Predictive question and Hex 3.4 > 17

[cirka09]

I hope this is the right area of the forum to post this question in. I'm wondering about the interpretation of predictive questions that give answers suggesting immediate action.

I asked a question that seemed simple enough... "Where is my relationship headed?"
My answer was 3.4 > 17

I really liked LiSe and Bradford's interpretation of 3.4... The trouble I'm having with this is in interpreting the council given. I'm unsure if it's telling me to take action immediately, or if its saying "your relationship is headed to a point in which you will be able to take action."

 

[gato]

horse and wagon part? this doesn't sound very encouraging for the relation between horse and wagon. strive for union. if you are the horse slow down but if you are the wagon i'm not sure if you can keep up with the horse

 

[cirka09]

I will certainly keep that in mind. Not too sure if I'm the horse or the wagon though. I have an interest in other interpretations to this line. For instance LiSe has for 3.4:
"Like driving a team of horses proposing marriage. To proceed is auspicious. There will be harvest.
If you want something, then go for it! Put your heart and soul into it. Its success depends on your motivation, dedication, all the powers you yourself put into it. "

Bradford also translates the line similarly and I've been toying with both translations trying to figure out what I'm being told. This is why I was curious about whether or not to interpret this liner as meaning take action now or wait for the signal and then don't wait a moment longer.

 

[gato]

if you asked about timing, yes this could mean to hurry

 

[cirka09]

That's the thing. I wasn't asking about timing. My question was"Where is my relationship headed?" That's why I'm confused. The question was in reference to some point in the near future, but the answer seems to be in the present. Although... it could be saying "your relationship is headed for a point where you can take action". lol I'm probably over-thinking it.

 

[icegrapefruit]

Your reading looks really promising to me. The relating hexagram is Following, suggesting that the relationship is in the "flow", no need to try to force anything, but let it go on its way. A promise and a warning at the same time: don't force it but don't get in its way, either, do let it go on its way. Hilary on 3.4: "Driving a full team of horses,/Seeking marital alliance./Going on, good fortune,/Nothing that does not bring harvest." To me it sounds very encouraging, you and your partner look for alliance in the right place (that is in each other), the new (3, Sprouting, the level of your relationship, I guess?) growing can be trusted, should be supported.

If this reading tells about a certain action to take now or later, I cannot see that. Maybe too soon for anything like that right now, it is now just the time of sprouting.

 

[cirka09]

That was rather illuminating. Thank you. I do have a bad habit of trying to force things to move faster than they should. So the warning to not try and force it makes sense. Now I think I understand bradford's commentary on the line. The marital suitor does not advance simply because it's what he wants. He advances because the signal has been given that it's time to advance. Up to that point, the relationship is still sprouting and he's had to keep himself in check. It's difficult to put into words, but I think I understand. Gato, your comment "if you are the horse then slow down..." also fits and I thank you for that. Now I think I'll go play some golf instead of sitting on my laurels.

 

[superstar]

"Where is my relationship headed?"
My answer was 3.4 > 17

Hexagram 3 is about problem solving and organized effort. Planning ahead because there are or were difficulties in the beginning of the relationship. You may have had or have unexpected delays that were not planned for and need to be handled to ensure success later on. Get your act together before you make any new plans to get to the next stage. Adjustments need to be made before you are ready to continue on to the next stage.

Line 4 tells you that you are ready to make your next move. Your next step is to find who you really wish to join and wait for them to invite you into the relationship. (Is there more than one person you are interested in having a relationship with? Or do you have more than one person in terested in you?)

Hexagram 17 is great it says to follow you bliss. It encourages you to take action seek what you want. Fulfill your ambitions! Go for it! You have great success if you stick to your present course and no mistakes are made. There is honesty, openness, closeness and love in your relationship. However outside the relationship you both have different sets of values and principles that often conflict with one another. You must focus on your love for each other and let the other lesser things go. You must dispell expectations that disrupt the relationship. Don't act or feel spiteful or repress disappointment when your partner is motivated by goals and dreams that are just as valid as yours. This spoils all the fantasy plans and hopes you have for each other. Your goal should be to attain happiness for each other. Cheers!

 

[cirka09]

Ohhhh I'm gonna be lambasted for this one. The third person in the situation is her boyfriend... she's not happy with the relationship because he does not give her the attention she needs. We haven't been physical and I wouldn't be even if it came to that point as long as she is with him. I have helped boost her self-esteem when she is feeling down. We have respect for one another and she does care about me... but she also doesn't want to just give up on her relationship. I spoke with her today and, for now, she feels that if we continue to talk then things aren't going to end well for anyone. So I'm at a loss as to what to do... which, for now, is probably nothing... just follow her lead maybe? Perhaps that's why I received Hex 3 for my answer.

Out of curiosity I asked the Yi "In what way is my relationship with her headed toward sprouting?" My answer was 34.5.6>1 Maybe ithe Yi is just playing off my own feeling of being stuck with no direction to turn? I'm unsure. The resulting Hex 1 is interesting though I'm not quite sure why yet.

 

[gato]

seems that you were the wagon and the horse flew ....
34.5.6->1 no, no sprouting the situation is stuck

 

[cirka09]

Nah she isn't flying away permanently. She's a very good friend of mine. I've known her for some time now. Things got a little spicy and now they're cooling off. While I dislike the way her boyfriend treats her I know she's just doing what's best for her. I'm the ram in 34... butting my head against the wall, becoming more and more entangled with anxiety when I should be pausing and taking a look around to find another solution.

 

[superstar]

Line 4 tells you that you are ready to make your next move. Your next step is to find who you really wish to join and wait for them to invite you into the relationship.

She is waiting for you to invite her into a relationship with you.

Hexagram 1 also confirms this. It's message is you are the creative force behind the connection. Take action and get things moving. Be a leader. You already feel the energy that this is the right time to make your move. Don't miss out on any opportunities to make your moves. The universe is on your side. Be alert for flashes of intuition and inspiration that guide you as to how to proceed. Just don't get arrogant when things go your way or you'll regret. Maintain the same attitude at all times. Security is important. Be fair, kind, and consistent in your actions and words so that trust is built. Show that you are sincere stable and trustworthy and all will go well. Best of luck!

 

[cirka09]

I will take your advice to heart. Being fair, kind, and consistent in my words and deeds is something I have done and will continue to do. However, from what I can tell and what she has told me she does want to try and make things work with her boyfriend. For the moment I may be stuck with just building trust. But even if that is all I can do for now, I know I can accomplish it exceptionally.

 

[gato]

Nah she isn't flying away permanently. She's a very good friend of mine. I've known her for some time now. Things got a little spicy and now they're cooling off. While I dislike the way her boyfriend treats her I know she's just doing what's best for her. I'm the ram in 34... butting my head against the wall, becoming more and more entangled with anxiety when I should be pausing and taking a look around to find another solution.

the problem is that you wanna ask but you don't want to listen...

 

[cirka09]

I am listening. I'm taking everyone's advice seriously and considering all sides. However, I know, for instance, with no degree of uncertainty that we will continue to spend time together. It has been and continues to be the nature of our relationship. I've seen her relationship with her boyfriend go in cycles. She's been on the brink of leaving him several times but he is a master manipulator and could literally talk his way out of a homicide investigation while holding the murder weapon with blood on his hands. I've known him for a long time too. I've also defended him numerous times in the past when she is feeling unwanted and unloved , when he refuses to sleep with her, or when she finds out other women are sending him nude pics of themselves to his cell phone. He's suspicious and she's defending herself, but she's not happy. She's trying to be... but just like all the other times the cycle has repeated itself, it won't last.

 

[superstar]

HEXAGRAM 1 means you have to take the initiative and show leadership. Take control of the situation. Lead the way be strong and untiring, You are in a powerful position. Go for it!

 

[superstar]

"However, from what I can tell and what she has told me she does want to try and make things work with her boyfriend."

That's what she says from her perspective...do you know how the boyfriend feels and how he sees things from his perspective. She doesn't seem to feel secure in her relationship with him or she would not be talking to you. You are in a strong position with her take advantage of it. I think she is confused as to which way to turn and needs guidance and support and she is looking for it from you. Take control of things. You need to take the initiative and lead. Be straight ask her if her boyfriend loves her or not? This way you know where you stand with her and what your chances are of building something with her. IMO honesty always pays off. Be sincere with your feelings for her. Good luck!

 

[cirka09]

Her boyfriend has told me several times he wishes she would just leave. But if it came to that he wouldn't want her to. To my mind it's out of pride. He's a VERY proud person. In his mind he can commit no wrong. He is never at fault. She sees this. And yes, she's confused. She's told me she wishes that he and I could just fuse and become one person... and that she doesn't know what to do because the part of her that has had her self-esteem completely destroyed by him needs me to not stop talking to her, but also that it's weighing on her conscience.

 

[superstar]

Dear friend from what you tell me....Show strength of character....Take a superior stand. I would leave the scene and not listen to her relationship issues anymore. Tell her you cannot support her unhealthy situation anymore then let go and see what happens....IMO you are involved in an unhealthy situation. Good luck!

 

[gato]

i really hate to tell you this but she loves him... why isn't that obvious to you ( well, i know why, but is time to face the truth ). he treats her bad she loves him more ( google for Jung theory on this ), after all why is she still with him if it's that bad ( pick the most obvious guess )