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Hi All,

This is my first post and I could really use your help on this!!!

When I asked the Yi Jing "What happens next in my relationship?" I got Hexagram 59 changing lines 2 and 6 to transformed Hexagram 8 (Bonding)....

Naturally I am a bit confused. Our relationship is already quite difficult to understand. She has been undecided and back and forth for a longtime now. And this has recently resulted in a short 3 week hiatus imposed and broken by me.

Anyway, as you know Hexagram 8 requires you to throw again in order to understand your role in the bonding.

The answer to that question was Hexagram 2 (receptive) lines 2 and 3 to Hexagram 46.

There seems to be somewhat of a contradiction.

Your help would be most appreciated! Its been 3 days since I drew these answers and I'm still confused as to what I need to do!

Hope to hear from you soon! Thanks in advance!

Moses
 
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Welcome to Clarity Moses:). Sorry to hear about your relationship worries... It sounds to me like the Yi is advising you to back off a bit. Line 2 says to seek refuge in what supports you. I usually read this line as a heads up to take some time to get in touch with my spirituality, go to the park where I feel very grounded and balanced, so whatever and whoever that is for you, go there. Line 6 is all about dissolution of conflict, and I have also had this line come up as a reference to blood, as in my spirit guides/ancestors (There is a thread about it, and I will try to post the link to it for you). Sounds like that is the next phase here. 8 is just a reflection to me of the background of the situation. Could be that simple, but if this were my reading I would read this as seeking union with boy (in your case girl) but really need it with kin. And doing this will help break down barriers and dissolve conflict. Hope this helps you:).
 

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Thanks for that reply Ferret!!

Can I ask about the second half of the reading about my role in the bonding?

The answer to that question was Hexagram 2 (receptive) lines 2 and 3 to Hexagram 46.

What is your take on that?

Thanks again,

Moses
 
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Yer welkum:)... I have some ideas for 2.2.3>46 too. I think this bodes well. With 2 here, I think the idea of backing off and letting her come to you is reiterated. The lines and hex 46 both suggest a development in increments, like moving up the wrungs on a ladder. I would read line 2 here as just let things unfold, be receptive to what is developing with the warning not to keep any ulterior motives. So, don't try to shape things to fit your own needs, just do your part to draw each line and don't focus on the shape that is being created in the end. Line 3 says to me give of yourself without making a show of it. In the context of a relationship, I might see this as a guy who has a lot of initiative, maybe very assertive, knows what he wants, all ready to fill his role as the man in this girl's life having to back off a bit. Also, be modest. Don't throw anything you do for this person in her face. Modest, modest, modest. 46 suggests that things will progress a little at a time, but don't get ahead of yourself. Your looking at the top of the ladder, and you need to watch your footing;).
 

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Ferret,

I just want to give you a big wet kiss. Thankyou.

I'm actually feeling a bit welled up right now. Seriously.
You are clearly a kind heart. Compassion is swimming all around me from your words.

It does all make sense to me now. And what you have said does all fit into place.
The irony is, that a week ago I asked the Yi Jing how I can facilitate our coming together to maximum success. And I was given Hexagram 1 as an answer.

Ofcourse in Hexagram 1 the first 2 lines are pretty much about allowing "influence" to arise in a way (I guess). So I am starting to understand things. ....... I think the only reason I questioned the continuity of hex 1, was because we were in the middle of not speaking at all. I couldn't and didn't want to keep that up! (Anyway, too much information maybe(?) :) ).

So, in conclusion, back off, bond with my kin and my spirituality, allow her to shape things, be modest, modest, modest and watch my footing, right?

Thankyou Ferret. You have taken the cloud away from above my head.

Moses
 
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Ferret,

I just want to give you a big wet kiss. Thankyou.

I'm actually feeling a bit welled up right now. Seriously.
You are clearly a kind heart. Compassion is swimming all around me from your words.

It does all make sense to me now. And what you have said does all fit into place.
The irony is, that a week ago I asked the Yi Jing how I can facilitate our coming together to maximum success. And I was given Hexagram 1 as an answer.

Ofcourse in Hexagram 1 the first 2 lines are pretty much about allowing "influence" to arise in a way (I guess). So I am starting to understand things. ....... I think the only reason I questioned the continuity of hex 1, was because we were in the middle of not speaking at all. I couldn't and didn't want to keep that up! (Anyway, too much information maybe(?) ).

So, in conclusion, back off, bond with my kin and my spirituality, allow her to shape things, be modest, modest, modest and watch my footing, right?

Thankyou Ferret. You have taken the cloud away from above my head.

Moses
Oh, that is so sweet:blush:, I'm so glad this helps you:hug:. And I can see how that could be confusing, getting 1 then 2. Funny, because i had a feeling that was relevant here. When I answered your question I was thinking it was a tricky answer for a man to get, because we usually think of men being more yang or 1 like in relationships. So, I had that in mind when I answered your question, and tried to reconcile the interpretation with the natural yang role men take on in a relationship. I don't think 1 and 2 are mutually exclusive, and in fact are a pair. Nor do I think the Yi is suggesting you assume a traditional female role here. Something being created needs ground to plant in. And your answer doesn't say to me be totally passive. Seems to say create a little at a time, and be receptive to what is being created. Perhaps things aren't developing as you thought they would, but you actually are making progress, but since it doesn't fit in with what you were expecting, things aren't taking root as they should. I see 1 more as create. I see 2 more as the ground what we create grows in. Things usually don't develop as we think they will, and here it looks like it will be in small steps. With that said, the Yi at least I've found, will show us what we need to see, just an angle, doesn't mean it is the only useful way to see things. But be careful with asking too many times. Can get confusing and will start to get odd responses. The Yi will just start scolding you and calling you stupid... Not that I've ever done that:eek:;).
 
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59.2.6 > 8 for "What happens next in my relationship?"

--I see 8 as the scenery in which the question was asked in. You are wondering if the two of you belong together and what is in store for the two of you.

--59 is about things changing into a more free state and reaching out to more expansive places because of this. It is often associated with floods because the water of a flood is now flowing where it usually doesn't. It has broken through the normal boundaries. The oldest character for 59 is a man with a stick and he is poking around with the stick at a cave entrance. I just realized this-- maybe the stick poking around is a symbol of taking that next step into the unknown. Like when something is expanding, searching, reaching out to something it haven't before (like an unexplored cave). Sort of like testing the waters with your toe before jumping in. The water in the flood has decided to proceed with moving over it's normal boundaries. 59 is saying that there is "Harvest is crossing the great river". 59 for this reading, to me is saying, look at the situation through the eyes of someone who is actively trying to proceed into the unknown. Perhaps you could put yourself in the shoes of the guy with the stick?

Now that the 59 shades are on :cool:... let's see what the lines say:
--Line 2 is about something within yourself. Something that helps support you that is yours. Rather than something to reach out to in the distance (or in the unknown darkness of the cave), it is something within. Could be a belief or a house (etc) that is something you can fall back on for 'support'. So even though the overall idea of 59 is to disperse, I see this particular line as showing it is best to rely on yourself and what is within, rather than relying on pushing the boundaries of the relationship.

--Line 6 would seem to say that there are things about the relationship that are making you suffer in a way. And you should distance yourself from them.

It is very hard to tell the dynamics of the relationship. Sometimes other people cause us suffering, and other times we cause ourselves suffering through our thoughts about someone else. I just think this reading is saying that for now it is important for you to step back and distance yourself from the suffering part of the relationship, and to instead focus on you and your strengths. It does say on line 6 'reappear'. So it is also possible that this is just not the right time for the relationship to work, that someone is suffering perhaps, and that if you distance yourself, later things can reappear free of suffering.

Suffering can mean so many things as well, causing you alarm, creating anxiety and fear etc. So this is entirely something you will have to search within yourself for the meaning of. Take care - AQ
 

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Your six line layout
性别:男 起卦方式:直接指定
起卦时间:2012年06月24日04时07分 (move back 3 days for your posting time)
神煞:天乙—酉亥 福星—子戌 日禄—巳 羊刃—午 驿马—寅 桃花—酉 华盖—辰
干支:壬辰年 丙午月 丙辰日 庚寅时
旬空:午未  寅卯  子丑  午未


六神  伏神    离宫:风水涣          坤宫:水地比(归魂)
         【本 卦】           【变 卦】
青龙       ▅▅▅▅▅ 父母辛卯木  ○→ ▅▅ ▅▅ 官鬼戊子水 应
玄武       ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟辛巳火 世   ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙戊戌土  
白虎 妻财己酉金 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙辛未土     ▅▅ ▅▅ 妻财戊申金  
滕蛇 官鬼己亥水 ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊午火     ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母乙卯木 世
勾陈       ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙戊辰土 应○→ ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟乙巳火  
朱雀       ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊寅木     ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙乙未土 

There are 3 yang lines and 3 yin lines in hexagram 59, indicating a triangle relationship. It does not has to be another male or female, it can be interference from parents or friends.

Line 5 = you. Someone else is on you mind if you are a man.
Line 2 = the female friend.
She has somethings else on her mind and does not love you. Line 2 is has child character (soul of the female) assigned to it and suppresses the man in line 5.

Both line 2 and 5 are yang lines. Both do not get along.

Hexagram 59 line 1 and 6 represents the relationship and sits empty under house of marriage (month of reading). This relationship is done deal for now (many months to come).

Line 2 is a change line. The female has migrated her soul to another man who is not you.

In hexgram 59, line 3 = a party with a man hidden behind the door. Line 4 = a soul of a female with a female hidden behind the door. Both man or woman are not stepping out of their spot.

In the change hexagram, the man is taking a step back in line 6 of hexagram 8 (leaving), and the woman is taking a step back in line 4 of hexagram 8 (at the door). Since line 6 is yin for the man and line 4 for the female and it is separated by line 5. You two cannot be together.

You cannot express yourself and get to her.

The man has many female friends because the change hexagram is one yang and five yin. He occupies the king position. However, he has the soul of this female 子孙戊戌土 at heart and this conflicts mildly with the year 壬辰年 dragon year of the reading.

Overall, this relationship is probably done and toasted.

Hexagram 2 is never good for relationship. I do not bother to analyze the change lines.

Make sure your partner is prepared for the long haul. Otherwise, you faced emotional burn out. That magnetic attraction has burned out.

Look for the nearest exit. There are other females if you try.
 

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Wow,

That's pretty straight forward. Thanks for the honesty there Long Yi....

Really, much appreciated! Its actually a totally different way of looking at things that I am used to.
However, there is noone else on my mind. Not at all! Or have I misunderstood?

Moses
 
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I would only add that there is never just one way to respond to such a situation....... Isn't that the whole point to the Yi Jing? To offer/find alternatives?
 
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Also Long Yi,

I am sure there is interference from the outside! This I'm pretty sure of!
But are you sure it is another man? Or could it be a woman.

These questions may seem unintelligent to you, but I am a mere student of the Yi Jing so please bear with me!

Moses
 

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Also Long Yi,

I am sure there is interference from the outside! This I'm pretty sure of!
But are you sure it is another man? Or could it be a woman.

These questions may seem unintelligent to you, but I am a mere student of the Yi Jing so please bear with me!

Moses
 

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Hexagram 8 is equivalent to Tarot Card: 4 of pentacles.

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Symbol- He tries to compromise with her. He is eager.
She agrees to compromise but she is reluctant.
Meaning- seduction

He is generating both high and low level physical energy and is using it to enmesh them physically together. There is not much she can do to prevent him from invading into her personal life.

He is not really the type of person she dreamed about bringing home but that person has never arrived. She is forced to begin generating physical energy. This causes her to think about what she is looking for in a sexual relationship. It is time to be realistic. No one is perfect and she must be willing to compromise if she ever wants to be married.

She is not really in love with him but she has no other prospects in her life at this time either. She cautiously agrees to a much more serious relationship with him. Who knows, maybe it will work out after they get to know each other better.

He is overjoyed at her willingness to go steady and date seriously. He is certain that she will fall in love with him in time. He is madly and passionately in love with her. He is not willing to take it slow and easy.

She begins to absorb physical energy from him and begins to direct his physical activities. He is overjoyed at doing things for her. In this respect they are both using each other to get things that they both want.

She rejects many of her earlier fantasies of the perfect life because they obviously would not come true with him. He is too different from her ideal. Still he is alive and he is all that she has so she will do the best that she can with him.

He is surrounded in love and all embracing feminine warmth. There is nothing left in life to be desired. This is it. This is the dawning of a new day.

Male experience:

He continues to push things. He is madly and passionately in love with her and is certain she will return his passion. He is willing to compromise and do things for her to show her how much he loves her.

They are going steady now and it is almost as if they were already engaged. It would be hard for her to back out of the relationship now. He is forced to be content with the way that things are going.

Female experience:

He is not really what she was looking for but she may never find whom she is looking for. He is a nice person and maybe things could work out between them if she gives it a chance. Almost reluctantly she commits herself to a relationship with him.

She knows that she has already compromised her dream life and she is not willing to compromise any more than she has to. He may not fulfill certain expectations but he had better fulfill other expectations. She expects him to give her the type of life that she wants.

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Of course, there are two sides to every issue and question in a Iching reading. Since the male querent may not fulfill certain expectation and cannot give her the type of life she wants. This also explains why the man (line 6 of hexagram 8) and the female (line 4 of hexagram 8) is separated by happiness and wealth (line 5 hexagram 8)

Line 4 (female 妻财戊申金) and line 6 (male 官鬼戊子水) of hexagram 8 merges with the day of the reading (丙辰) to form water, but no water (happiness). The man does not have a bottom in his emotional well in the house of spouse.

Line 6 means departure. Line 4 is the outer door of a house. In combination, the man can try. "Cold shoulder" is what he may get. Social encounter leads to a complex situation. The female is not sure. Coming on strong is an useless approach.

It is just common sense. If no other female shows an interest, she waits and shops around. If the male tries and compares by going out with other potential females, he will get the answer quick.

From Iching analysis experience, if you get the equivalent of 4 of pentacles, I think this relationship will not survive the challenges of time progression. You can ask her what you are missing in delivery.... communication is the key to break or amend a relationship.:bows:

According to Ma Iching, this is a strange situation. The male and female have reached a new phase of friendship. Either they go separate ways, or the female returns to give the relationship a second try. In any event, long term situation is not good. One can buy temporary happiness. Is it possible in the long term?
 
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Hexagram 2

Hi Long Yi

I was reading your fascinating analysis. You mention that hexagram 2 does not bode well for relationships. Can you specify why please? Thanks!:bows:
 

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There are 8 pure hexagrams, meaning the upper and lower trigrams are the same in these 8 hexagrams. When you get that as the change hexagram or unchange hexagram, this means the romance is over and cannot go anywhere.

Hexagram 2 is one of the 8 pure hexagram. It also has 6 yin lines and no yang line. From the shape, it is hollow. Hollow things do not become real because either party is trying in the male - female relationship.
 

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The thing is Long Yi,

All of these readings I have done and made mention of spring from a reading I did 2 weeks ago.
The question was "How can I facilitate my girlfriend and I coming together for our maximum success?

I received Hexagram 1 (unchanging) as my answer. So hence my answer.

Ofcourse the first line is : Hidden Dragon, donot act.

Do you see my confusion now??

I must also add, that there has been a period of time that I excommunicated myself from the situation to "find my bearings". In this period I didn't speak to this person for three weeks. I made contact with her again at the end of that 3 week period. Thats when I did the reading 56-8.

So it is making sense now. A week went by before I decided to ask the Iching " If I initiate contact again, what will be the outcome of our relationship on a romantic level?"

The answer was 48 line 4 and 2 to Hexagram 31. That was yesterday. Obviously, I endevoured to make contact.

I think my absence from the scene was definitely a factor in things deteriorating.

What do you make of the above answer, is it positive or am I seeing what I want to see?

Moses
 
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Ah yes, yesterday, in the same sitting, I also asked "Dear Yi Jing, Is there anything I can do to move my relationship toward success in romantic terms?"

The answer was Hexagram 24 unchanging.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Moses
 

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On your role in the bonding being 2.2.3 > 46:

My initial thought is this could be stated "Being open and providing what is needed to Ascend". My understanding is that 46 is about having to make an effort.

Ewald Berkers says of this line: Line 2: "Straight through a large and unfamiliar area.
Without disadvantage.Going through unfamiliar territory. There is no disadvantage to that."

Does that speak to your situation? Is there something unfamiliar about the situation that you need to go straight through?

What Berkers says about 2.3 is interesting and may be applicable: "Line 3: Keeping the story to oneself allows for persistence. Somebody relies upon a king's unfinished matters to come to an end.
One is relying on the other to complete something. This unfinished stuff creates a tension. To allow for a continuation, it is better to not speak one's heart.

Perhaps she has some unfinished business that she needs to be focusing on before she can be more consistently available to you.

If I had received 2.2.3 > 46 I might have asked, "What step can I take now?"

To me, Hexagram 2 bodes quite well for a relationship. Think of these words..."Have a direction to go. At first confusion. Later gains a Lord." also, "in the southwest, gaining partners, in the northwest, losing partners." In Hilary's Words of Change "southwest' speaks to no longer being alone while "northwest" is about solitary striving. To me, "2" involves losing loneliness and partnering.
 
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Moses,

I hope the following thoughts on 59.2.6 > 8 will be helpful.

When you ask, "What happens next in my relationship?" I see this as being an auspicious reading. I would put it in the following phrase:

“Dispersing leading to Union”

So whatever is causing the confusion in this relationship can be dispersed. Whatever is causing her to be undecided and to go back and fourth may change. Walls can dissolve. Things can become less rigid.

Different translations of 59.2:
Barrett, “Dispersing, flee to your support. Regrets vanish.”
LiSe (www.yijing.nl) “Disperion. Heading for one’s chance. End of regret.”
Ewald at www.eclecticenergies.com “It dissolves. Rush this opportunity. Aversion goes away.”

So while it could mean that you “flee to your support” in terms of “kin” or your spirituality it could also mean “heading for the chance” of this relationship.

And on 59.6:
Barrett, “Dispersing blood. Leave, go out and far away. Not a mistake.”

LiSe (www.yijing.nl) this time I add her commentary:
“Dispersing one's blood. Departing, being far, going away, no fault.” and her commentary:*
Let go of fears, preconceptions, expectations. Give everything the space to be what it is, don't make yourself part of it, changing it to your own size and ideas. Things happen - so let them happen. Fears and rules make them more difficult than they need to be “

And Ewald Berkers with his commentary gives a different sense (see link to his site above.) “Scattering one’s blood. Leaving to go far away. Without fault.” his commentary: “Leaving a harmful situation, so as to get to safety. It is not wrong to do so.”

The sense I get from what you have shared is that LiSe’s commentary may be more applicable to your particular reading than Berkers. Are there fears, preconceptions, or expectations that you could disperse that might improve things? Or is there something harmful to you about this situation? What might you be doing that is causing her to be undecided and go back and forth? Have you asked her about this?

What is causing walls and problems that needs to be Dispersed so there can be Union?

I suppose it could mean that Dispersing leads to a New Group. But if it means this chance ends and another one begins --- if it is one that is more supporting and without "bad blood", that will also be an auspicious result.
 

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on 48.2.4 > 31

When I have received 48.2 it has been in a situation where each party involved was seeking their own gain without paying attention to the needs of the other. What in your situation may be causing the jug to be cracked and leaking?

When I have received 48.4 it felt like a time when I was needing efforts to repair the cracks in the well so that it wouldn't leak. Communicating is certainly a way of repairing cracks.

As far as 24 --- it is interesting that you asked again after seven days because part of the text for 24 is "The seventh day comes, you return." (Hilary's translation.) Look at the whole "verse":

"Returning, creating success. Going out, coming in, without anxiety. Partners come, not a mistake. Turning around and returning on your path. The seventh day comes, you return. Fruitful to have a direction to go."

I would say with 24, JUST BREATH. (the breath goes in and out without anxiety) Don't think so much about this. I think you will have good news for us soon.

Keep us posted.
 
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Yes, thank you Calling Crane for putting some of my own impressions into words. That was my impression of the 59.2.6>8 reading as well. I think Long Yi has a good point.

According to Ma Iching, this is a strange situation. The male and female have reached a new phase of friendship. Either they go separate ways, or the female returns to give the relationship a second try. In any event, long term situation is not good. One can buy temporary happiness. Is it possible in the long term?
Well, who knows? Only time will tell... Perhaps there is no clear answer to what she will do at this point. She just doesn't know... But, I agree with Calling Crane too. My feeling here is there is a chance, and I like their take on this situation.

Whenever I get 24 UC for relationship questions, that's a heads up that it's my life. My path. Regardless of who joins me on my journey. Start thinking of me, not us, or anyone else. Get centered. Sometimes, actually, quite often, our personal problems can interfere with relationships. When a person creates distace, it's easy to let our focus gravitate to their world, their center. What this or that with X. We fear losing the connection, and this is the result. But this approach, has if anything, drawn my fears to me, causing them to materialize. Why not ask the Yi what is best for you right now, perhaps in your romantic life? If you are truly meant to be together, certainly the Yi will give you an answer that draws you closer together. But 24 is a heads up that you need to get centered to me. There are things within yourself that need attention first. Seems silly to worry about who's coming over when you're not home. Go home, clean house, so when you do receive company, you will be prepared.

Wish you the best Moses:hug:
 

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