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Hello,

I've been a lurker in these forums for at least 15 years ever since I learned about the I-Ching and sought to understand it a little bit better. For many years, it helped me get a better understanding on how the readings can be read and interpreted through the lenses of other people's experience. While I do have the habit of consulting it from time to time and take the time to meditate on the lines, hexagrams and their relationships, having a good enough grasp on their meaning, I do confess to find it harder when I consult the I-Ching during times of intense worry or crisis. During these times, only after the worst has passed is when I'm able to return to those readings and have a clearer grasp on their meaning and their relationship with the context I was consulting from. In hindsight (and with a lot of help from other posters within this community), I have to say that all readings were spot on, even during times when the lines told me to just try and relax, wait, be prudent, as though I was hearing a friendly advice not to get worked up by small things; even when I couldn't really fathom those issues, doubts and projects that were failing to actually be small or unimportant.

Anyway, not to be overly long in my introduction, I guess the times when I most consulted the I-Ching were periods of intense transition, heartbreak and doubt. While not as stark as other moments in my life, career-wise or relationship-wise, I found myself turning back to the I-Ching to find the best way to handle my current crossroad. And, although I do have a better grasp on the meaning of the lines, the hexagrams and their change patterns, I find myself insecure as to their meaning and to which actions take (or not take). Over the past 10 days, I have been engaging in what seems to be kind of a conversation and, try as I might, I still feel that some answers are either elusive in their actual meaning, or that I'm just projecting my desires into the answers and not grasping their actual meaning, therefore not really listening to their advice.

It began on December 29th, after a girlfriend broke up with me. We'd been together for 3 years, although she moved out after a promotion at work in 2022, we were trying to maintain a long distance relationship until I got a job there or she could try a transfer back. During the 1 and a half years we were apart, we visited each other often to try and shorten the distance between us.(context: I live in Brazil, and she moved to Brasília, 1,000 km from where I live). I currently work in a community center as a mental health professional and have a small practice, which took me several years to build a stable roster of clients. When she got promoted, we had a long talk about what to do, and decided we would try the long distance relationship until either of us got a new job (me) or managed to be transferred back (her); we also talked about that I'd search for a good job, which could take time, but it was a necessity since the cost of living in that hellhole meant that the cost of living there would dwarf my current earnings by quite a bit.

Being the nation's capital and due to my career as a mental health professional, we decided that the best way would be to try and get work on the public sector, which is no mean feat. In Brazil, by law (and necessity), to get into the public sector you must take a very hard test for whatever position opens up; during this period, there were two such opportunities, which I didn't pass (there were like at least 5,000 people applying for 6 opens spots at one time, and the tests are incredibly hard, consisting in 80 questions, an essay, and then other phases that last for months). I also tried openings on the private sector, but was informed by several people that without an 'in', it's nearly impossible to even get considered for any given position. Still, I tried, but this period of time took it's toll and I felt her becoming more and more distant, and I felt like resentment towards me grew. We ended up breaking up after a series of discussions where all this resentment she'd been storing (basically thinking that I really didn't want to make this move, which I was completely wrong, although I've always been honest about not really liking that city) and have been apart since. I turned to the I-Ching for advice because for the past three years the relationship (I really believed we'd get married, she did, too) acted as a guide for my career and living arrangements. When we met, I was not as financially comfortable as I am now mainly due to the pandemic and the disastrous policies enacted by the previous government, so I was (and right now, still am) living with my mother. The idea was to move in with her, and living with my mother allowed me to purchase tickets to meet her as frequently as I could, while also helping with stuff at home, but my salary and the money earned from my practice would not allow me to rent a place on my own and still have money for anything else, really.

After the breakup, it all changed. While my current job is not an ideal job, I've been applying for others in the public sector, which are very hard to get (as I said, many people for very few openings, and there's this test for any and all openings) in my home state (which, honestly, is something I really enjoy doing, more so than private practice), and began considering moving out, since right now I believe I could pay for a place of my own with my current earnings, even if it means that I might not be able to make a lot of savings, basically living paycheck to paycheck. While reconsidering my options, and since it's still very recent, I also asked for some advice on what to do... I miss her, and I thought we belonged together. She even admitted it: it was the time apart that did it, and she didn't want to have to deal with that. Ever since then, I've consulted the I-Ching four times:

1. What's your advice on my decision of moving out? 1.1.3.5 to 64
My take on the answer feels like a step-by-step approach to moving out: don't rush, it will take lots of work because of your limited budget, so look carefully. There's potential there. But what gets me is hexagram 64, mainly the fox getting its tail wet; perhaps a warning not to do it, or wait for an increase in income (which may or may not happen)? I'm not sure.

2. What do I need to know about my career in the near future? 17.3.5 to 55
It felt like a very reassuring reading. It seems to me it's saying that not only I am in the right track, applying for these other positions, but that it's in harmony with the times, that I should follow my instincts. I took 17.3 to have several layers here, in the sense of maturing (moving out of my mother's house), but also that in order to achieve my aim, I'd also have to mature (though, honestly, I'm kind of stumped at what aspects that I'm stilling clinging to the boy).

3. What must I do in regard to (my ex)? 41.2 to 27
Honestly, it seems quite straightforward. Don't do anything (in the sense that we broke up because she thought that she was distant because I still couldn't get a good position, or any, for that matter, that would allow us to be together). I took it to mean that my changing my life projects solely on being with her was a servile attitude, since it was her project to move there so her career would flourish, but mine would wither, that the relationship that revolved only around her needs was not nourishing and I should nourish myself, and that's not a mistake.

4. What is the chance of us getting back together? 13.4 to 37
Realistically, I know it's a slim to none chance; we're 1,000 km apart, and the relationship on her end was already very worn down. But I do still have feelings for her (and I think will remain for a long time, I honestly thought she was the love of my life), so I just had to ask. On one hand, it also seems that way in the reading, in the sense there's walls that separate us. I've always found this line particularly difficult to interpret; I've seen others interpreting that the gates should be open, therefore ending separation, but the commentary (Wilhelm) suggests just the opposite, that good fortune consists in being separated. More confusing is the commentary, which states:

Here the reconciliation that follows quarrel mover nearer. It is true that there
are still dividing walls on which we stand confronting one another.
But the difficulties are too great. We get into straits, and this brings us to our senses.
We cannot fight, and therein lies our good fortune.


I really don't want to allow wishful thinking to cloud my judgment, because reality is what it is. Though I think I got a good grasp at the interpretations, I still feel that I'm getting in my own way (with my doubts, fears and really wanting to be with her again, in spite of the actual distance and time apart). I apologize for the long, long text, but for every question there is need of context, as they are interwoven together. Thank you.
 
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Hi Hermeneus,
1. What's your advice on my decision of moving out? 1.1.3.5 to 64
My take on the answer feels like a step-by-step approach to moving out: don't rush, it will take lots of work because of your limited budget, so look carefully. There's potential there. But what gets me is hexagram 64, mainly the fox getting its tail wet; perhaps a warning not to do it, or wait for an increase in income (which may or may not happen)? I'm not sure.
The fox's tail gets wet because it acts carelessly. The relationship with H1 is that trigram Heaven is about time/timing as well as finance. So patience and good (financial ) planning are crucial here.
H64 shows that all the necessary elements are present, but they just need to find their correct position (yang lines on a yang position and yin lines on a yin position). As you yourself point out, this is a step-by-step process where you need to proceed with caution and not want to act too quickly.

2. What do I need to know about my career in the near future? 17.3.5 to 55
It felt like a very reassuring reading. It seems to me it's saying that not only I am in the right track, applying for these other positions, but that it's in harmony with the times, that I should follow my instincts. I took 17.3 to have several layers here, in the sense of maturing (moving out of my mother's house), but also that in order to achieve my aim, I'd also have to mature (though, honestly, I'm kind of stumped at what aspects that I'm stilling clinging to the boy).
H17 Following also requires adaptability. To follow an idea or ideal you have to be able to constantly adapt to new circumstances. With H55 as a related hexagram even more so. H55 Abundance is Thunder over Fire. It is the clap and flash of light of thunder. Unexpected and short-lived.
The lower trigram Thunder generates Fire through the moving line at the 3rd position.
Thunder acts here (because of the moving line) without thinking and without considering the consequences of his actions (the boy). Fire makes things clear and transparent, makes distinctions, gives overview (the man). The line in the 3rd position is about making choices.
So the combination Thunder - Fire requires the ability to make (quick) decisions based on a clear understanding of the situation.

H17.3
One clings to the strong man and loses the small boy
...
A small boy makes thoughtless choices and a strong man has clarity of mind and overview and therefore makes wise choices.
So H17.3.5 <> H55 could also indicate an unexpected turn of events or an unexpected job offer. In such a situation, it is desirable to be able to make clear and lucid choices and not be tempted by the unexpectedness of the situation to make ill-considered choices.

3. What must I do in regard to (my ex)? 43.1 to 27
H43.1 has H28 as a related hexagram. Is there a typo here?

This would be my interpretation. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest ;)
 
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Hello, Hans! Thank you for the thoughtful reply. On the first readings, it makes a lot of sense. Those elements, especially on hexagram 17 really help expand my take on it. Lots to think about.


H43.1 has H28 as a related hexagram. Is there a typo here?

Yes, actually! It was hexagram 41.3, Diminishig. Maybe I wrote the post with a 43 state of mind, therefore the typo.
 

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H41.3 gives H26 as a relating hexagram, not H27.
H41.2 gives H27
You are absolutely right. I checked my casting and it is indeed 41.2. Is there a way for me to edit the tags? I already corrected the casting on my original post.

Edit: Done!
 
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3. What must I do in regard to (my ex)? 41.2 to 27
Honestly, it seems quite straightforward. Don't do anything (in the sense that we broke up because she thought that she was distant because I still couldn't get a good position, or any, for that matter, that would allow us to be together).
H41,2 <> H27 Decrease through Nourishment
"Don't do anything", that's not quite true, you shouldn't feed yourself emotionally with thoughts and ideas about your ex.
The lower trigram Lake in H41 generates Thunder due to the moving line at the 2nd position.
Lake with a moving line at the 2nd position drowns in its own emotional state, it is too easily led by emotions.
Thunder gives the advice to finish the old and leave it behind so that something new can be started.

4. What is the chance of us getting back together? 13.4 to 37
Realistically, I know it's a slim to none chance; we're 1,000 km apart, and the relationship on her end was already very worn down. But I do still have feelings for her (and I think will remain for a long time, I honestly thought she was the love of my life), so I just had to ask. On one hand, it also seems that way in the reading, in the sense there's walls that separate us. I've always found this line particularly difficult to interpret; I've seen others interpreting that the gates should be open, therefore ending separation, but the commentary (Wilhelm) suggests just the opposite, that good fortune consists in being separated. More confusing is the commentary, which states:
Based on the fact that Heaven generates Wind through the moving line at the 4th position, I would say that this probability is very low.
Trigram Heaven with a moving line can be seen as daydreaming in this case, Wind is the trigram of the long distance, but also the elusive. The moving line in the 4th position wants to take the lead but should actually follow here otherwise there will be negative consequences..
The combination Heaven - Wind here shows that there is nothing you can do to get you back together in any case. If there is any reunion in it at all, it has to come from her side.

This would be my interpretation. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest ;)
 
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H41,2 <> H27 Decrease through Nourishment
"Don't do anything", that's not quite true, you shouldn't feed yourself emotionally with thoughts and ideas about your ex.
The lower trigram Lake in H41 generates Thunder due to the moving line at the 2nd position.
Lake with a moving line at the 2nd position drowns in its own emotional state, it is too easily led by emotions.
Thunder gives the advice to finish the old and leave it behind so that something new can be started.


Based on the fact that Hemel generates Wind through the moving line at the 4th position, I would say that this probability is very low.
Trigram Heaven with a moving line can be seen as daydreaming in this case, Wind is the trigram of the long distance, but also the elusive. The moving line in the 4th position wants to take the lead but should actually follow here otherwise there will be negative consequences..
The combination Heaven - Wind here shows that there is nothing you can do to get you back together in any case. If there is any reunion in it at all, it has to come from her side.

This would be my interpretation. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest ;)
I think both interpretation are quite spot on, given the circumstances. Those were very emotionally charged questions and I do feel I can get in my own way seeing something that just isn't there. Your interpretation of 41.2 seems way more complete; not only decreasing desire, but not feed it regarding what was or could have been. As for 12.4, even more spot on. There's a wall and, well, it's not my lead to take. Fortunately, it seems that I have to focus my energies on other projects (new job, moving out), which will keep me occupied (1.3).

Thank you for the very thoughtful answers. They gave me a lot of food for thought.​
 

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