Oprah's Interview and the UK Monarchy: 11>24, 64 uc and 39>2

[Fanofenka]

Oprah's interview with Meagan and Harry was a bit of a shake-up to the UK monarchy and EU monarchies to an extension. Members of a psychic community I subscribe to see it as a harbinger of establishing a new world order. This post will be about the changes in the UK monarchy and to other monarchies to an extent.

What implications will we see from Oprah's interview with Megan and Harry? 11.2.3 Flow/Peace/Harmony/Contentment to 24 Returning/The Turning Point/Coming Back/Recovery.
11.2=There is no gain, but they will follow the status quo.
11.3=There are changes that will not change back to the old ways.
Is it saying that there will be peace (11) that it will be a point of no return (24)?

How will the UK monarchy change? 64 uc Not Yet Across/Before Completion.
Is it saying that it will not happen?

How will Oprah's interview with Megan and Harry affect monarchies in the EU? 39.3.5 Limping/Obstruction/Trouble to 2 Earth/The Receptive/The Passive Principle.
39.3=The EU monarchies will find the interview troubling.
39.5=Others will help the monarchies out to restore their dignities.
Is it saying that the monarchies will face trouble (39) where they will have to correct themselves (2)?

 

[Trojina]

Oprah's interview with Meagan and Harry was a bit of a shake-up to the UK monarchy and EU monarchies to an extension.

Oh yeah this is how shook up the royal family were. Whilst the US made a soap opera with Oprah, whereby actually nothing very much was said at all Prince Charles was visiting a pop up vaccination centre in London where they are I think trying to encourage people of colour to have vaccines because they are more resistant to having it.

Actions speak louder than words.

Markle's a 38 year old woman yet she claimed she had done no research into the royal family or what might be expected of her. She said she thought the royal family were like 'celebrities' ! That is so incredibly patronising, so americentric, she didn't even bother to find out about the family that had possibly even killed her husband's mother !? She then she makes a blanket accusation of words said that she herself didn't even hear, words that even Harry can't agree when they were said and as she won't say who it was it basically tarnishes everyone in the royal family

Members of a psychic community I subscribe to see it as a harbinger of establishing a new world order.

Members of the psychic community you subscribe to appear nothing more than rather blank sponges of mainstream US media. I think you could stop any average Joe on the street and get more insight than you do from them.

The very idea that this social climbing US actress is going to make a 'new world order' just by going on her very rich talk show host's interview show with a very sloppy, pathetic list of complaints against the UK monarchy is laughable, ridiculous to say the least.


This guy seems to put it well

As I heard yesterday when Megan invited Oprah to the wedding she had met her just once...hmmm I think she probably had a talk show interview in mind even then. She knew quite well she wasn't going to stay and work as a royal because service isn't what she's into.

This post will be about the changes in the UK monarchy and to other monarchies to an extent.

If you are going to a post about changes to the UK monarchy first make sure you know what the UK monarchy is. Don't imagine for a nanosecond that that pathetic interview will change the monarchy. I think they have been through a lot worse than that. That view, that an American talk show with an American actress is so hugely influential it can just destroy the monarchy is well americentric to say the least, very insulting and patronising.

Somehow I think I can see clearly where humility in service lies

What implications will we see from Oprah's interview with Megan and Harry?

How do you mean 'we' ? It's pathetic, beneath contempt, many British people are furious even non patriotic ones like me who don't follow the royals. The supreme arrogance of Markle and the belief that a US talk show is the measure of truth ! It's not, it's not shaking anything up.

She goes on about her mental health when she could have employed any therapist she wanted to.


This is someone who dumps her own family when they are no use to her. That's what she does, just dumps people like trash when they don't serve her purposes any more. So to post here with some piffle that your US psychics say about the UK monarchy being shaken up by this social climbing actress is insulting quite frankly. Harry will be dumped when she sees a better opportunity no doubt.

How will the UK monarchy change?

It will change most when the Queen dies not because of MM ! And of course her husband Prince Philip has been in hospital for some time so that dumb US soap opera interview was well timed for the Queen wasn't it. The monarchy won't change because of some actress making absurd complaints about how she wasn't protected. She's whining about the press but they got that in the first place through their hypocrisy in going on about climate change while they took private jets. Then they expect the UK tax payer to pay for their security in Canada !

How will Oprah's interview with Megan and Harry affect monarchies in the EU?

it gets even more ridiculous.....and americentric ...like why do you think a US actress would affect monarchies in Europe ? Never mind history and tradition and a people's own culture a self seeking american actress has made an allegation of racism, a very vague one on a popular TV talk show WOW that must be important then, that must mean all monarchies will be affected and the world will change forever. Get over yourself.


I'm with Piers Morgan who left his TV show because of his views, he said he didn't believe a word that came out of her mouth and neither do I




I'm even with Nigel Farage (bloody hell) and yes I'm furious where I'd never expect to be but to for the truth about the monarchy to be decided by some American talk show by an actress who didn't really bother to find out what her job as princess might be like because she was so bloody arrogant she thought it was just a little british celebrity family....so it wasn't worth bothering to look into, is just too much.

 

[Trojina]

Oh and here are the 'Behaviour Panel', a bunch of body language experts who analyse behaviour of public figures. I haven't watched it yet so I don't know which way they go I think they may disagree but it may be interesting.

 

[Liselle]

I haven't watched the interview and may not, but yes. I mean, an actual British king abdicated the actual throne a while ago (to marry a different American), and the monarchy has survived quite nicely.

Agreed it's ridiculous (a) not to have a clue what the British royal family is, in general but especially as you're marrying into it, (b) to marry into it without realizing it's bigger than you are and you might have to deal with feeling a bit 54-ish!

I don't wish ill on them, I hope they'll do well here and be fine, but... but but.

 

[Liselle]

Also yes psychics etc. proclaim "new world orders" all the time, and it's ridiculous and gives divination a bad name imo. Hilary makes the point a lot that you have to learn to scale your readings and realize that Yi texts (for instance) can be more neutral than they seem at first glance and so forth.

 

[Trojina]

It's easy for these psychics to proclaim a 'new world order' since they are never held accountable. No one goes back to them years later to tell them they were wrong. For one thing they can't probably find them. People who subscribe to them just get addicted to the buzz of new predictions, they don't care whether they happen or not nor seem to think much about the actual situations at all.

I'm surprised how angry I am at that interview, then I meet others saying the same thing, that they are pretty angry and surprised at it. I'm trying to pinpoint the exact reason since I'm not someone overly concerned with the royal family.

I think it's

1. It was just wrong to broadcast that interview. It was a terribly crass betrayal of the royal family by Harry also. So it's cheap, a sell out, a betrayal, a lie.

2. The sheer hypocrisy of them complaining about the press and then using their positions to the max for publicity and money in the US. Having that top of the bus interview with James Corden, hardly seeking out privacy is he.

3. Using their royal family links to make money and then betraying the royal family at a time where the Queen is 94 with her 99 year old husband in hospital.

4. Her using a comment she didn't even hear and which Harry can't even agree with her on when it was said, to smear the whole family as racist.

5. Her completely dismissive attitude to her previous role in the royal family. If you don't want to work for them don't marry into them, it's not a reality TV show and it's not Hollywood.

6. This is quite a big one....the 'truth' about the monarchy, our royal family, being defined by an American TV talk show. Things aren't true just because someone says they are and that's how this was conducted. I also feel Harry betrayed the UK by going on the programme. I felt sorry for him when he was stripped of all his military titles, that seemed harsh but now it's clear he has no loyalty at all.


But I guess it is a trend now for things people allegedly said somehow getting the status of 'news' and I think this even when I hear of what prominent people have said that is clearly out of line. I don't think it's News in and of itself. Sure it can be investigated in the area in which it occurred but making it news in itself is a worrying trend. Here I think we've reached a pinnacle of absurdity with Fof saying that the words this actress said make a 'new world order'. I mean really....? It's a new world order because a few self proclaimed psychics said so so that makes it true Fof ?

 

[rosada]

What implications will we see from the interview?

11.2
"Embracing emptiness, use this to cross the river." Harry renounces his royal titles and embraces being an ordinary citizen and uses this interview to help usher him and his family into the United States.
"Not distancing yourself from what you leave behind, friends disappear."
While he would prefer not to exclude his family, this interview has distanced him from them and implies they will not be seeing as much of each other.
"Gaining honor. Moving to the center." He gains respect for standing up for what he believes in - which is more centrist than may appear. That is, he doesn't hate the royals, he doesn't want to live entirely separate, but he needs some peace and that means he needs distance.

11.3
"There is no level ground without a slope. No going out without a return. Constancy in hardship is not a mistake." Life is filled with ups and downs. Harry and Magan being true to their values is not a mistake.
"Do not sorrow about this truth. In eating and drinking there is blessing."
No need to feel sorry for them. They're all eating well!

24. Returning.
The ancient kings closed the borders at winter solstice.

In conclusion, I see these hexagrams as saying the interview was all about Harry and Megan wanting to explain why they needed to distance themselves from the royal family, maybe not forever but as hexagram 24. says they need to step back from the public life and Return to their own path for a bit of recuperation.

How will it effect the other monarchies?

39.3.
"Going on. Limping; coming back turn around."
Harry and Magan will not reach out further to some of the other royals, preferring to continue cultivating a life as private citizens.

39.4
"Going on limping, coming back, connection."
Eventually they may come to recognize their royal connections could be of benefit as they come to see the work and good they can do for the world.

2. Peace, quiet.

I think this answer is from the perspective of Harry and Magan's relationship with the other royals. I think it's saying they will choose carefully who to connect with so as not to disturb their peace.

How will the monarchy change?

64. Before Completion.
"Nothing is settled or complete, everything is in flux."
"A noble one carefully differentiates between things, so each finds its place."
The Monarchy will let things settled down and find their own position. Possibly simply waiting for the story to drift off the front page. What ever will be, will be.

 

[Trojina]

While he would prefer not to exclude his family, this interview has distanced him from them and implies they will not be seeing as much of each other.

He was already distanced from them and this interview makes more distance.

"Gaining honor. Moving to the center." He gains respect for standing up for what he believes in - which is more centrist than may appear. That is, he doesn't hate the royals, he doesn't want to live entirely separate, but he needs some peace and that means he needs distance

He isn't 'standing up' for anything he's just fallen for the game plan of MM who will dump him in due course no doubt.

11.3
"There is no level ground without a slope. No going out without a return. Constancy in hardship is not a mistake." Life is filled with ups and downs. Harry and Magan being true to their values is not a mistake.

I don't know where you get these ideas about them being 'true to their values' I guess it's your media coverage. Doing the Oprah show showed they have no values.

No need to feel sorry for them. They're all eating well!

Of course they're eating well they're stinking rich.

In conclusion, I see these hexagrams as saying the interview was all about Harry and Megan wanting to explain why they needed to distance themselves from the royal family, maybe not forever but as hexagram 24. says they need to step back from the public life and Return to their own path for a bit of recuperation.

There's no hexagrams needed to say that, that is just what the interview was meant to be, them 'explaining' what they were doing with the help of their super rich friend Oprah. I think we were meant to feel great pity at their 'sacrifice' for their 'values' except it didn't work. She wasn't explaining she was blaming. This idea of 'explaining' is nonsense...they didn't need to do that, they didn't need to do that interview. Why would they do that, what in earth would motivate her to make that attack under the guise of 'explaining'.

If they wanted to go let them go but to do that Oprah show was beneath contempt.

Harry and Magan will not reach out further to some of the other royals, preferring to continue cultivating a life as private citizens.

Well they couldn't be less private if they tried could they. Him doing interviews with Corden, them doing the Oprah show. They aren't withdrawing you know, they are capitalising, shamelessly exploiting, their royal connections whilst at the same time completely abandoning any loyalty to the royal family. She never was any part of the royal family anyway.

Eventually they may come to recognize their royal connections could be of benefit it as they come to see the work and good they can do for the world

That's the point they are using their previous royal connections to make more money, they are selling themselves. But they are no longer royals and so have no right to milk those connections. Well by birth he is still a royal but she has no claim to anything.

 

[mandarin_23]

What implications will we see from Oprah's interview with Megan and Harry? 11.2.3 Flow/Peace/Harmony/Contentment to 24 Returning/The Turning Point/Coming Back/Recovery.

When I read this image, I spontaneously think that there won't be that many implications. Life will go on. We'll all move on. "Harmony returning", you could put it literally. I don't think it really says that the family will reconciliate that quickly, but - life is just going on. The 11.2 looks like a "don't look back" to me. There is just troubled water, and it will be calm again.

The 64 unchanged - how will it change the monarchy? With an unchanged hexagram, I also think, just like Trojina, that this interview won't change the monarchy at all, not that quickly at least. The line text talking about "the small fox, almost across, soaking its tail" might be a bit of a comment. However, there will be a new era with the next king.

Impact on the other monarchies 39.3.5 - a difficult situation, it says. "Noble one turns herself around to renew her de." Maybe a time to think about what nobility is and can be today. The 02 as a related hexagram says that monarchs in Europe are in a rather humble position - they have to serve the people, und there are people of all kind. 39.3 "Going on, difficulties; coming back: turnaround" is a line which just says that they play no active role, but 39.5: They are supported.

(May I just add that I asked the Yi as well: "What do you think about this interview"? And it gave me 55 unchanged, which probably just reflects my views only. To see this couple, a pregnant woman, apparently happy, good-looking, elegant, in a beautiful garden, all wealth and splendour ... and then hear her saying, that she was suicidal, suffering etc. ... this I found somehow embarrassing - but, who knows, maybe they just are sad people anyway. "Do not mourn", the oracle says.)

 

[rosada]

Trojina said, "I don't know where you get these ideas about being true to their values."

I got the idea from the line: "Constancy in hardship is no mistake." Indeed, all of my comments were based on what I got from the I Ching lines as I did not see the interview and I have no personal opinion or interest in the monarchy but perhaps that makes my interpretation less bias. If you have a different interpretation of the lines please share it. I think one of the great benefits of the I Ching is how it allows for people to share their perspectives without having to make anyone wrong.

 

[Trojina]

I have no personal opinion or interest in the monarchy

I thought you told me you had watched 'The Crown' on Netflix ? Perhaps it wasn't you. I don't think your interpretation is neutral, interpretation on such matters never is.

It's obvious it's something I have strong feelings about as I must have demonstrated so I wouldn't be pretending these casts meant anything to me.

 

[Liselle]

May I just add that I asked the Yi as well: "What do you think about this interview"? And it gave me 55 unchanged

That's funny, maybe my completely made-up comment about 54 had something to it since you got the hexagram next in the sequence. Maybe both of them feel a little 54-ish - Harry was never going to be king; Meghan married into a family where she's small potatoes. (Not that she was Grace Kelly in Hollywood to start with, but still.) Maybe they thought the interview was "the (not-quite) king takes it on" (55's oracle) - part of an attempt to seize a moment, take charge of their lives or something. Unchanging might mean who knows how it'll land...not well, apparently.

 

[rosada]

Trojina, if you interpret these hexagrams differently please share with us what the lines say to you.

 

[Trojina]

I'm not at all interested in the answers Fof got since for one thing his questions were asked on false 'information' he gained from psychics and American media that somehow what this actress said would make a 'new world order'. I have already written much and posted many videos on the actual issues with the interview here. It makes no difference to me what answers Fof cast, I'm talking about what was said on this interview. If you haven't watched the interview you can't really comment on readings about it. Using the I Ching doesn't mean outsourcing one's capacity for critical thinking and discernment.

How can you even imagine I'd take these answers as worth anything at all when Fof says things like this

Oprah's interview with Meagan and Harry was a bit of a shake-up to the UK monarchy and EU monarchies to an extension. Members of a psychic community I subscribe to see it as a harbinger of establishing a new world order.

So his questions are based on a total lack of knowledge of the situation and your answer are based on the same as you haven't seen the interview. MM just smeared the entire royal family with claims of racism so just looking at the reading without looking at the interview is not good enough IMO.

I mean you're free to post your thoughts on the answers of course but if you didn't watch the interview how can you offer either valid comment or I Ching reading on it.

 

[Trojina]

....and did Fof even watch it I wonder because if you didn't watch it why would you post a thread on it ? If you aren't interested enough to watch it why post readings on it ?

I haven't heard any relevant comment on the interview from Fof so why did you post it ? Did you just want to affirm that the UK monarchy were shook up since some psychics said so and Oprah Winfrey is the nearest thing you have to royalty so what she is shocked at must be really shocking ?

Oprah Winfrey was no way an impartial interviewer. She was in on this from the start, she always saw an opportunity for a big interview I think.

She must be disappointed the royal family have hardly responded and she didn't get the big drama she tried so hard to make happen.

 

[Liselle]

Oprah Winfrey is the nearest thing you have to royalty

Heaven help us...

Oprah is fine, I watched her show occasionally, she's a smart, wise, and talented woman, but she's a talk-show host among a veritable glut of talk-show hosts. When people started talking about her running for president*, whenever that was, I held my poor head in my hands and bemoaned the future of our nation. Of course then we got Trump who as we found out makes almost anyone else seem eminently qualified for the highest office in the land, but...



* Wise enough for instance not to take that bait!

 

[Liselle]

I guess I'm biased towards people who have experience in government, which is no guarantee either, though... (I always second-guess posting on these subjects, makes me ill at ease... should stay away from threads...)

 

[rosada]

Trojina asked, "If you didn't watch it, why would you post a thread on it? If you aren't interested enough to watch it, why post readings on it?"

Cause it's fun to see what the I Ching will say and it's fun to see if we can make sense of the answer! Besides, If someone were to post, "I just had a job interview. What will come of it? 11.2.3 - 24," would you have to see a video of the interview or be deeply concerned about the person's career prospects to give an I Ching interpretation? You might be able to give a more nuanced reading if you knew more about the person's situation but a master would be able to see something meaningful just from the lines and likewise it's fun for novices like myself to test our abilities even on questions that are somewhat far afield from our areas of expertise.

Instead of complaining about the questions or criticizing the responses how about posting your own interpretation? I'm sure we could all learn from your insights!

 

[Trojina]

Trojina asked, "If you didn't watch it, why would you post a thread on it? If you aren't interested enough to watch it, why post readings on it?"

Cause it's fun to see what the I Ching will say and it's fun to see if we can make sense of the answer!

I do wonder if you read any of my posts on this thread, guess you can't have done since if you had then to say it's just fun for you would highly insensitive, crass even. It might just be a jolly little fun game for you but it has upset many people a great deal and if you can't appreciate that then you aren't showing very much understanding of what this is about at all !

What will come of it? 11.2.3 - 24," would you have to see a video of the interview or be deeply concerned about the person's career prospects to give an I Ching interpretation? You might be able to give a more nuanced reading if you knew more about the person's situation but a master would be able to see something meaningful just from the lines and likewise it's fun for novices like myself to test our abilities even on questions that are somewhat far afield from our areas of expertise.

I really don't know where to start, so many odd ideas about understanding the I Ching in one paragraph and so little apparent connection to the reality of this. You know it's not just a game it's real life. Allegations have been made and people have been affected and it's made many British people angry but you are quite oblivious to that to you it's just a 'fun' game ??

The question is about an interview millions have watched and millions have opinions on and therefore it's worth knowing what it's about. It cannot be compared to someone's personal question where one has to go by what they say.

The odd ideas in your paragraph are that there is such a thing as a 'master' who can just see what the reading says with absolutely no consideration for the subject matter. Where do get that idea from, that there is this 'master'..... As for 'novices' you aren't a novice and neither am I. It is incredibly insensitive of you, after all I have said, to make out this is something to 'test our abilities'. No it isn't, it's about something real and there is no master reading that isn't connected to what is real. Where is this 'master' you are talking about - really I never heard such nonsense.

Instead of complaining about the questions or criticizing the responses how about posting your own interpretation? I'm sure we could all learn from your insights!

Again you haven't read my posts I have already told you why I won't be interpreting these so can you please stop saying that. At least I have given this topic some actual thought and thought about the questions which is more than you have done ! Instead of just chucking out an interpretation why don't you make the effort to find out what was actually said. Fof could have done that too instead of coming here quoting some nonsense by these so called 'psychics'.


And don't frame and call my efforts on this thread 'complaining' it's called thinking, analysing, having feelings, ideas. That's so incredibly insulting when I've taken time to discuss this. Frankly with no thought about the kind of question and what's behind it, in a matter like this, this forum would just be a trashy worthless place not worth visiting at all.

I've absolutely no further interest in talking to you about this as you don't read my posts, you aren't hearing or picking up on any of my concerns, you are oblivious to what's been said, you can't be bothered to watch the interview, so don't bother replying to me.


This isn't something you care about, you think it's a game. It's not to me. The I Ching isn't a game to me either and nor is 'testing' myself in interpretation a game, that's not a great approach IMO. But if it doesn't matter to you you could at least be able to see when it matters to other people. The notion of 'testing' oneself for fun whilst aspiring to be some master who is totally divorced from the reality of any matter because they can just look at the reading without referring to the interview or whatever is a very peculiar outlook, not one that I find relatable.

 

[Liselle]

In fairness, let's hypothesize - not an exact analogy but close - that the spouse of a mythical sitting U.S. president divorced said president, moved to another country, and gave an interview critical of the U.S. government. People in the U.S. would probably be upset.

But if someone then posted Yi readings about psychics proclaiming the interview meant the end of the U.S. and a new world order (it wouldn't), furthermore how would the interview affect Canada (it wouldn't), I suspect I would be motivated to refute all of that while not having much interest in spending time on the readings because I would consider the premise of them to be rubbish...

 

[rosada]

That certainly makes sense Liselle. I guess it's kinda like the old question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" and you can't answer it without first seeming to admit the question is justified. So okay, Trojina objects to the question and declines to answer it - fine, but unless she can give us an alternative interpretation I don't see how she can defend her accusation that my interpretation was not only inappropriate but also somehow bias. (An accusation that I find really insulting!) I have re-read and re-considered my remarks and I honestly don't understand her issue. I mean, all I said was that it seemed to me the hexagrams were saying that Harry felt he had to distance himself from his family and any other royals whom he felt were unsupportive and that ultimately it appeared things would calm down and all would find their proper place. What's so hurtful about that??? Ah well, maybe 64.uc was saying it's gonna be alooong time before this entire topic calms down!

 

[Trojina]

That certainly makes sense Liselle. I guess it's kinda like the old question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" and you can't answer it without first seeming to admit the question is justified. So okay, Trojina objects to the question and declines to answer it - fine, but unless she can give us an alternative interpretation I don't see how she can defend her accusation that my interpretation was not only inappropriate but also somehow bias. (An accusation that I find really insulting!) I have re-read and re-considered my remarks and I honestly don't understand her issue. I mean, all I said was that it seemed to me the hexagrams were saying that Harry felt he had to distance himself from his family and any other royals whom he felt were unsupportive and that ultimately it appeared things would calm down and all would find their proper place. What's so hurtful about that??? Ah well, maybe 64.uc was saying it's gonna be alooong time before this entire topic calms down!

Again you're demonstrating you just don't read my posts. You are imagining a conversation with me that isn't actually a conversation because you simply skip over my posts. You are quite entitled to skip over them but if you do then it's better not to keep on acting as if you heard something I said.

. So okay, Trojina objects to the question and declines to answer it - fine, but unless she can give us an alternative interpretation I don't see how she can defend her accusation that my interpretation was not only inappropriate but also somehow bias.

I never set out to interpret the readings here and I made it more than clear why in all of my posts. If you had read my posts it would be obvious why I wasn't going to sit down erase my brain content entirely, forget somehow anything real had happened, and just 'interpret' like a 'master'. I can tell you haven't even read my later responses yesterday.

Looking back I can't see that I have ever said your interpretation was 'inappropriate'. It was thoughtless, you hadn't watched the interview, you were viewing the situation in a superficial way and you had I think watched 'the Crown' so in fact you were in the headspace of the likes of Megan or Hillary Clinton who was shouting some uninformed opinion about the interview.


Regarding saying your interpretation was bias, yes of course it was and all readings are they can be no other way. The I Ching is not a scientific tool, we are right there in the midst of the reading. When the reading is about a political or very public matter like this a person's opinion is all over their interpretation and your opinion, whether conscious or not, is draped all over your interpretation. What is more I think anyone's would be so that is not a personal accusation as such, your interpretation is bias and I can go back to your interpretation and show how your perception of the the royal family/Harry/Megan colour your reading, even though I'm not very interested in readings based on something silly online psychics say.


So let's go back and look at the bias seeing as this is hitting you as an 'accusation'

What implications will we see from the interview?

11.2
"Embracing emptiness, use this to cross the river." Harry renounces his royal titles and embraces being an ordinary citizen and uses this interview to help usher him and his family into the United States.
"Not distancing yourself from what you leave behind, friends disappear."
While he would prefer not to exclude his family, this interview has distanced him from them and implies they will not be seeing as much of each other.
"Gaining honor. Moving to the center." He gains respect for standing up for what he believes in - which is more centrist than may appear. That is, he doesn't hate the royals, he doesn't want to live entirely separate, but he needs some peace and that means he needs distance.

I could see how you get there with 11.2 but also the interpretation is based on opinion about what is happening.

The popular narrative you've picked up, and not from the reading, is that Harry "..embraces being an ordinary citizen" Well his actions show he is doing most everything he can to milk his royal heritage and his wife is certainly capitalising on it. And the idea that "this interview to help usher him and his family into the US". You didn't get from 11.2, come on ! This is your opinion, nothing in 11.2 refers to this. Also of course if you watch the interview you can see this really is not about ushering his family in to the US, it's all about the royal family and accusations of the royal family actually.

11.3
"There is no level ground without a slope. No going out without a return. Constancy in hardship is not a mistake." Life is filled with ups and downs. Harry and Magan being true to their values is not a mistake.
"Do not sorrow about this truth. In eating and drinking there is blessing."
No need to feel sorry for them. They're all eating well!

24. Returning.
The ancient kings closed the borders at winter solstice.

In conclusion, I see these hexagrams as saying the interview was all about Harry and Megan wanting to explain why they needed to distance themselves from the royal family, maybe not forever but as hexagram 24. says they need to step back from the public life and Return to their own path for a bit of recuperation.

Well the 'eating well' comment is just frivolous isn't it, of course they are eating well. To go straight to 24 as saying what the interview was all about is just pushing the bounds of the reading to make it say what you want. And of course they are not stepping away from public life, if they were they wouldn't be so despised right now, at least it would show they really did want privacy. But no, she has all sorts of plans, all sorts of deals based on the back of the fact that they have been royals. He was filmed having tea on the top of a bus with James Corden ! That's not retiring into the background it's starting a new media career.



More of your opinion unconsciously translated into a reading

39.4
"Going on limping, coming back, connection."
Eventually they may come to recognize their royal connections could be of benefit as they come to see the work and good they can do for the world.

This is very flimsy isn't it. There's no way this can be called an objective view that sticks close to the cast with no bias. You've taken the word 'connection' and made it work for your opinion.

Also for goodness sake surely you can see that they are shamelessly exploiting their royal connections already.

64. Before Completion.
"Nothing is settled or complete, everything is in flux."
"A noble one carefully differentiates between things, so each finds its place."
The Monarchy will let things settled down and find their own position. Possibly simply waiting for the story to drift off the front page. What ever will be, will be.

I think that's what the monarchy will do/have done. They weren't pulled into the drama, they just carry on. Their 'recollections may vary' was pure genius IMO. I don't think however this conclusion really arises from 64 though,

I mean, all I said was that it seemed to me the hexagrams were saying that Harry felt he had to distance himself from his family and any other royals whom he felt were unsupportive and that ultimately it appeared things would calm down and all would find their proper place. What's so hurtful about that??? Ah well, maybe 64.uc was saying it's gonna be alooong time before this entire topic calms down!

I don't think I have said what you said was hurtful anywhere I have said you can't really pretend your interpretation was untouched by your opinion. I have also said your opinion is a typical manifestation of the US view of this, both dismissive and uninformed as Fof's initial post with his psychics showed. When I say 'dismissive' I don't mean of me personally but of the UK, of the monarchy. Megan is most supremely arrogantly dismissive as the interview showed. She was even shocked she needed to learn the British national anthem ffs so she regarded the UK and the monarchy as just some little stepping stone not anything where she'd actually need to sacrifice her self promotion for the sake of royal duty. She didn't even bother to think it might all be a bit more than being famous.

I'm likely very much wasting time writing all this as you do demonstrate you do not read my posts. I don't think you've taken time to think about this subject, you already said you thought it was all for fun. Everything Harry is the UK paid for with their taxes. He's now moaning he only has his mother's millions to live on and boohoo they haven't been getting their security paid for. Dear me it's tough life. And there's her comparing her time in the palace with the lockdown experience people had, it beggars belief.

 

[dfreed]

Once again, the psychics got it all wrong (but 'we' already knew that, right?)! According to a recent article in 'O' magazine, Oprah and the UK Monarchy are one in the same! The 'New World Order' is already here: O-anon has already replaced Dr. Oz, Q-anon, and George Soros' Cabal - and just like Frank Sinatra, it's Oprah's World, we just live in it. Or at least that's the scuttle-butt I'm hearing from my online Weight-Watcher's group!

 

[moss elk]

Once again, the psychics got it all wrong (but 'we' already knew that, right?)! According to a recent article in 'O' magazine, Oprah and the UK Monarchy are one in the same! The 'New World Order' is already here: O-anon has already replaced Dr. Oz, Q-anon, and George Soros' Cabal - and just like Frank Sinatra, it's Oprah's World, we just live in it. Or at least that's the scuttle-butt I'm hearing from my online Weight-Watcher's group!

A guy standing on a streetcorner wearing a trenchcoat and oversized mustache told me that was true.
Then he tried to sell me patriot-themed-fish oil-snacks that clip on to my pillows' AR-13 rack,
And don't forget the amphetamines and alcohol. He was filled up to his eyeballs with both.
Hmm.. who else in history used that specific cocktail?
Were they Good guys?
Not these, not these.

 

[dfreed]

A guy standing on a street corner wearing a trench coat and oversized mustache told me that was true .... tried to sell me patriot-themed-fish oil-snacks that clip on to my pillows' AR-13 rack, ....

I am more than befuddled by what you said here .... ?

 

[moss elk]

I am more than befuddled by what you said here .... ?

then my work is complete.

That'll do elk, that'll do.

 

[dfreed]

then my work is complete. That'll do elk, that'll do.

'Interesting' but not at all helpful. But since your 'work is complete' here I won't expect anything else ... like an explanation. Which also means that because what you wrote is incomprehensible and doesn't make sense, we should just ignore it, correct?

 

[moss elk]

Which also means that because what you wrote is incomprehensible and doesn't make sense, we should just ignore it, correct?

It was social commentary on:
1-how people spend so much energy in absurd arguments online
2-on the recent state of u.s happenings,
3-sometimes Threads start & are... absurd.
4-trying to introduce some joyful absurdity into absurdity.
5-failing to remember how nuance doesn't work without emoticons and italics

Points six through ten are to be published in the Spring in a special collectors limited editon.

 

[dfreed]

It was social commentary on:
1-how people spend so much energy in absurd arguments online
2-on the recent state of u.s happenings,
3-sometimes Threads start & are... absurd.
4-trying to introduce some joyful absurdity into absurdity.
5-failing to remember how nuance doesn't work without emoticons and italics

Thanks.
1 - Yes
2 - recent state of the world, not just the US.
3 - Yes
4 - Yes
5 - Yes

That our relations across the pond might be more aware and interested in the goings-on of the royals makes sense (at least from a distance); but our (we American's) absurd fascination with the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan (and that guy she's married to) is just mind-boggling to me. And that Fox News and others then make it about politics? But then again, they think Trump should be Emperor of the Known Universe, so consider the source!

And that 'psychics' would 'predict' or ascribe any far-reaching meaning to an interview with Oprah; I can't help but wonder, how far up their asses do they have their heads for them to be either that stupid or that out of touch with reality?

I kind of like Meghan and Harry (though I pay next to no attention to them), and I really like Prince Charles and the humanitarian and environmental work he does, and I sort a', kind a' like Oprah for her good works too, and as for the Queen, she seems like the Queen of England - which is what I expect and am content with.

When I visited London a few years ago, I was much more interested in what was on exhibit at the Tate and the RA, and I did have my first Scotch Egg at the Black Dog pub near were I was staying in Vauxhall - which is also close to MI6 headquarters!. I toured the Globe, and also took the train to Richmond and saw a puppet show performed on a small barge docked on the Thames. And I rented a room in a tiny apartment from a woman who was a pole dancer by trade - and she had said pole in the middle of her living room (for practice I imagine). And she and her pole - and the puppets, and the art I saw - were way more interesting and enjoyable to look at than the royals could every hope to be!

 

[Liselle]

A guy standing on a streetcorner wearing a trenchcoat and oversized mustache told me that was true.
Then he tried to sell me patriot-themed-fish oil-snacks that clip on to my pillows' AR-13 rack,
And don't forget the amphetamines and alcohol. He was filled up to his eyeballs with both.
Hmm.. who else in history used that specific cocktail?
Were they Good guys?
Not these, not these.

I once asked Yi about this absurd group/generation of people whom you're mocking with absurdity - something like "Why do they exist?" (dumb question, I know; I was exasperated) and Yi's response if I remember was something like "they're resilient."



After the attack on the Capitol, I asked Yi about that answer. "Is this what you meant by 'resilience'??" The reading was 7.1 to 19, which I took to mean that the poor dears just got off on the wrong track a little.

(Please tell me I'm wrong.)

And that 'psychics' would 'predict' or ascribe any far-reaching meaning to an interview with Oprah; I can't help but wonder, how far up their asses do they have their heads for them to be either that stupid or that out of touch with reality?

Exactly. This is the sort of thing that makes Clarity an oasis in the internet divination desert.