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Rise of Conspiracy Theories: 16 uc and 29.2 to 8

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Since 2016, we have seen the rise of conspiracy theories, such as flat Earthers, the anti-vaxxers, and the birthers. Now, the anti-vaxxers have ruined medical advancement.

Why was there a rise of conspiracy theory believers? 16 Enthusiasm. Is it because they are emboldened by Trump?

What would it take for conspiracy theory believers to die down? 29.2 Repeating Chasms to 8 Seeking Union.
Line 2 says, "The chasm has sheer sides. Seek small gains." Does it mean that the believers have to go down deeper?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that they need to go around in circles until some truth gets them out?
 

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Since 2016, we have seen the rise of conspiracy theories, such as flat Earthers, the anti-vaxxers, and the birthers. Now, the anti-vaxxers have ruined medical advancement.

Why was there a rise of conspiracy theory believers? 16 Enthusiasm. Is it because they are emboldened by Trump?

What would it take for conspiracy theory believers to die down? 29.2 Repeating Chasms to 8 Seeking Union.
Line 2 says, "The chasm has sheer sides. Seek small gains." Does it mean that the believers have to go down deeper?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that they need to go around in circles until some truth gets them out?
Yes, seek small gains seems to indicate that progress can be made with regard to conspiracy theories but that change will come in small steps, perhaps with union with better leadership?
 

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Have you notice that about 30% or more of humanity overall is dumb? I mean, they live in buildings, wear clothes, shave, drive cars,
but really... otherwise they are packing 25 watt bulbs.
The gullible (and drunken) are easily influenced by enthusiasm & charisma, in our increasingly isolated digitally addicted world, facebook offers an artificial community that is very attractive to isolated people. Look at Alex Jones, people mistake his bluster (which is a technique he uses to hawk diet pills and gun accessories) for confidence and leadership whilst he spews nonesensical conspiracy theories to the gullible.
Then a dummy shows up at a pizza parlor (Pizzagate) armed with assault weapons,
because a political operative pushes lies that may harm his political opponents.
The gunmans response when apprehended,
"Oh, I guess I got bad information."
Those who knowing spread dangerous lies are a particularly repulsive kind of evil.


29.2? you can only accomplish so much with the gullible, a minor teaching here and there, to immerse yourself, would be to subject yourself to their idiocy.

Resident Rump pushed conspiracy theories himself, he was one of the main pushers of the Birthers. He associates with Tabloid owners of The National Enquirer magazine and Fox 'news', owned by the wealthy tabloidist Rupert Murdoch.
 
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Resident Rump pushed conspiracy theories himself, he was one of the main pushers of the Birthers. He associates with Tabloid owners of The National Enquirer magazine and Fox 'news', owned by the wealthy tabloidist Rupert Murdoch.
Absolutely.
 

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Conspiracy theory entails a perverse version of the bandwagon effect (Gua 16). People actually don't want to take the majority view because they won't feel special or woke enough. But they do have enough social support to march forth and proclaim the word. They have to somehow learn that they have gone too far (29.2) before fully rejoining society (08).
 
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Conspiracy theory entails is a perverse version of the bandwagon effect (Gua 16). People actually don't want to take the majority view because they won't feel special or woke enough. But they do have enough social support to march forth and proclaim the word. They have to somehow learn that they have gone too far (29.2) before fully rejoining society (08).
That’s an excellent interpretation. (y)
 

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Conspiracy theory entails a perverse version of the bandwagon effect (Gua 16).

People actually don't want to take the majority view because they won't feel special or woke enough ....
Bradford, I assume you're talking about 'jumping on the bandwagon', but I don't see the connection with 16?

Best, D.
 

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He may have been referring to the effect of psychic entrainment that Enthusiasm and Charisma can have on other people.

Think how marches have marching bands,
and how people unconsciously are moved to goose step to drums and trumpets.
 

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Fredda- Moss Ek explained some of it it.
I didn't say "jumping on the bandwagon," I said bandwagon effect.
It's a technical term that's used a lot in psychology (as a cognitive bias) and sociology.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect
16 is about getting swept up and swept along, to synch movement with others.
"Worthwhile to establish delegates and mobilize the reserves"
 

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Fredda- Moss Ek explained some of it it. I didn't say "jumping on the bandwagon," I said bandwagon effect ....
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect
16 is about getting swept up and swept along, to synch movement with others.
"Worthwhile to establish delegates and mobilize the reserves"
Thanks Bradford and Moss Elk. I guess when I referred to 'jumping on ...' it was along the lines of what the Wiki article says about the bandwagon effect: As more people come to believe in something, others also "hop on the bandwagon" regardless of the underlying evidence. But I didn't make that clear I'm sure.

I get the idea of the bandwagon effect, but I still don't fully get it's relationship / tie in / shared meaning with 16 - 'Worthwhile to establish delegates and mobilize the reserves.' I am not saying this is wrong, only I need to explore it a bit more to understand this connection.

But assuming that 16 refers to this 'bandwagon effect' and how that relates to the 'rise of conspiracy theories', I went back and looked at the original post, where the thread's author says:

Since 2016, we have seen the rise of conspiracy theories, such as flat Earthers, the anti-vaxxers, and the birthers .... Why was there a rise of conspiracy theory believers? 16 Enthusiasm. Is it because they are emboldened by Trump?

This made me wonder, is the Yi's response about these other people's conspiracy theories - the birthers, flat-earthers, and vaxxers - or could it be pointing to the author's own 'jumping on a popular bandwagon', and buying into conspiracty theories in his own right?

After all, anti-vaccination theories have been around since the 1970s-1980s, the birther movement has been with us since 2008 (and Trump jumped on that particular bandwagon around 2010), and flat-earthers have been around since ... when? Maybe the 2nd century b.c. - but certainly well before Trump.

So who's zooming whom here? It seems that their are all sorts of bandwagons we can jump on, and not all are of Trump's making.

Best, D.
 
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Freedda,

16, Enthusiasm is how con men convince you to buy snake oil. They work themselves up into an enthusiastic display (playing a song), that is contagious, and thereby control you into getting what they want: your money. If they are not the con man, then they are a thrall inviting you to join their club.

Now do you get it?
 
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Freedda, 16, Enthusiasm is how con men convince you to buy snake oil. They work themselves up into an enthusiastic display (playing a song), that is contagious, and thereby control you into getting what they want: your money. If they are not the con man, then they are a thrall inviting you to join their club ... Now do you get it?
Thanks Moss Elk, sorry, I may be being dense here, but I'm just not seeing the connection to:

16.0, 'Readiness Worthwhile to establish delegates and mobilize the reserves.'

Maybe you can make that more clear for me. I'm not saying nay (and certainly not that this Gua would always have a 'positive' meaning), but generally, I see 16 as: 'it's good to get support and help from others; and it's good to make ready your resources (for a particular effort)'.

So, maybe ??? ... it could be: to gain support or gather resources for something that has no underlying truth to it or no real substance - a.k.a. a conspiracy theory? Or something like that?

Best, D. Freedda (a.k.a not Mr. Fred)
 

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How about this:

The people are all lollygagging around playing dominoes, polishing their grandfathers antique swords, and counting cobwebs.

An energized guy, who is also quite handsome, runs in the room with a trumpet, "to arms! to arms!, the ufo's are coming for us!" How amazing he looks and sounds!
How dashing! How daring!
How Invigorating this is!

The people (the reserves) are riled up (mobilized) to action by the Enthusiasm.

Trumpet guy runs out the back door with a pocketful of wallets.

Don't forget the "!"
It is very important.
 
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