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It seems to me that there are two possibilities here. 1-the person told you the truth and has done you a favor. or 2-The person has not told you the truth for strange selfish manipulative reasons.I asked what’s disrespectful about this person A telling me that person B hates me and got 22 unchanging.
No, No, No.Could the unchanging nature of the answer mean in this case just absolute lack of grace?
I’ve been in the process of reevaluating my relationships and as a follow up question to a reading on how to approach someone I care about, I asked what’s disrespectful about this person A telling me that person B hates me and got 22 unchanging.
I found the whole situation childish, but also got upset, as on some level felt it was equally disrespectful to both me and person B. I couldn’t find good enough explanation however, to justify my feelings, and so I looked to I Ching for help…
Could the unchanging nature of the answer mean in this case just absolute lack of grace? Or would the image of the hexagram be more of a clue, pointing to light on the mountain, as if I’ve only started to uncover the tip of the iceberg with this simple question (either in regards to this person's behaviour or the matter of respect in general)? I might have read it even somewhere here before, but this hexagram reminds me of Plato's Cave, in this situation the person A being in "power" so to say, is casting shadows of actual reality on mine and person's B canvas, mountain... ?
Usually I Ching helps me put my thoughts into words and find the right meaning, but now instead of knowing how to verbalise better what's so particularly disrespectful about this, I'm even more lost in the relativity of morals.
Is it because 22 is often linked to theatre and disguise?or 2-The person has not told you the truth for strange selfish manipulative reasons.
Since you got 22, I am inclined to think the person did not tell you the truth.
How would you describe 22 in a few words if someone asked you?22 is not the western notion of gracefulness or spiritual respectable dignity or decency.
distancing myself is not a problem as we currently live a good few thousand miles apart. and stay in touch very, very rarely. nonetheless, i still somewhat care, since i still feel cared for (we both express it in weird ways but the bottom line is the authenticity of feeling). we discussed boundaries of this friendship, hence less contact. i know there's only good intentions on both sides but there was also a lot of hurt inbetween over the last decade... so i am much more careful now.I would avoid this person if I were you. You said you care about them but if it’s a habit, it’s no good.
You are not supposed to know what people think of you I believe
with a year perspective i find both to be true... i found out much later from my ex, who i'm still friends with and shared the above story, that person B supposedly had warned him against me, before we started going out. so there is some sense in person A later also warning me against person B, who apparently had some problem with me for quite a while that was never expressed to me in person uch: as i generally try to stay away from any kind of intrigues (?) it never crossed my mind that someone whom i barely know might dislike me to the point of trying to plot against me in some way. maybe i'm too naive, but i find it funny actually, it's simply too childish for me to feel bothered...It seems to me that there are two possibilities here. 1-the person told you the truth and has done you a favor. or 2-The person has not told you the truth for strange selfish manipulative reasons.
i think for me this was not about distancing myself from the fact someone might hate me, but actually realising that even if this is true, it's most likely because they have trouble maintaining their own self-worth and it's not really to do with me as much as with themselves, i guess (and by that exercising compassion). after all, self-worth (nomen est omen) doesn't depend on any external factors or other people but only oneself.I am also well acquainted to people that feel this urge to inform me that the whole world hates me and it’s terrible.
One of the last I can remember a couple of months ago, a teacher of mine informed me that my whole class believes I am worth nothing.
It is true a guy wrote to me in private a couple of times to sarcastically imply that my knowledge of cinema is rather low.
Yet at the final exams I got the highest mark in the entire class in the technical test.
And I spent these last months not at ease with the class, thinking of what the teacher had said.
You are focusing on a word that does not adequately capture the meaning of 22, and therefore still sort of missing the meaning.we all have different images in mind when we speak or think in words, so even though we use them to communicate seemingly clear meaning, the actual semantic field of the message itself gets us constantly lost in translation. to me, when i think of grace (in english)...
The change from everyone sitting around a bar,What change?
Actually, it is a terrible song about alcoholics and marital infidelity.Nice song.
Right, that is why the Image says not to think you are going to have accurate judgement: the jun zi does not presume to execute justice.So to summarize 22: it’s not as it appears it to be. There may be something hidden.
what i was trying to express, aside from that no word can adequately capture even its own meaning, is that (since english is not my native language) through my seemingly limited understanding of the word "grace" (as well as holding apparently different feelings on deer or probably more doe-like movements ) i actually might have intuitively arrived at something closer to "refinement, style, grace, elegance, charm, class, etiquette". i have different connotations with the word grace (and learned very late about "god's grace" or the word's spiritual meaning), than probably most people and to me it simply fits the hexagram. another closer interpretation for me would be Greek mythology and the 3 Graces, goddesses of charm, cheerfulness and beauty, though even these "charities" have been translated differently across the world. yet that again points to how broad the actual meaning of the word „grace” is and i think that’s why it's still widely used for 22.You are focusing on a word that does not adequately capture the meaning of 22, and therefore still sort of missing the meaning.
'Grace' (which has more than one meaning in English) does not appear in the Yi Jing, the Title of 22 is Bi.
Try this exercise:
1-Erase the word 'Grace' from your mind.
2-Look at Bradford's list of keywords, and replace 'Grace' with each of of them, one at a time. Then you'll probably get it:
Dressing up, beautifying, decorating, embellishing; relation of form to content, Elaboration, costumery, vanity, cosmetics, fashion, facade, veneer, posturing, Refinement, style, grace, elegance, charm, class, etiquette, protocol, formality, Nearsight, limited vision, myopia, glamour, fascination, sham, illusion, pomp, Superficiality, public image, fancy surfaces; proximity’s effect on apparent size, Aesthetics, beauty way, highlighted substance; the cultural artifact as substance
Yes, he did include the word Grace in the list,
but your association with the word Grace in your example of the Deer is more like Agility, Nimbleness, Dexterity, Gracefulness,
Those things are not 22.
i agree that it’s about not seeing past what’s right in front of us, or not being able, having means, right tools, perspective to see it as it truly is. from Moss Elk’s song - beer goggles? sure, why not. but in me that would eventually incite the need to sober up and climb up that mountain. just because 22 says i don’t understand the full picture behind what’s right in front of me, doesn’t mean i don’t need to see more. though sometimes indeed, probably better not to go back to that bar when sober…22 can indicate you only need to see what's right in front of you.
yes, it does mean something to eat. i love lentils!Sorry legume for hijacking your post.
(What a funny name though
In my language it’s something to eat).
Tested by her environment in the sense that her environment was trying to get that freedom away from her?there's a story, i think from Carol Anthony, that got stuck with me. she wrote about her experience of having used I Ching for a while and eventually finding some inner freedom and then all of a sudden being constantly "tested" by her environment. but, i believe, this serves only to gain necessary know-how for maintaining that freedom and self-worth permanently.
Which is not a good advice on buying something after all, certainly not a house.22 can indicate you only need to see what's right in front of you.
I recall Brad's example of mountain goats who can only live by using very short sight, they are on ledges, if they started gazing out over the landscape they'd fall off.
I love those songs.Actually, it is a terrible song about alcoholics and marital infidelity.
Ok so I'd better not buy this huge elegant house I think.Right, that is why the Image says not to think you are going to have accurate judgement: the jun zi does not presume to execute justice.
I want to single out this sentence for future bumpers into this thread.22 says i don’t understand the full picture behind what’s right in front of me, doesn’t mean i don’t need to see more.
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