overall life diagnosis interpretation

[bruce_g]

Luis, why are you always starting trouble? Lighten up. Tell a joke. Don’t be so serious all the time. Geesh!

But seriously, as long as I’ve known Luis here (5 years?), he’s always been a gentleman, who has always interjected levity into interpersonal squabbles. Perhaps the most genuinely modest person I’ve encountered online. The guy is hugely more knowledgeable of the Yi and life in general than he lets on, and so I pay attention to what he has to say.

Whatever else this mercury retrograde brings, competitiveness has to be on the very top of the list. For me, lots of turbulence inside, lots of reasons to get upset with others, lots of what I view as injustices. But the whole finger pointing thing always comes back to pointing my finger at the gnat on my own nose.

 

[autumn]

So Luis and Trojan read them in the original way and Luis wondered if he had seen a mirage and Trojan told him no, she had read the same.. I don't think anybody was criticizing them in a non-constructive way. I, for one, was not aware that this particular line of questioning is related to some specific method.

Noticing this...
That's another whole separate issue, and one of the sources of anger in this thread. I thought, (another wrong assumption and mistake) that everyone here has been reading about this traditional method for a long time, and understood that Elizabeth was using this specific technique. The impression in the beginning of the thread is that Trojan specifically disagrees with it because it uses references to a calendar. She absolutely has the right to disagree with it, but a few other people here, me included, respect this method. That was a whole separate issue. She was following a particular method, and asking for a global diagnosis of her life is valid according to that teaching. So, a discussion about its validity really belonged over on the divination discussion board. The point that I was trying to make was that when someone has already decided that they wish to answer a question according to a teaching the have been introduced to, then respect that is how they want to approach the question. Or, if you want to debate, then at least understand the teaching before you tell them not to use that teaching. I don't want to open up another debate it about it, but in case it clarifies the responses, that's part of what was going on.

 

[luz]

I think if this happens again I'm going to suggest that people who want to approach the issue from a non-interpretation (philosophical) standpoint, split out into another thread. I know when I'm in panic mode, reading through musings and jokes just frustrates me. It feels in those cases like I'm seeking an answer and no one is paying attention..that's how it feels. I'm not saying tangents or philosophy or theory is bad -- I am the biggest philosophizer I know! -- but there's a time/place. I know my other thread went way off into left field and I stopped posting there, bc people were not even addressing the topic, they were arguing amongst themselves (I dont even remember if that issue was addressed or not). So...keep it focused, if possible? I guess that's my message

Well, this brings a philosophical question that I have. Are threads really 'owned' by the person who starts them??
I view them more as things that are alive and take off in their own direction, or not.... I don't see them as something that needs to be kept "on focus".
I think the forum would be very boring if all threads were limited to questions and answers.
I would like to hear what others think. Maybe I will be convinced that I am way off.

 

[willowfox]

Hi elizabeth,

Mercury turned retrograde on the 29th of October, 2006

Hex 46 indicates the time around the 3rd week of December, maybe that is an important time for you.

 

[luz]

Something odd is happening in this thread...

 

[willowfox]

The clarity clock is on the blink????

 

[hilary]

Well, this brings a philosophical question that I have. Are threads really 'owned' by the person who starts them??
I view them more as things that are alive and take off in their own direction, or not.... I don't see them as something that needs to be kept "on focus".
I think the forum would be very boring if all threads were limited to questions and answers.
I would like to hear what others think. Maybe I will be convinced that I am way off.

Well, I sort of agree both ways (see sign on loan from Bruce). Digressions are fun, the Thread Police are not. But when someone is asking for a reading, or just asking a specific question, it seems kinder/ more polite to concentrate on answering. We can get the best of both worlds by taking new topics to another thread and just post a link from thread a to thread b. Like Chris has done on the Rutt thread, for instance. :bows:

 

[Trojina]

Help something funny is indeed happening on this thread. I just wrote a post and it ending up in the middle of a conversation a few pages back, so I deleted it.

 

[Sparhawk]

Luis, why are you always starting trouble? Lighten up. Tell a joke. Don’t be so serious all the time. Geesh!

But seriously, as long as I’ve known Luis here (5 years?), he’s always been a gentleman, who has always interjected levity into interpersonal squabbles. Perhaps the most genuinely modest person I’ve encountered online. The guy is hugely more knowledgeable of the Yi and life in general than he lets on, and so I pay attention to what he has to say.

Geeze, Bruce, thanks, I'm at a loss for words (for once...) Now I really have to send you something for the holidays. What about a Fender guitar? I promise to go light on whatever you write from now on... LOL!!
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L

 

[Sparhawk]

Someone should take him in hand, I think he likes spanking )

Ahem, have we met??

L

 

[Sparhawk]

, Luis?

Yes Ma'am?

L

PS: my wife kicks me in the shins when I call her like that...

 

[Sparhawk]

What's going on with the message sorting on this thread??? My messages are being posted all the way up there when they should be at the end of the thread...

L

 

[luz]

But when someone is asking for a reading, or just asking a specific question, it seems kinder/ more polite to concentrate on answering. We can get the best of both worlds by taking new topics to another thread and just post a link from thread a to thread

I agree with this. But, for some people, answering the question is a philosophical musing in itself. People talk out loud to understand what they think sometimes.. I mean, if this was a real conversation, and I asked you a question, you could go about answering it in a very round about way, which might even include throwing the question back at me, etc... it's human behaviour, we are not 'answering machines'
And, as far as opening a new thread, you have to either be convinced that your subject will be very interesting (as I suppose Chris is.. ) because nobody really knows what will provoke a discussion and what won't... that is how I see it

And now I'm curious to see where my post goes...

 

[elizabeth]

Okay yeah, the order of the posts in this thread is no longer chronological. Not even sure how the rest of the discussion went after my last post. VERY weird! (mercury, anyone? )

 

[elizabeth]

BTW, willowfox, the third week in December I fly home to the States for 3 weeks ...
but i keep looking for a bigger sign, like "you're going to win the lottery the second week in December". Something like that, the big windfall

 

[hilary]

Just testing to see where this post ends up.

 

[hilary]

and testing again

 

[Trojina]

I agree with this. But, for some people, answering the question is a philosophical musing in itself. People talk out loud to understand what they think sometimes.. I mean, if this was a real conversation, and I asked you a question, you could go about answering it in a very round about way, which might even include throwing the question back at me, etc... it's human behaviour, we are not 'answering machines'
And, as far as opening a new thread, you have to either be convinced that your subject will be very interesting (as I suppose Chris is.. ) because nobody really knows what will provoke a discussion and what won't... that is how I see it

And now I'm curious to see where my post goes...

I'm curious too where in space/time this will land. Hmm yes I agree Lightangel, absolutely, well put.

 

[willowfox]

Mercury goes direct again on the 18th of November, 2006.

Mercury retograde suggest that communictions go awry during that period, messages get losted, misplaced or misunderstood. It is not about competiveness it is primarily about not understanding what is being said/written, this then leads to a break down in communications, causing bad air turbulence, for some of the people involved.
Use Mercury retrograde inwardly to see what is wrong with the way that you are communicating with the world. When Mercury goes direct again, you can then resume communications in a manner that hopefully will not be misunderstood yet again.
Some people who have Mercury retograde in their charts will always misunderstand what other people are trying to say/write, some I believe do it out of the joy to annoy. It is their nature to be always right , to argue the hair of the dog and to say that others are constantly wrong.

 

[autumn]

BTW I did at least eventually give Elizabeth my take on 44 to 16, I can't see that you did ? Did you ? I can't see it ?

Privately

 

[luz]

Hi Autumn,

I see you posted something but it went somewhere in the middle of the thread, so don't be surprised if you can't find it.

It's freaky friday around here (a bit like whacky wednesday)... posts go every which way and, in one thread, it seems that Trojan is spanking Luis behind a veil....

 

[hilary]

2 weeks to go?
eep.
Lucky I don't believe in predestination, then.

Did I mention my primary hexagram for this week is 12?

 

[Trojina]

Noticing this...
That's another whole separate issue, and one of the sources of anger in this thread. I thought, (another wrong assumption and mistake) that everyone here has been reading about this traditional method for a long time, and understood that Elizabeth was using this specific technique. The impression in the beginning of the thread is that Trojan specifically disagrees with it because it uses references to a calendar. She absolutely has the right to disagree with it, but a few other people here, me included, respect this method. That was a whole separate issue. She was following a particular method, and asking for a global diagnosis of her life is valid according to that teaching. So, a discussion about its validity really belonged over on the divination discussion board. The point that I was trying to make was that when someone has already decided that they wish to answer a question according to a teaching the have been introduced to, then respect that is how they want to approach the question. Or, if you want to debate, then at least understand the teaching before you tell them not to use that teaching. I don't want to open up another debate it about it, but in case it clarifies the responses, that's part of what was going on.

Your impressions/ assumptions about my intentions behind my posts are wrong. I never started by disagreeing with the the calender method as such.( Yes exact timing is something I can't go with, though I'd accept like in Astrology there are times when it may more propitious to attempt something.) Nothing to do with that but the concept of being able to diagnose a whole life. This was initially in response to part of the post Elizabeth deleted where she did request life diagnosis. There was no hostility meant. As I explained before I was really trying to say to Elizabeth in a roundabout way not to worry so much, because beneath her words i felt she was very much afraid of the consequences of 'going wrong' .

And I remembered someone called Michael F saying to me once here how it wasn't possible to be in the wrong place, and the way he put had a great positive effect on me even though I argued with him about it. On one level I saw he was right. Of course no statement can extend to all circumstances, you know, apply it to murder etc and the way I tried to express that idea may sound utterly nonsensical and pretty shallow. On another level it does make sense to me and it helped me at the time because I thought all my decisions were so terribly heavy and pressing and i could so easily go 'wrong'. If Michael F were still here I expect he could express it much better. I was wanting to pass that idea to Elizabeth - but I think eventually everyone did as many posters advised more or less for her to 'lighten up'.

(If Luis 'lightens up' any more he would be a balloon , lol Someone should take him in hand, I think he likes spanking )

With Jesed and the word issue I'm trying to explain to him in message how I did not mean that to insult him.

You imagine this was all about an assault on his method where quite honestly it was not in the front of my mind at all. I was not telling her not to use his method. Thats the truth if you don't believe me its up to you.

I don't think Elizabeth is an especially 'new' poster, I've seen quite alot of her around i think. I didn't think her question re diagnosis was specifially asking for the calendraic method. I thought she was asking for all kinds of responses, which BTW in the end she did get.

Sometimes threads die when no one responds they go to the bottom of the pile and are forgotten. At least if a person picks up on something in the reading even if its a thought about the nature of the reading rather than an 'answer' the thread stays at the top and gets more replies. BTW I did at least eventually give Elizabeth my take on 44 to 16, I can't see that you did ? Did you ? I can't see it ? I'd be interested to hear your take on it.

Someone, it might have been you, said here (I think) how communicating over the internet on a forum like this is fraught with difficulty of misunderstanding not being able to see each others expressions or pick up on mood or anything. It is indeed more difficult than I ever imagined.

 

[bruce_g]

2 weeks to go?
eep.
Lucky I don't believe in predestination, then.

Did I mention my primary hexagram for this week is 12?

Perhaps lending you my sign may keep you out of trouble this week?

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[elizabeth]

When did the retrograde begin? Someone PLeeease tell me it was after Oct. 24!

Trojan, I didnt hear, in all of your philosophizing, that you were saying lighten up to me at any point, but i get it now, when you say it directly. Direct speech, esp on the internet, seems to go much further (during merc retro no less!) than tangential philosophical discussions. More on that in a sec. I *am*, and will remain, afraid of doing "wrong", bc in my life such errors have had and will again (if i make them) have vast repercussions that I am NOT willing to deal with. So if someone tells me "lighten up" (which I find a bit insulting during times of great stress btw), I won't take that advice seriously, whether on the board or in real life, unless the person(s) explain the reason why they're saying that. Bc to say "Lighten Up" usually dismisses the seriousness of an issue as if it isn't even worth addressing -- and thereby implies that the questioner is unimportant. So you can see how, if a message to lighten up was a) disguised as philosophical tangential discussion in this thread and b) directed at me during times of stress, well, I wouldn't (and didn't) see/hear it. Until it is spelled out directly that is.

Also, for the record, I was and am interested in the calendric method, in the timing and time frames for the hexes in the reading I did.

I think if this happens again I'm going to suggest that people who want to approach the issue from a non-interpretation (philosophical) standpoint, split out into another thread. I know when I'm in panic mode, reading through musings and jokes just frustrates me. It feels in those cases like I'm seeking an answer and no one is paying attention..that's how it feels. I'm not saying tangents or philosophy or theory is bad -- I am the biggest philosophizer I know! -- but there's a time/place. I know my other thread went way off into left field and I stopped posting there, bc people were not even addressing the topic, they were arguing amongst themselves (I dont even remember if that issue was addressed or not). So...keep it focused, if possible? I guess that's my message.

 

[hilary]

, Bruce!

 

[hilary]

, Luis?

 

[hilary]

Now with any luck, this post should show up at the bottom of the page.

It did!