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I have never read anything about past tense readings but I did one and it blew my mind.

Is not the past on the same continuum as the future? It seems to me that the Yi has a lot to teach me about my past. Most people would assume that they know their past already so why bother? True, and maybe not so true. If you understand why everything has happened to you then you need to look no further, I suppose.

Does anybody else here every do a reading for the past?

Frankly, I don't see how the Yi could have come up with the hexagram and changing lines that it did unless it was pretty smart about it. I mean, it was so smart that I would defy somebody to tell me that it wasn't 100% accurate to a level that cannot be faked or mere chance. You cannot fake a reading about a gunshot wound, right?
 

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The vast majority of people only want to know what the future holds because it is an unknown quantity, like your question about Belize was. Most people really don't care what happened in the past because it is gone and cannot be changed, so what is pasted is pasted.
 

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I have never read anything about past tense readings but I did one and it blew my mind.

Is not the past on the same continuum as the future? It seems to me that the Yi has a lot to teach me about my past. Most people would assume that they know their past already so why bother? True, and maybe not so true. If you understand why everything has happened to you then you need to look no further, I suppose.

Does anybody else here every do a reading for the past?

Frankly, I don't see how the Yi could have come up with the hexagram and changing lines that it did unless it was pretty smart about it. I mean, it was so smart that I would defy somebody to tell me that it wasn't 100% accurate to a level that cannot be faked or mere chance. You cannot fake a reading about a gunshot wound, right?

I doubt that the Yi is giving you what you think it's giving you, and if I'm right, then you don't need to have your mind blown. I mean, you can have your mind blown if that's the sort of thing you enjoy having done, but there's no need to blame it on the Yi. Here's why. If you understand that the Yi was 'pretty smart' about the past, and if you're willing to 'defy somebody to tell you that it wasn't 100% accurate to a level that cannot be faked or mere chance' then that means you're already in a position to recognize its accuracy when it presents its symbols to you. But if you're already that primed to see the meaning in a bunch of Yi symbols, that means that you're already only half a breath away from seeing all that meaning WITHOUT the Yi's help. There's no possible way that the Yi can help you see that much meaning in something unless you're already so ready to see that meaning that you can, on a symbolic level, be described as 'nine months pregnant'. See, it's not the Yi that's the amazing thing here, it's you. The Yi's just echoing what's in you already. Including the gunshot wound.

Why is your mind so blown by the Yi reflecting what's in you already? Why wouldn't it?
 

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"Why is your mind so blown by the Yi reflecting what's in you already? Why wouldn't it?"

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What was in me was "secret" and internal, not known by anybody or anything outside of me, a mental and emotional growth process thread. Perhaps you are experienced enough with the Yi to expect it to pinpoint these types of events as well as their manifested parts in the physical. Some of us are not that experienced, and we are quite surprised to see such results.

You seem to indicate a belief that we all already know our pasts, but I beg to differ. Many of us are estranged from our pasts and know nothing of them except what we chose to remember. Some of us blocked out major portions of our experiences. Some of us lied to ourselves about who was to blame. Some of us have major work to do in the past.

How many people run around thinking that they really know why they got divorced? Many people have no idea why they got divorced. It's a blame pattern, and a denial pattern where self-honesty is lost and easy answers exist in abundance.

So no, I don't think we know our pasts at all. We know blame and we've blocked through denial, and we need a great deal of courage and self-honesty to go back to recover lost parts.

I am very excited about this angle to the past. I don't expect everybody to share in this appreciation of the past. I was trying to get some feedback about the technique because I'm so new to the Yi that I have little historical perspective on its practical applications. I suppose some things seem obvious to old-timers, but not to all of us.
 

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"Most people really don't care what happened in the past because it is gone and cannot be changed, so what is pasted is pasted."

I do appreciate this perspective, Willow, but I'm also working with it as an assumption that may not be true in all cases. Consider the situation where you thought you knew all about your divorce, but that major points were consumed by a blame pattern that exonerated you. In some sense you would know all about it, and in some other sense you would not. It's the latter part that I'm interested in.

I would agree that most people don't want to look into this angle of the past. There is a sense of resignation that the past is "gone" and unreachable, and that previous time lines are finished in their evolution. I am not sure that is accurate, and that is my angle.

This would be the angle of psychotherapy I suppose. It's possible to free up energy that is locked into a denial pattern in the past, for instance. Who is to say what happens to the past time line selves when we provide help like that?

In fact, if you can get to the point where you can affect the past you may be automatically affecting the futures of those time lines by changing their destiny paths and luck. That would not be a small matter.
 

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I think the Yi can give you useful information about the past and I like your angle. I cant think of an example right now, but i know i have asked questions along the lines of "what can I learn about this event...or what importance did this past event have in my life?

I once had a year of seemingly random events that culminated in a negative way and I was disturbed by it. then I had a dream which showed me that what i thought had been random and ultimately negative had actually given me some important gifts. In the dream, I looked out my door and saw that the pathway up to the steps was strewn with flowers, miles of flowers. In the dream, I had been resistant to opening the door at first. That dream changed my whole perspective on that past year. Every time I was tempted to think that it had been negative, i remembered the dream and looked instead for what I had been given. Even if I didnt know exactly what I had gained, it was a touchstone for assurance. sometimes the benefits of an event or series of events are not obvious for a long time.

I think the Yi can definitely function in the same way.
You could expect it to collaborate with you and say " yeah, that really stunk"" but instead it says something like 46 or 41.5.

But I cant help but be curious about how your response indicated "gunshot wound" and what was the significance to you? I mean if you had a gunshot wound, then the yi telling you that you had a gunshot wound is not very enlightening is it? Or surprising. In the same vein, the yi could indicate that a divorce took place (if it did) and that wouldnt blow my mind. BUt If it told me WHY the divorce took place then I would feel surprised and perhaps enlightened. maybe what looked like a setback was for the best... or maybe I screwed up and wasnt listening to my heart, etc.

In order for readings about the past to be helpful, i suppose you have to be given information that isnt immediately obvious or that adds to your understanding, right?
 

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What is the power of the YI--Occult or just Unconscious Self?

Hi duiday,
The Yi explains ALL questions asked of it for each and every person who asks from their own perspective or interests. That is its universal appeal.

In general the Yi is far more impressive about past events than about future ones since the future is not carved in stone and is open to all sorts of new forces and influences including the changes in your understanding due to the Yi oracle.

The past is fixed yet its meaning or relevance to you is no more explained than the present or the future. The Yi is useful in making sense of whatever questions you have since it answers YOUR question as you NEED it answered. There is no limitation upon the ability of the Oracle to maintain this relationship with you and answer for you--be your question about the future, present, past, relationships, situations or anything else.

Folks like Dobro, from a totally Western psychology-probability perspective get hung up in the contradiction between the implicit bias of Medieval Scholastic theology (called objective Truth but meaning Christian Scholasticism). It arose from the choice by Aquinas to call each Book of Aristotle a separate 'science' and this science would be a description of how his Christian God created and ran the universe It was the only way to establish a University curriculum at the time (Aristotle lived before Jesus and wasn't a baptized Christian) . Rather obsolete today, but insight or innovation went out of the Scholastics and academics in their denial of their trauma and loss from the Black Death. But the library books remained undamaged. And that remains the academic tradition--all goodness and Truth is found in books in the library.

Each of us who uses the Yi oracle have our own choice to make. Some experience the Oracle and learn from that experience. Some are intrigued by their oracle results but find themselves incapable of letting go of their prior assumptions and never quite manage to fully enjoy their oracles. Some find themselves having to explain away their oracle experience though they can't ignore their oracle results so they imagine the Yi is just a reflection of their own subconscious or other fantasy concept they are more comfortable with from their education.

The purview of the Yi oracle is relevant personal meaning for each person who invokes its technique and symbolism. I have found its operating principle is NEED and need alone. Whatever you need to know or have its meaning explained the oracle can answer in terms that make sense to you.:)

Frank
 

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"I have found its operating principle is NEED and need alone."

Thanks for the perspective, Frank. The idea of need is a good place to start with an organizational concept. I can see that there are many layers where the readings can be best explained with such an organizing concept.

Need is a broad concept, but I am feeling like it works for me. We'll see!
 

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"But I cant help but be curious about how your response indicated "gunshot wound" and what was the significance to you? I mean if you had a gunshot wound, then the yi telling you that you had a gunshot wound is not very enlightening is it?"

Hi Bamboo. I drew a changing line 3 to do with the "top knot and nose" being sliced off, "but there was an end to his troubles." The commentary warned about a real danger and severe trouble, and I got it. I even got it with metal element. There were many layers to this event but the fact that the reading described the "end to his troubles" as well as the physical attack part was quite startling to me. In short, I did learn from that experience. In fact I started learning to end my troubles while I was in the hospital so it did not take too long. I often remember back to that event as being a catalyst during some dark times. It was a painful catalyst, but sometimes when we've allowed ourselves to slide very close to the precipice there is no other way. Time has come today.

My reason for going back with the Oracle was to learn about the Oracle process and get some help just learning. Obviously if you are well already aware of events then you can better see how the strange, metaphorical language translates. It was very helpful as a learning tool, but the "aha" moment was also unexpected and a learning in itself.

I'm still very much interested in the future, mind you - just not enamored of it to the point where I won't look back.

Then there is the question of the present moment. I have not done a reading for it yet. I think that if I'm experiencing confusion or anger or fear this would be a good way to get to the root of it. If Frank is right about "need" being a most important angle then this should yield a good result.

What is challenging about past and present is that a reading can indicate where our blame might be misdirected. It may be a blame that we hold as truth, and a blame that we have constructed a whole life upon. That is the point where self-honesty is not just an option in a reading. In some ways Oracle readings for present or past could provide the biggest challenges for personal change. I wonder how many people use the Oracle for personal change as opposed to side-stepping it?
 

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