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bruce_g said:Animals appear very child-like. What they don’t do is wind up their brains over explanations for “magical” experiences, such as synchronistic events, with complex, quaternions, octonions and such. They take it all in stride, as nature’s way. We can learn a lot from a dog, cat, deer, coyote, bird, horse or housefly.
ewald said:In other words Chris/Lightofreason says:
The people who consult the I Ching (and that is most of the people who visit this website), are:
ewald said:4.6Attacking ignorance.
It is a disadvantage to turn into an enemy:
One better guards against enemies.
nicky_p said:OK, so this is a subject that get's me notoriously hot under the collor and laughed at but to hell with it
Seems the only stupidity - read arrogance - is man's/woman's assumption that we have the mandate on 'intellegence'.
denis_m said:The I CHING was composed as a divination manual. Therefore, it makes sense to read it using a divinitory approach.
jesed said:I had found that expecting to have a mature and real dialogue with Cris is primitive, naïve, child-like, local, thinking trying to immediately interpret something it knows nothing about AS IF it does.
getojack said:I know I'm just adding fuel to the fire here, but to paraphrase Lao Tzu and a cartoon chihuahua,
"STEEMPY, YOU EEDIOT!
Do you think you can change the world?
I doubt whether it's even possible."
IOW, be happy with what you've got.
Simple. Easy. ;-)
I have used divination lots of times to clarify my situation of a particular moment. This has allowed me to assess how accurate Yijing divination is in describing situations. After all, I could immediately check if it fitted or not.lightofreason said:The issue here is on people who use the divination focus when dealing with the IC; a focus on prediction or moral learning etc etc is fine, but tossing coins or yarrow sticks to elicit some response from some 'being' is child-like thinking and not helpful in the long run.
Unfortunately there is nothing clear about your system and your writings. You make excessive use of jargon, make simple things complicated, and write in a very verbose unfocussed way. My guess is that even most of the people who have bothered to dig into your haystacks to find some needles, are not able to make use of your system. Simply because you present it in an excessively theoretical, very impractical, unclear way.lightofreason said:The Emotional IC has clearly shown [....]
jte said:"The above covers the divination elements of the I Ching..."
Actually, if you read it, it does not. Huxley makes no mention of divination in his quote. You've inferred what you wanted to see in what he actually wrote. I'm not familiar enough with Huxley's writings to say whether he would have indeed grouped divination with these other practices, perhaps someone can enlighten us?
jesed said:You miss my point Cris... I wasn't talk about your material (I had suggested some people to use your material, as anybody can see reading the forum), I was talking about you.
You confirmed my point with your answer,
autumn said:I haven't read all of your material, (there's so much of it, and it looks quite fascinating), but I believe I get the basic premise of what you're saying from my memories of Neuropsychology and Philosophy.
Here's the question I've always had with this perspective; (which is, essentially, if I am correct in understanding you), that dervied meaning from the random generation of a binary sequence which generates a specific "answer", and that answer being but one very particular aspect of a man-made, self-referencing, mathematical/textual system, is the result of inherent properties of the system that reflect neurological structuring and their subsequent cognitive processes.
autumn said:I haven't read everything on your site.
again trying too hard! Simpler. REALLY simple stuff that comes out of 'mindless' dynamics, no need for 'originating' consciousness etc in that we cover all neuron-dependent life forms. What IS essential is understanding the properties of differentiating/integrating and what can come out of those properties when they are mixed through self-referencing the differentiate/integrate dichotomy.autumn said:In that case what you're really saying is that "meaning" is not derived, but contrived, and a function of the physically-rooted conscious mind interacting with the unconscious mind. A person who believes in magic, or anything resembling the God in the Machine, would say that meaning is dervied, and exists in divination because all energy is inter-connected, and that the delusion is that our brains are separate and the sole creators of personal reality.
autumn said:The difference between a neurologically-based analysis and a magical analysis would be, then, disagreement about the existence of meaning outside of one's own brain.
autumn said:Or, perhaps that statement should be qualified. Certainly society could not exist if there were not "shared" meanings outside of the individual brain.
autumn said:If I am person "A", and I am asking about my relationship with persons "B" and "C", could we not see a statistical difference in the quality of the hexagrams received (if the magic hypothesis is correct), or not, (if the meaning-resides-soley-within-the-brain hypothesis is correct)?
dobro said:So, it's not just predictions that your IC isn't best suited to, but *any* specialized use or question. That's exactly how I view the utility of the traditional IC as well. My understanding is that it works best holistically and in the present - a snapshot of the present moment, if you like. How are you with that idea?
autumn said:I'm disappointed that I've failed to articulate your fundamental premise and how it deviates from a spiritual perspective. Perhaps you could do so for me in 2-3 sentences? Sort of a- thesis, point A, point B, conclusion format that demonstrates the bare logic.
autumn said:Why such the aversion to Jesus?
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
He called a little child and had him stand among them. And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."
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