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Chris,
I'm sorry that you choose to read frustration into my response.

Your analysis of what I'm "indicating" I need or do not need is based on a superficial perception at best. Do not assume that my posts are inclusive enough to build my profile. My posts are finite, as is your thesis.

If you read my original post, I'm not asking your opinion on what I should do, nor am I interested in your analysis of me personnally.

Really, it seems that you are frustrated because I do not agree with you. The IDM is your material and creation, and your proof is that it works for you. Your MO throughout your tenure at this forum has consistently been one of perjorative agression against anyone who does not agree with you.

How sad that you have exhausted your capacity for expansion.

Now, I would like to get back to the thread and enjoy sharing thoughts on perspective and truth and why people trust the Yi.

Deb
 

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There was no malice at all in what I wrote - I have repeatedly aimed in trying to aid you, not promote me. IDM DOES have empirical support so it is not something out of 'gaga-land' and as such I *use* it as I use my arms and legs.

I think more the issue is your choice in how to interpret what I wrote - your obnoxious manner indicates your conceit.

I withdraw my sincere comment on 'good luck' - your prose indicates you have some issues in desparate need of resolution and your 'specialist' perspective is not rooted on 'why people trust the Yi' but on YOUR own, need for some form of 'self-actualisation' LOL!

Interestingly, the more focus on distrust in others favours a focus on demand they be monitored, criticised, dismissed, demeaned etc etc

This comes out of a need for security. (water - issues of rejection/rejecting; wind - issues of anticipation of wrong-doing/cultivating)

Whats the matter Deb? feeling a little 'unsettled' at the moment?
 
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Chris,

As the old drunk said, "Sir, your opinion of me is none of my business".

Deb
 

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to equate yourself with the above indicates you see yourself as an old drunk. LOL! you did walk into that one didnt you! Dont try so hard - you can slip up.

C'ya
 

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Deb,
your clarity of preseption and truth ring out beyond you drinking and minceing of words. If you get the drift.
 

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Abandon Truth.............In the open space search I found this post and it may serve some here as post for some contemplative euridite thinkers here on this thread. It is called "Anti Guru" and was posted in 2003 so take a look to see what you think.
 

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"Non-linear truth are those things which require subjective cognition in order to observe or perceive."

I think some (perhaps many?) of the non-linear truths are best expressed through art. Like the quote below from LiSe's site.

"The master says: Alone in the night, and you see the moon, then you are immediately fulfilled. Loneliness leaves, and a love flows through you and this love takes all kinds of forms. This continually causes the spirit to make contact with the essence of the form. Because all forms have the same universal core, the spirit is continually dismantling. This happens also when one looks at an I Ching character. They are messengers, rays of the moon, who is universal love for earth. The moon in the night makes man long for universal love, his rays are the I Ching-characters.

The longing is actually for the woman, but in the greatness of nature, where loneliness is the real life, there is not the woman, and because of her absence arises universal love. The feelings cannot materialize. It is the same road to universal love. It is not the longing for a woman, but the urge for THE woman, as well in the man as in the woman. In the woman it is the longing for the woman deep inside her, the woman she does not live."

Posting for this thread, but also for LiSe. And also for Frank.

- Jeff
 
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Jeff,

Good point. I see art as the inspiration of non-linear, manifest in linear form or structure.

Universal love (influence) has no point of contact without the linear. No grounding, as it were. It is like the invisible manifesting the invisible manifesting the invisible. Nothing appears.
 
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Contrarily, linear structure without non-linear love (influence) is without life: The best one can do then is paint by numbers.
 
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A thought which may be a given, especially to those on this site, is the tiger/dragon motif. The tiger is earth/linear and the dragon is heaven/non-linear. The tiger moves in straight lines. A line forms a square, which forms a cube = 3-dimensional perception. The dragon is non-linear/heaven, and moves in circles or coils. It can not be perceived except through non-linear thinking. This amounts to imagination, such as exercising faith or belief, which then becomes inspiration. When non-linear places itself beneath the linear, that constructs a whole, such as seen in gua 11. It is our natural gift of cognition which enables the two to merge. Without this merging of linear and non-linear there is only either/or, such as seen in gua 12.
 
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"THE DRAGON KING'S DAUGHTER"

The Dragon King of the Dong Tong Lake had a beautiful daughter whose husband and in-laws abused her terribly. One day, a young man came across her. Much moved by her story of betrayal, he carried a message for help to her father, The Green Dragon.

Upon hearing the sad tale, her volatile uncle, The Crimson Dragon, flew into a rage and broke the chains with which the Gods hoped to control him. He found and slew the faithless husband and his abusive parents, rescued the beautiful maiden and restored her to her former glory.

Later she married the benefactor, the handsome young man who delivered her message to her father.

Artist: Caroline Young

 
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I'd like to share something by Rudolf Otto which Aldous Huxley included in his "The Perennial Philosophy":

"Jnana is eternal, is general, is necessary and is not a personal knowledge of this man or that man. It is there, as knowledge in the Atman itself, and lies there hidden und all avidya (ignorance)---irremovable, though it may be obscured, unprovable, because self-evident, needing no proof, because itself giving to all proof the ground of possibility. These sentences come near to Eckhart's "knowledge" and to the teaching of Augustine on the Eternal Truth in the soul which, itself immediately certain, is the ground of all certainty and is a possession, not of A or B, but of 'the soul.'"-- Otto

jnana being the liberating knowledge or the divine ground

Deb
 

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Candid, out of curiousity do you know the date on the first picture you posted above (Kuan-Yin on a dragon)?

- Jeff
 

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These are beautiful Candid. How fortuitous for me. Thank you so much!
 

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My vote also Candid very nice of you to post the sight. thanks.
 

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Truth is whatever you believe, for as long as you believe it.

If your friend comes up and tells you a lie, and you have no reason to doubt him so you believe it, it's truth. And if the next day he changes that lie for another one and you believe that, it's also truth.

Perception is reality.
 
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Pakua, I disagree. Perception is only perceived reality until it becomes is self evident. And even then, evident to whom?
 

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I'm thinking, if I perceive a little green Martian standing at my shoulder and conversing with me, or a flea, as was mentioned in another thread, (Castenada, I think), then that's my reality. It will not be anyone else's, but it's mine. And we each have our own. Someone who is much more spiritually advanced than I will perceive a great deal more than I, so that's not my reality.

As happened to me recently, someone told my friend some lies about me. That is now my friend's perception, and consequently the reality. If I can't change the perception....

Maybe it's not "real" reality, but what is? Is there such a thing?
 
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Pakua,

Perceived reality. But within your used context, yes, I can see your point. As for "real reality", who really has a grip on that? That is, after all, the nature of the original question here that Deb was searching for. Visually, reality sees between the finest threads, between and through molecular structure, and beyond the universes.
 

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Precieved reality! Candid if this is what Deb was infering in the original of this tread just the idea of this type of perception is superhuman and beyond recognition my mear mortals. It is probably why we make an appeal to the I Ching and the oracle for our mundane questions. I agree with you on this point "As for real reality who has a grip on that?" It"s certain that in my mind perception and perspective determine this for me.
 

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Our senses determine our reality. The development of mediation, consciousness, has allowed for us to extend those senses.

ALL senses will have their data converted to frequencies, wavelengths, amplitudes and so map to actions of differentiating/integrating (yanging and yining).

Universals at the neuron, perception, cognition levels then set the ground from which we try to EXPRESS those levels - by LOCALISING universals and turn them into specialist expressions of the immediate context.

Since, through differentiating/integrating, we have been able to map a lot of the universe etc so we are on the 'right track' - or more so FORCED to be due to the basic dynamics that determine our expressions.

There is a LOT of work still being done, the 'story' is not over, but we are starting to pick up on the use of analogies/metaphors to describe the 'reality' of our neurons - differentiating/integrating, with consciousness being the agent of intelligent mediation and so a PART of our being.

The blend, bond, bound, bind etc patterns of IDM cover ANY sense and as such reflect the core set of meanings out of which we make our more elaborate, often over-emphasised, expression re reality.

These universals are localisable such that from EACH can come the 'truth' since they all reflect an 'angle' upon the 'truth'.

The form of REPRESENTATION of the IC is such that it can be used to reflect extremely well what is going on 'in here' and so is a good source of analogy/metaphor in reflecting upon, and describing, reality, not just local but also universal.

Chris.
 
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Hi Jerry,

I think Deb originally asked about ultimate truth, the big kahuna, the apple pie in the sky high, the one that makes your heart cry and your mind fry. Pakua's right, as far as right goes; we know which way the wind blows, and call it truth.
 

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Hello Candid:
Yes the wind ah such a calming thing when it is an autum breeze in you hair,(in my cast it will never happen LOL) but when semantically speaking of right being right we actually have to be careful dont we. Contextually we can really find ourself up the proverbial tree.
 

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