Oh man, this can't be good...(45.6 to 12)

[bookofchanges]

So I asked what my unconscious has in store for me as
far as future romantic relationships and it gave me 45.6 to 12.

The sequence, to me, sounds like it's laying out the pattern.
Hexagram 45 is meeting, but changing line 6 is exclamations,
tears, and sniveling, which seems pretty direct.
Hexagram 12 is basically telling me this will probably remain
this way.

Am I reading this right?

 

[gene]

Changes

You are taking the reading too literally, which is a mistake I see constantly in the "shared readings" section. Also, you are reading only the part that scares you. The key in the I Ching is to take the advice that is offered. Here it says that "your good intentions are misunderstood." So the key here is to understand why you are being misunderstood. That may take asking for feedback, showing your pain in some occasions, and expressing yourself in ways that will open up dialog as to why. Then it says "...is after all achieved."

It is best not to think of the I Ching as a divination issue in which the outcome cannot be changed, but as a friend that gives advice that can help us overcome the more painful aspects of life, or at least maintain emotional balance through them. There is usually a way to "fix" things.

Gene

 

[bookofchanges]

Thanks for the reply, Gene.
I did some meditation on Hex 45.6. Sacrifice or a gift given in a ceremony stuck out in my mind,
which I am taking as the attempt to connect, to risk, to sacrifice, to put myself out there.
I read Deng Ming-Dao's interpretation of line 6, which he writes:

"At the end of this hexagram, all is disintegrating. We exclaim, we weep and snivel.
The problems are not our fault, but there is nevertheless no chance of success."
Bit confusing as my question involved my unconscious, perhaps a way to interpret
"not our fault" is that the problem is not consciously known, so our conscious intentions
are underminded by an unconscious influence?

I have looked at my past history and there is a pattern of misunderstanding in my
relationships, but why does he say the cause is not of our own doing? Which contradicts
what you suggested in questioning ourselves as to why we are being misunderstood?

Hexagram 12, I really can't see how this is at all positive: Splitting apart, no, not, negativity,
evil, bad. "Diviners sigh, sitting inside their tents, and will not speak. Nothing to do but fold one's hand to the approaching storms."

Sorry, it's a bit hard not to project negativity upon the imagery in its poetry...whatever hidden
or subtle meaning it may have has flown above my head. As you can see, I'm a newb,
I only have 19 posts on this thing, so it's a bit challenging to see the subtler meanings, not saying that this is not changeable, but the current pattern looks pretty grim.

 

[gene]

Changes

I do not have any indication from the W/B version of the I Ching that it is of our own fault. However, be that as it may, there is still no contradiction in what I am saying. If there are misunderstandings, we need to find out why. Whether it is our fault or outside of us. That can only come with experience. By the way, believe me, I know about misunderstandings. I have had them all my life. Partly that is just because people see things in different ways. We also hear what people say but often do not hear their reason for saying it. That comes with maturity, but even then the possibilities for misunderstanding are endless. It is just part of life. And yes, our conscious intentions are very often being undermined by subconscious influence.

And again, I think you are taking things too literally. Hexagram twelve indicates a time of stagnation, but it does not always have to be that way. Also, this is more part of your present mindset than it is an indicator of long term hopeless fate.

Let go. Things look bad now, but the key is to stay positive. It is essential in life to accept what happens. Allow it, and realize that nothing is ultimately bad. It only seems that way at the time.

Gene

 

[bradford]

Your question makes it sound like your unconscious is your leader.
Could you alter that by being conscious?

 

[dobro p]

Bingo. Let your unconscious take care of itself. Ask what your conscious love life will be.

 

[meng]

Even better than asking what will be is to ask, how to "make it so" (said in best Jon Luke Picard voice)

Even though each one of us commenting on unconscious/conscious with a different vision and understanding of what it does or doesn't mean. A great semantics loop, but doesn't seem to go very far.

Assuming if this Collective Unconscious (48) could be tapped into, individualized, like "Little Me"; it would be similar to The Dao and my or your dao. The Unconscious is conscious. So whether you asked your question of your Unconscious, or of God, or angels, or The Sage, or your deceased black and white cat, you will get an answer worthy of your contemplation.

About your actual Q&A, I see it as the Yi (what I regard as consciousness) nudging you and and saying, Nothing is going to happen if you sit on your ass and weep and worry about it. Or, you might attract an enabler. So it leaves your answer up to you. That may be at least part of what Brad and Dobro were implying. You're the one who can tap into the Collective Unconscious (for those who are cool with that concept, and I know some are not) and individualize it in yourself, much of which happens beneath the surface of our consciousness, which is what the hubbub is about.

It is interesting, how the emphasis has been on the conscious, beyond the semantics. The Collective Unconscious subject would need its own thread, and I'm too tired of debating it to care, lol. These days I ride gentler waves.

 

[bamboo]

It isn't wrong (or faulted) to weep and snivel and express sorrow when the way forward has seemed to be at a standstill, or just not happening.

I distrust questions about "the future" because it isn't laid out in stone, and the Yi is a guage of the present energies. The response seems to echo your present state of mind... lamenting, perhaps, the absence of desired love life after disappointment. And it is okay to do that. Don't make your sorrow an omen of your future, let it soften and humble you instead.

Sometimes feeling the feeling you don't want to feel - despair, hopelessness, failure - lays the field bare. You stop trying to make something happen and let your heart break open. it is the nature of the open empty Field to generate new and unsuspected beginnings

 

[bookofchanges]

Thank you everyone for your perspectives. My initial question was mainly to
ask the Yi for a still frame of the current tendency or pattern of my unconscious.
The reason my focus is on the unconscious is it is hub and basis of our perspectives
and attitudes. That is what using the Yi is all about isn't it? A mirror we can project
upon so it can reflect our internal processes (and wisdom) back to us that usually remain hidden from conscious view? I always thought this is why Jung respected this system and had reverence for it. I agree with Meng that the question of what should be done about it is probably something I need to ask, since nothing is static as Gene has mentioned, but the illusion of the mind is that it is static. It's hard
when you're in it to see that it's not really the case or an omen. I think Bamboo said something extremely wise, which is,

"You stop trying to make something happen and let your heart break open. it is the nature of the open empty Field to generate new and unsuspected beginnings"

This seems to echo with a quote from Nisargadatta Maharaj, when he said,

"A quiet mind is all you need. All else will happen rightly,
once your mind is quiet. As the sun on rising makes the world
active, so does self-awareness affect changes in the mind.
In the light of calm and steady self-awareness, inner
energies wake up and work miracles without any effort on your part."

Thanks again for your input, everyone.

 

[mryou1]

45.6 > 12

Clustering | Obstruction
Obstruction: Not yet peace above | is permitting long living?

Big picture: The Yijing's telling you, through hex 45, "this isn't about your unconscious affecting your relationships! It's about your relationships affecting your unconscious!", and here, you're obviously facing obstruction.

Similar to what meng said, basically the question to ask yourself is: Is my lack of success in relationships causing my lack of success in relationships? And how do I get out of this loop?

Maybe ask a follow-up question or questions to the I Ching addressing this, the latter especially "How do I get out of the loop of unsuccessful relationships?"

Also, @meng, as somewhat of a Trekkie I feel obligated to point out that it's spelled Jean-Luc Picard, Captain Jean-Luc Picard, USS Enterprise

 

[meng]

Also, @meng, as somewhat of a Trekkie I feel obligated to point out that it's spelled Jean-Luc Picard, Captain Jean-Luc Picard, USS Enterprise

Duly noted.