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I thought I had a fairly good idea what was going on in this reading, but then I got a response that threw me and based on the repeats, I feel Yi must be trying to get across something important, so I would like your opinions.

Question 1: why am I hesitating to make a decision? 16.1 to 51

Question 2: what direction should I take now? 41.1 to 4

Question 3: what do I need to decrease (in response to the reading of question 2)? 51/1.2.4.6 to 4.

As the answer to question 3 combines the relating hexagrams of the first 2, I want to make very sure I get this right. I just have a strong feeling that something very important is happening in this reading. The way I am reading it is that what I need to decrease is what is keeping from making a decision??? The 4 is throwing me, I've never had a good understanding of it. The best I can get is that I relate it the Fool card in the Tarot, which can indicate the first step in a new journey. The fool is often described as man on his way to experience. Also, does it mean anything that in both the first 2 questions the same line changed? All comments would definately be greatly appreciated.
 
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Seeker, my last interpretation seemed to just make you irritated, so its with reserve that I offer the following.

1) You are hesitating because you are all excited with big images and imaginings. There's a lot of energy in these hexagrams, but its best to keep your mind only on what's real and immediate at this time. (cool your jets, in other words)

2) The right direction at this time is to reduce this extreme energy flow. Its also ok to reduce the amount of effort you're putting into this thing, whatever it is. Don't be thrown by 4, its not Yi's way of putting you down (in spite of what Wilhelm has to say about it). Its simply a state of unknowing. Being content while not knowing can be nerve wracking, but its what's best at this time. "a person on the way to experience" is a great way to put it. There has to be some adventure, and not knowing is what makes it living.

3) This is a play-back to your original question. You need to decrease the extreme excitement and anxiety. 4 again pops up, reminding you that some things you just can't know at this time.

This may not be the most comforting answer from Yi. We generally prefer resolved and certain answers. I know I do. But that's not how life always works. Sometimes there's only the window of unknowing, and we learn to be content with that.
 

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Seeker,

To try to add a little to this, I'm wondering if 16.1 indicates that you are feeling a push from outside yourself towards a certain decision?

..or it could be a push from part of yourself that is not consistent with your core values? (something picked up unconsciously from parents, etc.) someone (or part of yourself) telling you that you *should* do such-and-so? (this would certainly lead to anxiety!)

When one cleans house, moves out the furniture to sweep behind it, takes down the curtains to clean them, takes the broom to the kitchen floor, it always looks worse before it gets better. You may be heading in just the right direction - struggling to follow your deepest values, and yet things will be messy for awhile until the dust settles.

Not inconsistent at all with Candid's reading, just a little different angle... and his suggestion about diffusing the energy/anxiety holds true.

Rinda
 

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Hello seeker,

In my experience the message of hexagram 4 is often: "Learn the rules of the game and accept them or ... don't play."
Or: "There are certain facts that you will have to accept before you can make progress."

I think it relates to what Freud called "the reality principle".
The typical situation is one in which we rebel against facts or rules (or in some cases against an authority, a kind of father figure, that imposes rules or limitations on us) and resort to helpless behavior.
That is usually not particularly helpful ... and the Yi says: come on, this is childish, you can do better than that!

Usually when hex 4 appears it turns out (again in my experience) that there is not really a big problem as soon as we accept the facts or rules or the authority that imposes them. If we put in some effort and are calm and patient it is doable.
But of course we may also decide to give up the game and seek greener grass elsewhere.
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I don't know if this applies in your case, does it?
If it does, hex 51 suggests that your state of mind is one of excitement and maybe irritation, not really 'calm and patient'. Perhaps 51 to 4 (the answer to your third question) simply says that you should try to get rid of this excited state?
 

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I posted before I read the answers of Candid and Rinda and this is what I like so much about this site: although there are similarities everybody approaches the subject from a different angle and every perspective reveals something new.

Amazing!
 
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I appreciate all the responses. Candid, not sure which post you were referring to, but I have never been irritated by your responses. I'm really sorry if you interpreted one of my responses that way. Sometimes things come across wrong when I'm typing instead of talking. Could you clarify what you mean by excited by imaginings. I normally interpret the word excited as happy, but I am most definately not happy in this situation, or do you mean I am imaging problems that aren't there or aren't as big as I am making them? You are right in that I am putting a lot of effort into things, because yes, I do want an answer. I am tired of waiting.

Rinda, your point also makes sense. Everytime I try to make the decision I think I want, I feel a sense of panic, and I don't know where it is coming from, which is what prompted my first question.

Martin, its definately irritation. I just feel in limbo and I want to get out of the situation. I'm tired of waiting, but from what you said I think Yi is telling me I have to continue waiting anyway because I don't have all the facts yet. Your analogy of a game is a good one. Maybe the point is I'm trying to score a home run without running the bases and what I really is a time out
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Thanks again for all the input.
 
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Seeker, I meant excited as in over stimulated or shaken up. 51 is the sign of the arousing, and rather than being overly aroused it moves us toward calmness as a solution. 16 is also excitement, but such enthusiasm is no guarantee of correctness or realness. Sometimes its just an exaggerated emotional response to something.
 
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Seeker, this is not to underplay the significance of your situation, nor does it imply your emotions are unjustified. But it does well to reduce (decrease) the effects of this upheaval. Then you may be more able to decide with greater clarity of mind.
 
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Yes, I'm working on that clarity of mind thing. I just finished Dan Millman's Way of the Peaceful Warrior. The part about the mind was particularly illuminating. I never realized before that my mind is never quiet, it babbles on worse than my six year old, like a freaking Chatty Cathy. Even when I sit in complete silence, my mind is going a mile a minute, usually about nothing. I daydream, plan my day, plan out conversations or emails, but it just rambles. I don't decide to think about things, I just do. There is no way to have clear thought with all that noise. Reducing the effects, yes. Millman also talks about experiencing emotion but not being controlled by it, basically action vs reaction. Working on that too. Thanks again for the input.
 
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Stopping the inner chatter isn't possible so long as we are breathing and thinking beings, but it is possible to slow it down considerably. In this way our thoughts stay current in the moment. Easier said than done, but we do the best we can.

Best to you.
 
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I just want mine to slow down and have more direction. And I want it to stop interfering with my awareness. I'm doing little exercises throughout the day of stopping my thoughts just for a few minutes and focusing on the sights and sounds around me. I can't believe how much I have been missing. It's like I've been partially blind and hard of hearing. Years ago in my magical studies I was told I needed to be more grounded, so I worked very hard to be so. What I have come to realize is that I have not been grounded, I have been disconnected. I've just been drifting through life. I think that is part of what Yi has been trying to tell me. I found another interpretation for 16 at the bookstore that talked about the right action at the right time. Combined with some other answers I have gotten, I think Yi is telling me that I have to finish this part of the journey, the self awareness part, before I can make any decisions. And I think it is also telling me that the dance is not over, there is more to come. I have gotten the feeling that a big change is coming, something that will change everything, possibly even the dynamics of the decision itself. In the end, the question I have to answer may change entirely. thanks again for all your help and for just listening
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Seeker, I'd love to say how I've risen above these sorts of things but I'd be bull*****ng you. Its a constent effort to stay focused on the present.

I chuckled reading "I'm doing little exercises throughout the day of stopping my thoughts just for a few minutes and focusing on the sights and sounds around me. I can't believe how much I have been missing." I take early morning walks with my dog. Its so beautiful and peaceful then; the desert mountains appear pastel in the distance. Birds and rabbits are everywhere moving. The air is fresh and clean. And there I am, walking, walking and pondering so intensely that I fail to see the truth and beauty that is all around me. So like yourself, I'm using that time to excercise 'now-ness'. That's where the grounding is.

Its my pleasure to listen and engage you in this.
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Thank you too.
 
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Wow, sounds like you live in a really nice area close to nature. I'm not a morning person. I've set my clock earlier trying to get up and enjoy some of the morning before I have to get ready for work, but I can't seem to drag myself out of bed. I Live in the city, but I'm only 15 minutes from the beach. Unfortunately, its always crowded, still enjoyable, but I would love to be down there by myself sometimes. Exercises are going ok. I made it from the parking lot to my office today without a single thought. Short distance, but I was proud of myself
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