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I think there could be no mention of "on horseback" in the Changes, because the Changes were written at least some 3 or 4 hundred years before the Chinese learned how to ride horses, so this is probably some kind of error in translationWhat is the significance of being "on horseback" in the IC? particularly in hex 3 (where one is "on horseback but standing still?)
Hi, Elias:What is the significance of being "on horseback" in the IC? particularly in hex 3 (where one is "on horseback but standing still?)
"Walking" seems to be the preferred mode of travel.
"In a carriage" seems to be discouraged as it indicates pride or ostentation.
"On horseback" Was this a privilege reserved for the military (as it was in Europe during the middle ages?) or is there another cultural understanding?
Modern translation of the first two characters call for "riding" whereas Wilhelm, for example, treats it as "carriage" and "horse"[parting].
Elias, are you translating the characters?
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(2) Hillel.bowdlerize : 1836, from Thomas Bowdler (1754-1825), English editor who in 1818 published a notorious expurgated Shakespeare, in which, according to his frontispiece, "nothing is added to the original text; but those words and expressions omitted which cannot with propriety be read aloud in a family."
Wouldn't you say the use of horses in Yi is largely anthropomorphic?Horses appear at 2.0, 3.2,4,6, 22.4, 26.3, 35.0, 36.2, 38.1, 59.1 & 61.4.
In half of these the character is trying to be impressive, and in particular, trying to woo a mate by being impressive, usually without luck.
They don't need to be translated as ridden. It is enough in 3 to have a matched team of four with matching accessories. Only in 22.4 does it need to have wings.
In other lines the horse is a vital part of the technology, and in two provides heroic help.
Horses were ridden back then, even back in the Shang, but not very widely. They were mostly used for wagons and chariots.
More like symbolic. Of a strength that we anthropos have some access to.Wouldn't you say the use of horses in Yi is largely anthropomorphic?
I should have used the word wealth in the context of being impressive. The ladies seem to fall for that a lot, but this doesn't figure in 35, which is more about openness and liberty.Also, wasn't there an element of prestige or implied power in owning horses? From LiSe's 35: "The marquis of Kang benefits of a gift of horses to breed a multitude, mating them three times a day."
I see a young prince here being groomed to take over a kingdom, not being spoiled at all, but really put through his paces, as though he will be carrying the whole family legacy, the subject of 26.One I always found interesting was in 26.3. Brad, you translate: "A fine horse that gives chase" which is entirely more proactive than Wilhelm's "A good horse that follows others." LiSe has "Fine horses for pursuit." The assertive or passive role of this horse seems important, if we're to derive a meaning from line 3. Perhaps this too speaks to the utilitarian role of horses, before there were Rams 'n Rangers 'n Rovers.
Horses were largely associated with wedding and marriage.Young Henan man rides horse and uses bridal sedan chair to marry an Associated Press female journalist
Interesting. Sounds like a horse and horseman eminently fit for duty. Still has a utilitarian feel to me.I see a young prince here being groomed to take over a kingdom, not being spoiled at all, but really put through his paces, as though he will be carrying the whole family legacy, the subject of 26.
That's a perennial argument -- is it more valid to search for some "authentic" original or try to update texts with idiomatic interpretations to make them accessible? What interests me about IC is that it has been syncretic pretty much from the start, and subject to constant updating, revision, and reinterpretation of foundational texts. To my mind serious inquiry needs to be looking back and forward at the same time, and take claims of "pure authenticity" and "pure intuition" with equal grains of salt.Though with liberty to depart from ones heritage, as is more prevalent today, do those old images still work in a practical way? If so, what adjustment needs to be made to make it relate-able? Or should it remain obscure and hidden away to preserve the authenticity, so that maybe a lucky or chosen few will find it? But I suppose that's an artist's question to answer, where the unexpected still blows holes in old ideas.
Ch.As one of the symbols in the Chinese zodiac, the horse in Chinese culture is equated with Gemini, and represents practicality, LOVE, endurance, devotion and stability.
From: Avia's page
Ancient chinese horses were small and paunchy, to ride them was maybe not enough majestic for kings or nobles, something like to ride a donkey. Not strange the lack of horseback riding in art or monuments that were made for glory and reputation of de VIP.Two of the oldest images of humans riding horses, dated about 2100-1700 BC, were discovered in the ruins of a Sumerian city (top) and in the cemetery of a fortified Central Asian oasis of the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC) (bottom). The seal scenes, one of which was the personal seal of the Animal Disburser for the Sumerian King Shu-Sin, seem to draw on a similar iconography, which might have spread with the first wave of horses to enter the ancient Near East, happening at the time the seals were carved.
From: Horses and Humans in Antiquity
at: http://users.hartwick.edu/anthonyd/harnessing horsepower.html
Of course, that sort of customs often comes from long ago. And the context in which horses appear in the Changes allow us to be suspicious, don't you believe?During the spring and summer seasons, the young people are in the habit of racing along the river...
They all start off to an appointed goal, the maids paddling down the stream, and the youths galloping along the bank.
If the maids win, they select a partner for the night from amongst the youths, each in the order of her arrival at the winning post. Similarily, if the youths win, they choose their companion from the maids in turn...
If a girl becomes pregnant, she point out the author and he marries her.
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Even Han horsemen didn´t use stirrups, see this mounting like an english lady:The stirrup was apparently invented in China in the first few centuries A.D., but there is some evidence that stirrups may have been used in Assyria as early as 850 B.C. and was spread throughout Eurasia by the great horsemen of the central Asia steppes,
From: History of chinese inventions
Hi, Tuck:... The girl is chaste and not pregnant; she gets pregnant after ten years...
Ch.Xanthus is the immortal horse that Achilles rode into battle. Achilles had been warned by his mother Thetis, a goddess of the sea, that if he went to battle he would perish. Naturally, Achilles didn't listen to his Mother. As fate would have it, Xanthus was given the power of speech. Xanthus warned Achilles that he was about to die in the Trojan War. This time Achilles listened. So in a sense, Xanthus is the first true talking horse. Sometimes it takes a talking horse to get people to listen.
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