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Odds Schmodds. :]
That the 'odds part' must apply to our readings only exists in our minds.
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Our readings are not really dependant to 'odds' [...]
In the hurry, I forgot to add, according to the procedure attached in #19, the extra-throws after the matches. The above (marked in red) should of cause be written:Hi Liselle, Yes, or like the method very similar given by Zhu Xi *)
[etc. etc. ]
2-5-6-2-2-1 = 8-7-8-8-8-7
3-6-3-4-1-6 = 7-8-9-6-7-6 Throwing then the Die until 3, 4 or 6 dots shows up
etc. etc. etc.
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*) On sect. III pg. 47 in this pdf: Explaining the Milfoil Stalks
**) From https://www.biroco.com/yijing/basics.htm
I agree. It's a common flaw of having to manipulate a few objects. The problem I see in using a book is different since a book provides a "reference" (the start and the end of the book) and this greatly reduces the choices you can make to generate a "random" outcome.A problem with cards (same as opening book itself randomly) is that they are prone to physical "shaping" by the user.
Sounds really interesting, did you also draw the ideograms? I would find that part a bit difficult to draw. I could do the set of lines though...I'll be happy to share, below the list of the methods I feel worth trying. If you want to try any of them let me know, I will dig my hard disk to find the hi-res images and will post them here.
Three cards method:
- The seven identical cards that keep track of the forming hexagram (no need to have pen and paper at hand). I posted them here on Clarity but you can also see them on my site. Those are the ones that I like the most and regularly use. I had the design printed as business cards for very cheap.
- The eight cards that produce one trigram at the time. I don't have them on my site but you can find them in my older post here on Clarity.
- The four cards I just described in the previous message in this thread.
- The three cards single-sided method I'm about to describe now.
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To cast a line, you shuffle and rotate them at will then you spread them as shown below:
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If the two black ideograms on the top left are the same as the two red ideograms close to a line, you got that line, otherwise you got the other one. (in the example above you got a 9 because the ideograms are different).
This method produce lines with the yarrow stalks odds.
Just let me know if you want them, I'm sure I have the files somewhere on my HD.
Anyways, those cards can also be easily drawn with a marker, as the four cards in the previous message. Any four different symbols will work as long as they are placed as shown in the pictures.
I liked your method with the aces, I think I'll try it. And I do have that same tarot deck you show, that I don't use. I will check which deck I find more clear to do the 'casting'. Thanks for sharing!Hi surnevs. The post I made some time ago shows two card decks that do exactly what you say: they produce IChing lines exactly as you would do with the three coins or the yarrow stalks methods.
On my site there is a method that uses the ace of hearts and the ace of spades, and others using other playing or tarot cards combination.
So I would say there are plenty of methods to use cards for I Ching divination.
For example, below is one of the methods I devised. It's a set of four cards that anyone can create very easily using a marker and some cardboard. Below, on the left the front and the back of each card, on the right the way you spread them to cast a single line:
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Instead of 4 double-sided cards, one can create 4 single-sided cards, two of a type and two of the other type. An easy way would be to use 4 playing cards, glue some white paper on their front, and draw the dots and lines on them. Even easier to use blank business cards.
To cast a line, you shuffle, rotate, and flip (if double-sided) the four cards at will and then spread them as shown in the picture.
The line on the card tells you if it's yin or yang. If the number of the black dots on left top is the same as the number of the red dots on the card, it's a moving line (odds are the same as the yarrow stalks method).
In the picture above, the result would be a 9 as there are two black dots on the top left.
Those artistically gifted could decorate them to personalize them.
Actually, I made all the cards with Inkscape and Gimp. I'm absolutely unable to make a straight line using a pencil (not to mention drawing a circle ).Sounds really interesting, did you also draw the ideograms? I would find that part a bit difficult to draw.
If you try it, let me know. I really would love to heave your feedback. If something doesn't work for you I might come up with an alternative (or maybe not, but I'll try )I liked your method with the aces, I think I'll try it. And I do have that same tarot deck you show, that I don't use. I will check which deck I find more clear to do the 'casting'.
Hi Paula,I will be getting the I Ching Oracle deck on Tuesday 28th I guess, and then try all the methods proposed in this thread, with my deck, with playing cards or tarot, an then compare results. Then, of course, I will let you know and tell you about my modest conclusions
Thanks to remind me of this, ronbracale. I had completely forgot to report it on my site. Added just now.a 2 coin method is expounded on this site which does have the correct odds
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