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mmohan

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Hi, IC Fam:

First and foremost, I'm kind of new to this. Well sort of a novice and have been using the interpretations of Karcher and Huang for about 6 months now. Find them both enlightening. I love this IC forum. Very informative and a wealth of helpful interpretations to similar questions I ask the IC. The people here are GREAT! I'm very grateful for you all.

My question or should I say dilemma: For about 3 yrs now I have been in love with this man. I have gotten hot and cold responses from him. For about 1 month now, after a nasty discussion, we have stopped communicating.

He pretty much made it clear that he doesn't feel the same way I feel for him. I feel I should just leave it all alone and move on with my life. Yet this person is frequently on my mind and i still feel a connection to him.

So I asked the IC "Where do I go from here with X?" I received Hex 27.6 > 24. Karcher says Hex 27 Nourishing is to "go back and correct things. Have no fear. The way is open" Yet I don't understand what he means by "launch a brand new enterprise. Your ideas will be rewarded if you do." Then he says "something significant is returning. Be open and provide what is needed." Huang says "Nourishing is completed...'The sage is aware of the danger and overcomes all difficulties while crossing great rivers. It portends great blessings."

I believe the IC is telling me to not be afraid. Go back and fix the problem. Honestly, I'm a bit apprehensive because i don't want to go back to the same negative cycle of trying and not getting nowhere with this person. Karcher's "Adversity, hungry souls and angry ghosts" are probably the past bad memories that I don't want to re-live. Also I have asked the IC a few questions previously, all within a month or two, about this person and constantly I get Hex 24 Return/Turning Back as a future hexagram. Is it so clear that this means he will come back to me on his own?

So my next question was, "When he returns will it be sincere and real?" IC response was Hex 43.1.3.5 > 40. I get this to mean there will be a Breakthrough (Hex 43) but there may be some difficulties. Can someone please interprete what the changing lines mean cause the are a bit confusing to me? But it seems the difficulties will be removed Hex 40 Deliverance. Deliverance also says, Leggs Interpretation, "Advantage in southwest. There will be good fortune in coming back to the old condition..Superior person forgives errors and deals gentiy with crimes". I guess it would be good for him to come back; or for me to take him back; and for me to forgive him or vicer versa.

I tried to get a timeframe. I know Hex 24 is around Spring but the Spring has passed already. Is there another timeframe since I am asking now?

I would really appreciate some clarificiation. Is there something else I should be considering here that the hexagrams are saying? I am grateful for any insight from the IC forum Fam on this matter.TY very much. :bows:
 
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Where do I go from here with X?
27.6 > 24

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Hexagram pictures: Mouth, Sprouts

Overall judgment: You have been starved for love long enough. Find a new love interest.

Text:

27J
The Corners of the Mouth.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
Pay heed to the providing of nourishment
And to what a man seeks
To fill his own mouth with.

Rethink the kind of partner you really want.

27I
At the foot of the mountain, thunder:
The image of Providing Nourishment.
Thus the superior man is careful of his words
And temperate in eating and drinking.

Be more selective next time around.

27.6
The source of nourishment.
Awareness of danger brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

Find someone who harmonizes with your personality and interests and shares your values.

24J
Return. Success.
Going out and coming in without error.
Friends come without blame.
To and fro goes the way.
On the seventh day comes return.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

Turn to friends. They could help you find someone. Often others know us better than we know ourselves.
 

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Just a practical question. You say you stopped communicating a few weeks ago. How did you leave it?

It sounds as though you are considering whether you should approach him, or wait for him to approach you. If the "nasty discussion" was an argument in which you have since reconsidered your position, that's one thing; but if you (or he) issued an ultimatum of some sort that's another.

As a side note, I used to get 27 a lot around a relationship preoccupied with food & the rituals around it. We frequently had meals/drinks & always enjoyed that time together, but other forms of intimacy were not easy to sustain. He primarily wanted a constant dinner companion, not a lover. Anyway I mention this because 27 is one of those hexagrams with literal implications that are not always easy to see but do sometimes apply--as I belatedly realized.
 
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Hi mmohan,

It looks like the IC is telling you to move on - I have had a very similar experience with hex 24 when a relationship of mine was dissolving last year, and have come to know that it means not simply "Returning", but "Returning To One's Own Way", i.e. leaving to do one's own thing (for more on this, check out LiSe's I Ching site). So in the light of this, Karcher's advise to launch a brand new enterprise means just that - a brand new relationship with someone else. Line 6 in this case would read as

Nine at the top means:
The source of nourishment.
Awareness of danger brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

So you know the relationship between you two was fraught with negativity (you mentioned "angry ghosts"), it's time to move on and find a new source of emotional nourishment.

The hex 24 you got in relation to this guy before also reinforces this view.

As for 43 changing to 40, personally I work with a system which, in the case of 3 changing lines, instructs to only consult the primary and then the secondary hexes, disregarding the text on the lines.In this light, the IC is answering your question best it can - the return is not likely to happen, but instead, there'll be a breakthrough (43) into freedom (40).

I am sending you my warmest wishes on your journey to freedom :hug: - many a time just because we love a person, does not mean we are meant to be with them. It is the highest form of love to let go lovingly and wish this person all the blessings for their future.
 

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Hex 27.6 > 24

Relationship question: Where do i go from here with X Hex 27.6 > 24

Hi mmohan,

Hex 27, Nourishment, is concerned with how we nourish ourselves with our thoughts and beliefs. The combined image of the upper and lower trigrams form a mouth, representing both the bringing-in and the outward expression of nourishment. The lower trigram, Chen, representing emerging thoughts, is dynamic and moves towards the upper trigram, Ken, which symbolizes limit, boundary, and austerity. An important element of this hexagram is that it represents a situation of self-reliance and self-responsibility. That's why the Judgement, Tuan, states "Pay heed to the providing of nourishment and to what a man seeks to fill his own mouth with."

Top yang represents the final part of the Dao of Yi, nourishment. It is the point at which all the preceding processes within Yi finally culminate: The source of nourishment. Awareness of danger brings good fortune. It furthers one to cross the great water. The line represents the source of true nourishment, reliance on your higher self, your self belief and belief in your path. At the extreme upper point of the trigram Ken, it also represents a situation of self-control and austerity. Resting on the ruling line, fifth yin, it is assigned the role of nourishing the lower lines with true nourishment. The reference to the danger of its position indicates the responsibility it holds, hence the need for austerity. This line is urging you not to go anywhere with X.

The Zhi Gua, Hex 24, Return, represents coming back to, or recovering your true inner path and direction. More specifically, the fan yao, 24,6 indicates the danger inherent in missing the return or recovery of the correct direction. In my opinion, and unfortunately, this has nothing to do with the return of your friend, but that doesn't mean that you won't necessarily get back together, it just says that it's not the right direction to take.

Your follow-up reading, 'When he returns will it be sincere and real?' - Hex 43,1,3,5 > 40
This is mostly about getting rid or parting from a wrong view. First yang indicates the mistake of jumping to a wrong assumption about the relationship. Third yang is urged to part with top yin - "A superior person leaves what is to be left: going alone..." - Liu I Ming. Fifth yang describes the dangers of recurring thoughts and desires (about X) - "In dealing with weeds, firm resolution is necessary..." The Zhi Gua, Hex 40, represents getting the hell out of a wrong mind-set or situation.

These readings are simply indicating that X isn't the right direction for you to take. They're not written in concrete and they don't necessarily mean you won't continue with X. They're just saying that for your life-path going with X isn't recommended by the I Ching.

Hope this helps. Peter
 

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Hello, Everyone. First and foremost, thank you all for your insight, interpretation and bring clarity to this matter for me. It's wonderful to always learn something new and see things from a different perspective.

Pocossin: Thank you so much for your insight. Ironically, since I have not been talking to him, the saying keeps coming to me "Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it". I have been thinking about what type of partner I really want who will harmonize with me. After reviewing my time with him, there are red flags and signs that a visible, i.e., never seeing anything he did was offensive or wrong, never apologizing on his own, etc. I don't think I can live with that.

Adarkana: Thank you for your insight. It was an arguement. No ultimative just him not backing down from his position. Him not seeing he did anything wrong to apologize for. Me not being able to accept his arrogance, disrespect and no sense of what is fair. And yes you are right. He only wanted physical stimulation, nothing more.

Hooliganetta: Thank you for your insight. Thank you for clarifying the brand new enterprise part from Karcher. Yes, I can see now that he means to attract a brand new relationship with someone else. Find a new emotional nourishment.Freedom from this negative cycle is greatly welcomed in my life. Thank you for your warm wishes.

Peter2610: Thank you for your insight. Yes, with your interpretations, I can now see that the lines are telling me not to go anywhere with X. To come back to my center, loving me and waiting for the right person to enter my life. Nourish myself, self love, self respect. I guess I thought he felt the same way I felt for him with the mix signals and all. Deep down I knew it is best I walked away from this person. To stop wanting him knowing deep down he wasn't willing to give me what I needed. Like you said, "Getting the hell out of a wrong mind set or situation."

Honestly, Hex 24 Returning was just confusing me. I was saying how can the IC tell me that this person returning will be good for me when he hasn't shown me a sign of positive change of his part? Thank God for all of you and your abilities to help me see what Hex 24 Returning really means in this situation. Thank you very much.

I have asked the IC prior questions on different topics. I can respectfully state amazingly the IC is hardly ever wrong.

Thank you again all for your help. It is greatly appreciated. Blessings. =)
 

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27.6>24 Nurturing changing to Return
Here is a reminder that Hex 27 is about what nurtures us and in your case I think it is important to point out that words can be nurturing, or they can be hurtful. Hex 27 talks about controlling what passes through our lips, both food coming in and words going out. You feel some regret about the way you argued with your friend. You might even have some guilt about the words you said and these words could in a sense be "haunting" you. You would like to resolve this with your friend and be forgiven. But Hex 24 suggests that you return to your own internal guidance and forgive yourself. This will enable you to take a new start and do better next time. If you need to apologize to your friend then the opportunity will come once you are at peace within yourself.
 

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Hi, danadanadana:
Yes. You are correct. I did regret the words I said; the way I handled the whole conversation. I wish I could have handled myself better. I do need to forgive myself first. Funny, I was able to speak to him yesterday. Ironically, we had an open discussion that was productive. The positioning stayed the same but it was not a hurtful discussion as before. I felt as if we actually communicated for the first time and understood one another. I do understand what Hex 24 Return means now. To come back to my inner self and nurture me. That's what I'm doing now; stepping away and taking care/making time for me. Thank you for your insight. Blessings :bows:
 

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Dear mmohan,
I am happy to hear that my words were helpful for you.
Best wishes,
danadanadana
 

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