The images that come up are disturbing, but they're lifewater if you know how to 'taste' them.
 
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Cal, I think you've seen the whole gizmo now, how it works. No one ever told us it was this bad, did they.
 
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This dream is so incredible, and you seem to have it's meaning for you. He is showing you (and he is not even aware that you are watching) what sordidness he is up to. the vat of oil in a back alley is a chilling image (because you suspect he will burn you alive!).

The afghan is the gentle, not-so-smart you who will be eaten alive by this pitbull were you to go back. Also, an afghan is a comforter/throw (blanket), something you snuggle under and get comfortable. Your feelings of missing him could be a "throw-back" to when you were with him, comforted by having a mate to share with, but the results of even contemplating missing him are revealed to you. He'll strip you clean.

Most tellingly, you WALK AWAY, and you realize that even though there may be young, eager "victims" to take your place, their fate is the same as that poor afghan's. The best thing you can do is get out of that back alley, that place in the back of your mind where you start to think you miss him.
Stay on the straight and narrow, dont wander down that dark place!
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Q: So, what do you think of these dreams and all the advice and interpretive help I've been given today?
A: 40.0

Pretty much says it all.

Prynne: No, nobody told us. I don't think they knew. A lot of what I'm figuring out is either built on or comes directly from research and studies that have been done in the last 20 or 30 years. No doubt there's much to be added and changed, but the people doing this work are on the right track, for sure, and I think I am too.

Micheline: Yep, it was a wowser of a dream, and one I don't expect ever to forget. Not only in the dream but also in reality he doesn't realize how much of his sordid behavior I see. In the dream I was silent, but I remember having the dream-thought, "I've seen enough." And that's when I started walking. Yes, the pit bull would have quite a feast if I went back. Nostalgia aside, I'm very unlikely to do so. If I had any doubts before, I have them no longer: I am afraid of the man. But Hilary's point is well-taken. I am perfectly capable of finishing the job myself. The real danger now is the inner pit bull.

Dobro: What's most fascinating to me is that I didn't have these dreams three YEARS ago, never mind three months ago. Where have I been all this time? And speaking of the daughter, I know I'm getting better because her shrink's cut her back to biweekly sessions. Her behavior was frighteningly dangerous, and it did not develop in a vacuum. Cancun does sound nice ...
 

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