Potential of doing a retreat?

[Torshavn]

Hello,

First, thank you for this community for their help in understanding better my 2 readings. I wish I could participate to others member reading more, but I hardly understand deeply mine...

I asked 2 questions?

- What's the potential of participating to a 10's days Vipassana's retreat? 49.4 to 63
- What's the potential of participating to a Dark Room retreat? 49.3.4.6 to 42


Both readings are talking about Revolution/49 which I am not sure if it's really auspicious...as i understand this hexagram as a very disturbing and potentially violent one.

Both are talking about radical changes with some inauspicious

49.4 to 63 >> 49.4 at first looks better than the other reading, but 60 hexagram doesn't sound auspicious at all. Like at the ends it brings to me misfortune.

49.3.4.6 to 42 >> This one sounds like it will brings misfortunes too but at the end will bring spiritual growth.

Any help to understand these two readings deeply, would help very much. Thank you again

 

[Trojina]

Bear in mind the relating hexagram is not the end, not some final result. If you interpret that way you'll get lost.

Read this for a much better understanding of the relating hexagram

The old 'resulting hexagram' conundrum

I recently had an email from 'M', who's baffled by a recent reading. M's particular question was a little unusual, asking what he himself is really looking for in a given situation, but the basic problem he's having is familiar: "Essentially, I am confused as how to interpret the original hexagram,

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I think the readings show it doesn't make much difference which you do which is why you have very similar answers. Not all choices are super important one way or the other. It's almost like a similar destination via slightly different routes.

Both readings are talking about Revolution/49 which I am not sure if it's really auspicious...as i understand this hexagram as a very disturbing and potentially violent one.

49 is not inherently disturbing or violent it can be like moulting in an animal, an organic change. Depending on the circumstance it might involve violence if your question involved that but it didn't. Violence is not mentioned at all in the text it's just what commentators have added on.

If you are doing retreats I would think 49 would be to do with the purpose of the retreat, to make changes in the way you run your life in quite a deep way. So if you do either there will be some good changes for you. I consider both readings auspicious for renewing and changing one's way of life. 49 is a change of government, a change of guiding principles and you are asking about spiritual retreat and so the radical change is how it changes you.

- What's the potential of participating to a 10's days Vipassana's retreat? 49.4 to 63
- What's the potential of participating to a Dark Room retreat? 49.3.4.6 to 42

When I see 63 as relating it's often a decision made and so I wonder if you are already preferring the Vipassana retreat?

Note you actually had 49.4 in both casts saying this is a timely change. The Vipassana looks simpler, more direct and effective. That is it's right for you to make the changes in yourself you want to make at this time and it's already what you feel more drawn to perhaps?



And so is the Dark Room retreat (never heard of that, it's what I do in bed each night ) good timing for you however it just looks a bit more drawn out or complicated as if there would be a lot more back and forth, talking, uncertainty (49.3) whereas the Vipassana looks quite to the point. I would think the Vipassana more clear, more restful.

But I think this really is a matter of choice as in the kind of choice 'which route will I take to get to the hospital today?' Both presumably deal with your personal development. Vipissana more focused, direct and the dark room there could be the need to go over and over things, uncover things talk about things more.

Also it looks to me like you have to put more into the dark room retreat, you're putting more energy in (42) you're extending engagement with it all. The Vipassana retreat seems to have a settled focus feel to it.

 

[Torshavn]

Trojina, I am atonished by your answers!
Thank you SO much. Your comment and analysis is so precise. It answers so clearly my questions. I need to learn more about iching, it's incredible how you get such clear answer Thank you!

Your comments reflects perfectly some of my current considerations.

The Vipassana retreat is much easier to put in practice as there is one place not far from my home where they have vipassana's retreat every 12 days. I just should have to apply and be out of home for 11 days ( which is possible with a little bit of organisation)

Instead, the Dark room retreat is in Thailand in a Tao center. It can also been done at home but it requires in that case having made other course first and be ready for being completely alone with your practice.
Doing a retreat at home is also not an option for me, as I have one kid/partner and it's not the proper place for being alone for a few days, so I should have to find an isolated place where to stay alone. At that point, I am not sure I can be ready for it...and yes you are right, it's much more complicated at the moment.

For all these reasons, the Vipassana one could be the easier choice. Actually it is not my favorite, I have no preference right now - just an open mind in trying to create space for growth in my spiritual life. I just want to learn deeply a meditation technique.... but yes, it's definitively easier to go to the Vipassana retreat instead of travelling to the other part of the world.


Thank you so much Trojina, for making it it so clear and sheer.