"Should I get a Boob Job?"

[hippiebarbie123]

I got 49 to 13

I think it's saying that i need to make fine, steady changes instead of going overboard and changing superficially, too fast.. and that i need to stay true to myself instead of conforming to what i think other people want. So i think that i should do it but just don't go too much bigger. My reasons for wanting it is partly for my future career in which i will be in the public eye and wanting to look my best.. and partly because i, myself, want to look how I want to look... i ALWAYS wear push-up bras with padding. Also this isn't the only procedure i want, i also want to make other little changes. But i asked about my breast augmentation because it's the only one i'm not 100% sure about. probably because i know i don't really need it because i see a lot of women embracing their smaller chests, but i think it would be an improvement for me and it would still be being true to myself since i actually would be happier & more comfortable with bigger. So yeah what i got from this is that i should get them but i shouldn't be drastic & i should preserve my natural beauty and not look like a different person. What do you think?

Also i'm supposed to be moving soon... i can either make the choice to move now or wait until the new year but i want to move as soon as possible.... By the way i can only get my breast augmentation after i move... It's definitely time for a big change in my life & lifestyle. It's just around the corner, and MUCH needed. Moving to where i want to live and doing what i want to do, and being more independent.

Oh and! I'm new to this, and when i got that answer i thought it was so weird/interesting that it was so related to my question lol. Can someone tell me how this works? Where do the answers really come from?

 

[Lavalamp]

"Should I get a boob job?"

Relating hex; 13 MANkind
(not so important as in a single line reading the main thing is the line. But I guess it may say this idea is about MANkind in some way...)

49.6 A superficial change that does not bring good fortune, better to stay where you are. A superior person works on their character/content/talent, this is of greater beauty.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

However, perhaps a personal consultation here would be more definitive!

- LL

 

[MoonCatcher]

I think the Yi is saying go for it but know when to stop.

The whole "revolution" sort of hexagram - is metaphorical for you protesting against being stuck with a body you're not satisfied with. Line 6 is probably saying - either don't go too far with the size OR don't have anymore plastic surgery after this.

I think that 13 is advising you to seek proper support.

I think what lavalamp pointed out is of value... but in my personal opinion, if something makes you feel a little bit better in life then there's no harm in it. There's only a problem if you feel it will change your deeper insecurities.

 

[Lavalamp]

Mooncatcher, I do not personally oppose cosmetic surgery, but the question is what the Yi's advice is, and 49.6 pretty clearly says "no."

Legge "To go forward now would lead to evil, but there will be good fortune in abiding firm and correct."

Cleary " Superior people transform, inferior people change on the surface. To go on an expedition is unlucky, to remain correct is auspicious. "

Maybe her surgeon might botch it or something? (unlucky it says.)

- LL

 

[Tohpol]

I got 49 to 13

I think it's saying that i need to make fine, steady changes instead of going overboard and changing superficially, too fast.. and that i need to stay true to myself instead of conforming to what i think other people want. So i think that i should do it but just don't go too much bigger.

I think you interpreted very well what the Yi was offering - except for your last sentence which was kinda like a rationalisation in order to do it anyway. In other words, this is the line of slipping back to old habits and beliefs within a process of change and if you follow these impish desires, ultimately, they won't give you want you need. It's a bit like...Okay you're got to the end of the journey things are shaping up nicely but now you need to cool your horses a bit.

This is what Wikiwing has to say on line 6:

"This is not a good time to go rushing off to the borders to try to make everything perfect. It's a good time to consolidate your own change at the centre, and rest content with what others are capable of."

It sounds like you may have gone through some major changes already and you're in the period where the finishing touches can be made. But I think it's more inner than outer. This line shows us that things can go belly up if we pursue certain ideas even though we are generally in a good position it's still about maintaining union and fellowship within (13) There's no need for perfection, or to reply to externals - you can stay exactly as you are. Perhaps all you need now is some peace and stability?

All the best

 

[kincadefoster]

personally I find fake breasts UNATTRACTIVE. Please don't get them, real is real. I have a friend who has them and some people like them, I don't. In fact the only reason I have any attraction to her is that she has VERY pretty eyes, if she didn't have those I wouldn't even think she was beautiful...

 

[MoonCatcher]

Hey lava lamp... I've been using the i-ching for a few years now, I don't think there's a very clear cut "yes or no" in my experience. It seems that she has her mind set on this surgery but instinctively knows she should hold her horses which is why she consulted Yi in the first place.

The only thing that seems clear is that this girl is rushing towards an idea of perfection and may not understand the risks of undergoing this procedure. In this sense it can go very wrong. I've been in that position myself and thank God I waited a few years before doing what I did.

I personally don't think the Yi is clearly saying no - I think it's saying don't do it right now, don't rush. I get this feeling from other modern interpretations. Pathfinder.com says:

6

To attain maximum success in a revolution is like traveling to a faraway land; you must know when and where to stop. Otherwise you may find yourself in the end lost and in danger, overshooting your desired destination by some critical distance. Take your changes only as far as necessary to remove the corruption, and then stop to maintain your good fortune.

Then there's:

http://www.oracle-of-love.info/olbulk/hex49.html which gives simple interpretations

and Taoscopy

Line 6

"Hexagram 49
Friends ask one to wait for them before reforming."

well you may be right about the botched surgery - it seems that 13 is advising she should do some research, since there are communities like "Realself.com" that talk about their experiences with surgeons.

 

[Lavalamp]

Even in your translation the advice in the line says stop Mooncatcher:
"... stop to maintain your good fortune."

And for example, if you asked me "Should I have a boob job?" and I said to you "You gotta know when to stop" that's pretty much a "not a good idea" answer. That's what your translation says too, no?

The querent can always revisit a question at a later date, as circumstances do change, this is why it is called the "Book Of Changes."

- LL

 

[andrea]

Also, I get the notion from 49.6 that any visible change is only a beginning. Most people I know consider cosmetic surgery because they'd like their outsides to better match up with the kind of person they think they are, or would like the confidence to be. Who is that person for you? Someone softer, generous, more pillow-y, perhaps? Someone helping create harmony among the people in your purview (especially the place you're moving to), as in the contextual hex 13?

Surgery comes with some risk at the best of times. It's rough on the body -- that warning is explicit in the line text -- and by itself it won't change anything about your way of being in the world. That transformation can't rely on appearance alone.

But if looking different helps remind you of the role you want to occupy, so that you can go forth and be that person with confidence and conviction, then you might derive some value from the surgery.

(Also, forgive me for pointing out that the combination of this question and your username made me laugh out loud before I even read the question.)

 

[MoonCatcher]

I think Andrea is spot on.

Lavalamp - I'm sorry to be picky but if someone said to me "you need to know when to stop" and I'd never had any cosmetic surgery before - my response would be "hang on! Why? It's just a boob job!"

Which actually begs the question... Hippiebarbie... have you already undergone multiple procedures? (Botox, lipo, nose job etc.) if so - then lava lamp is right, the Yi is telling you to stop.

If this is your first cosmetic procedure, then I think one needs to look at the interpretation as a whole rather than picking one point in it. Cosmetic surgery can be addictive. First it's a boob job, then jaw implants, then a tweak on the nose, then a bit of lipo... before you know it, you've gone too far.

 

[MoonCatcher]

Sorry - actually I just re-read the original post and found this vital piece of information.

"Also this isn't the only procedure i want, i also want to make other little changes."

I think the Yi is definitely picking up on this and warning you that these other little changes will not bring you good fortune. Do one thing, the thing that bugs you the most and then stop.

 

[Trojina]

At this point I feel it is time to consider whether hippiebarbie will ever return to this thread. It's just in my experience here when a topic is a little controversial it can get 100s of responses and the original querant is never seen again ! Meanwhile everyone is getting in a stew arguing over the interpretation. I've seen it so often I thought it worth mentioning. The other side to this also is that questions like this can get many responses, because of what it's about, while other threads go unanswered. If the person doesn't return one can wonder 'well what was that all about'. I'm speaking generally, hippiebarbie may well return it's just this reminds me of threads where this has happened.

Lavalamp - I'm sorry to be picky but if someone said to me "you need to know when to stop" and I'd never had any cosmetic surgery before - my response would be "hang on! Why? It's just a boob job!"

a 'boob job' as far as I can see is hacking a perfectly whole healthy pair of breasts around for no good reason and endangering one's health. Unless there's a good reason such as a deformity there can never be 'just a boob job' can there ? I mean it's not like having your ears pierced, it's surgery and it costs a lot of money. Just because it seems a 'normal' thing to do in some parts of modern society really doesn't mean it is.

Which actually begs the question... Hippiebarbie... have you already undergone multiple procedures? (Botox, lipo, nose job etc.) if so - then lava lamp is right, the Yi is telling you to stop.

Well no the answer pretty clearly says, if you read the words of the I Ching (rather than people's ideas about what it says) that it isn't time to rush about trying to perfect things. Topal had it right. Will quote from Yi.

‘Noble one transforms as a leopard,
Small people change their faces.
Setting out to bring order: pitfall.
Staying put with constancy: good fortune.’

Putting personal opinion aside...this does not say 'yes go and have your breasts operated on'. Infact she got it right in the first place when she said

I think it's saying that i need to make fine, steady changes instead of going overboard and changing superficially, too fast.. and that i need to stay true to myself instead of conforming to what i think other people want. So i think that i should do it but just don't go too much bigger

That's it ! She hit the nail exactly on the head. It is small people who change their faces. A breast job here would be something a small person would do in order to fit in with current trends. Noble one transforms as a leopard.....doesn't need a boob job to transform at all. It also clearly says 'setting out to bring order: pitfall. Staying put with constancy: good fortune'. So staying still not adapting is good, running about adapting is a 'pitfall' so that seems very clear to me.

Taking the commentary from Hilary's book this seems very fitting. She says :

The small people would never initiate change themselves but make superficial alterations to fit in with it as best they can.

Unless a person has some deformity a boob job is a superficial alteration done just to fit in what other people think. I tend to see it as criminal damage to a healthy body. I think it's an awful trend and I think it needs to stop being seen as acceptable. Young women are ruining their own good bodies for the sake of fitting in. We laugh at how women used to wear corsets and faint but that was nothing compared to this trend. But even putting opinion aside this reading just could not be clearer....it is beautifully clear and it most clearly says 'don't get a boob job'.

If you think it says 'go and get a boob job' I'd like to know where in the words of the I Ching you think it says that ? I don't mean picking out what someone else said which is not connected to the Yi in any way, I mean from the actual translation which says 'pitfall' for adaptation.

Andrea said

Surgery comes with some risk at the best of times. It's rough on the body -- that warning is explicit in the line text -- and by itself it won't change anything about your way of being in the world. That transformation can't rely on appearance alone.

Yes

But if looking different helps remind you of the role you want to occupy, so that you can go forth and be that person with confidence and conviction, then you might derive some value from the surgery

How can carving your breasts up ever give a person 'confidence and conviction' ? I've heard this before and it's always struck me as bizarre, untrue. I guess there are special cases in changing gender and so on where it is necessary and it might be true, but as just a 'regular' procedure I find this practice very worrying. It's yet another way to get rich through making young women feel insecure about the breasts nature gave them which by and large were exactly the right breasts in the first place.

 

[hippiebarbie123]

Thanks to everyone for your responses and interpretations! I read them all & I took them into consideration... Some of y'all are saying that it says don't do it and some are saying it says that i should do it, but just don't go overboard... I'm leaning towards the latter! I've definitely gone through an internal journey as far as learning who i really am and how to be the best me i can be. and i feel like getting my boobs done won't change that or hide who i am inside. However i'll probably go for a more natural look instead of going really big like i originally planned! So that it can be a smooth barely-noticeable change like an animal shedding it's skin

 

[hippiebarbie123]

The only thing that seems clear is that this girl is rushing towards an idea of perfection and may not understand the risks of undergoing this procedure. In this sense it can go very wrong. I've been in that position myself and thank God I waited a few years before doing what I did.

I personally don't think the Yi is clearly saying no - I think it's saying don't do it right now, don't rush. I get this feeling from other modern interpretations. Pathfinder.com says:

6

To attain maximum success in a revolution is like traveling to a faraway land; you must know when and where to stop. Otherwise you may find yourself in the end lost and in danger, overshooting your desired destination by some critical distance. Take your changes only as far as necessary to remove the corruption, and then stop to maintain your good fortune.

Then there's:

http://www.oracle-of-love.info/olbulk/hex49.html which gives simple interpretations

and Taoscopy

Line 6

"Hexagram 49
Friends ask one to wait for them before reforming."

well you may be right about the botched surgery - it seems that 13 is advising she should do some research, since there are communities like "Realself.com" that talk about their experiences with surgeons.

Agreed! And i actually do have a RealSelf.com account (same alias lol), I've been doing my research on breast augmentations for a while now and even went to a few consultations this summer. I probably will end up waiting a few months just so I can pay in cash. So like February-ish. Small chance that i will completely change my mind by then & not want to get it anymore.. but as of now that's the plan

 

[altair139]

Hopefully I'm not too late
49.6 is about a drastic change (from you) but it won't be the solution you're looking for, as things will turn in another way that's still bad for you (the villain also changes drastically). It's almost like what you're changing is not the core of the problem. Here it seems you're just trying to improve your image in the public's eyes but you know, sometimes a boob job is so obvious that it will leave a negative effect on your audience.

13 is about you and your audience. If you have gone for the boob job, the next time you meet your audience again it won't be very satisfactory as the corresponding line 6 of 13 indicates: "The fellowship is met but won't be satisfactory, no regret however. ". It seems your boobjob won't make an impact on your audience like you hoped, but you probably won't regret over it too much.

 

[canislulu]

Thank you, hippiebarbie123 for posting this thread. I am sure that you will make the proper decision.

When I look at the visual aspects of your reading I notice that the upper trigram of H 49 looks like a breast, with the top yin line looking like a nipple. Then the outer trigram changes into the trigram for HEAVEN....a heavenly boob?