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I was curious about the transitional hexagrams reading method. I searched it on this forum and found this archived thread:
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/archive/index.php/t-24550.html
So I used the method for a reading I cast some days ago, but the description of changing lines of original hexagram & the hiding lines resulted from transitional hexagrams could be contradictory (For instance, the result was 50.2.5.6. Look at the description of 50.6 and 33.6).
What do you think of the transitional method? Do you use it? If yes, what it means to you compared to the interpretation of original hexagram's lines (the traditional method)? Which one is more important?
I agree wholeheartedly. I think the info. from transitional hexagrams (or whatever you're calling it) is meant to be 'in addition to' whatever your reading is, and if it's not useful, don't sweat it.Trojina: ... the most important thing is always going to be the hexagram and lines you actually cast .... using the transitional method is something to play with when you are already experienced, where it is going to add to/complement your understanding of the answer you received rather than replace it.
Yes. My take on it is that 'transitional hexagrams' is a method described by Bradford Hatcher in his I Ching vol. 1, page 44. It seems similar but slightly different than the 'Line Pathways' described by Hilary (if you are a Change Circle member, there is a thread about it in the treasure chest section on this site). I'm assuming that the 'steps of change' are similar or the same as the latter. In my post above, there is a link at the end to another thread where I try to give examples of each.I do get a little confused re 'steps of change' and 'transitional'
Diamanda there is no contradiction in the way you interpreted the lines, but yours is totally different from the descriptions translated from Chinese (by Hilary and others) I refer to.
I cite Liu's interpretation of 50.6 & 33.6 from James DeKorne website:
50.6: The cauldron has carrying rings of jade. Great good fortune. Benefit in everything.
33.6: Retreat after success. Everything is favorable.
While both interpretations seem positive, the second invite us to retreat while the first implicitly suggests going on (Benefit in every thing).
50 means gestation. Literally or figuratively. Line 6 is far removed. So, no gestation. However, the 'cauldron' is of superb quality. The fact that no gestation happened here is not the fault of the 'cauldron'. Hence there is great good fortune and benefit. Look also at 33.6. Hexagram 33 is about escaping. The first five lines describe trying to escape. Line 33.6 is far removed from the idea of trying to escape, as the person (or more precisely the pig) has now succeeded in escaping.
First, if you haven't done so already, I'd suggest taking a look at the sticky thread at the top of this subforum about Positive and Negative Hexagrams: https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?8682-Positive-and-Negative-HexagramsWhy, if hex 50 (Cauldron) is about gestation, it's line 6 activated means "no gestation", suggesting that the mission of the hexagram is failed.
But with hex 33 (Escape), if it's line 6 is activated, you write it's succeeded in escaping, implying that the mission of the hexagram is accomplished .... It reads contradictionary to me
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First, if you haven't done so already, I'd suggest taking a look at the sticky thread at the top of this subforum about Positive and Negative Hexagrams: https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...tive-Hexagrams
Thanks mmvvdd80.Hi, Freedda, thanks for your explanations.
Diamanda writes "the 6th line, of any hexagram, shows that the situation is now far removed from what this hexagram actually means"....
I'm just gathering information and not digging into my own readings too deep. E.g. I feel it's too early for me to use "transitional hexagrams" (as well as line pathways), but I'm curious.
Why, if hex 50 (Cauldron) is about gestation, it's line 6 activated means "no gestation", suggesting that the mission of the hexagram is failed.
But with hex 33 (Escape), if it's line 6 is activated, you write it's succeeded in escaping, implying that the mission of the hexagram is accomplished.
It reads contradictionary to me though I might be unaware of some lines' dynamic within a hexagram.
I'll rephrase it then, and pop in a few more examples.
If we have 50.6 > 32, there's no action in cooking something, the situation is past that. Or... maybe birth has already happened.
If we have 33.6 > 31, there's no action in escaping, the situation is past that. We managed to escape.
If we have 7.6 > 4, the war is over.
If we have 3.6 > 42, the baby is aborted.
If we have 42.6 > 3, the person who could enrich others does not do that.
If we have 64.6 > 40 we have already crossed.
If we have 31.6 > 33 there's no real influence, it's all just talk.
I hope that what I wrote before makes more sense now.
The transitional hexagrams (or whatever names people use) are worth taking a look at -- at some point. What I was trying to point out above is that the transitional hexagram method is meant to be 'advisory' or 'supplemental' to the reading, and that it is a bit complicated - and maybe good to come back to when you feel up to it. The 'line pathways' are a bit different and a bit less complicated (where you follow each line and look at it's 'change to' hexagram and line, and then separately look at the related hexagram).
I don't understand where you're going with this. You say you're looking at the lines and then look to this: "If we have 3.6 > 42, the baby is aborted."Thanks for the examples. I now understand it's not your interpretation, it's in the lines ...
Some other ways of looking at the primary and related hexagrams: the primary may be describing the situation your asking about, and the related might be either: how you feel about it or how you see it, or advice on how you might approach the situation described by the Primary. It can also be a general supplement to the Primary: is there anything here that helps me understand my situation?... merge meanings of 2 hexagrams (main and the secondary) into one message. Previously I was only able to connect them in one way: the first one causes the second one to happen.
,So I only compared two cases of her line of thought: 50.6 - mission not accomplished (no gestation)
A good way I have found is asking of what the day holds, or smaller questions and then the answers really often come to the fore in very tangible ways which lets you get a sense of the hexagram or line a bit more.
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