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Should I register with the regulatory college for psychotherapy? 23.3.5.6 > 39

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Hi all,

I decided few months ago I wasn't certain about becoming registered to be a psychotherapist, but today I was second guessing the idea and decided to consult the I Ching. So I asked "Should I register with the regulatory college for psychotherapy?" and was told 23.3.5.6 > 39 by the I Ching.

Reading a little bit about this result, I'm thinking it's telling me no. But there's several changing lines at play too. In the event that there are 3, is it right that the middle one is most important? If so, it seems to me that if I went that route it could work out, as any route would work. I'm not sure the line matches up with the rest of the result though.
 

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Should I register with the regulatory college for psychotherapy?
23.3.5.6 > 39


23.5 Favor comes through the court ladies. Taking the 'court ladies' as the regulatory college, then yes. Also, the hexagrams seem appropriate for psychotherapy. The bed (23), the couch being the archetypal support for a patient in psychotherapy, and 39, difficulty in walking. That is, psychological impediments.
 

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I usually consult the middle line when three lines are moving, but in this case I feel the top line is very important, too. Line 6 moving in 23 suggests that by registering with the college, you will effectively escape the yin situation which has been encroaching upon you and which has been hampering you. I take the 39 (limping) to indicate the present state of affairs with which you are confronted, obstacles. In other words, the way to transcend the obstacles is to register with the college and do the necessary work.
 

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Interesting, two different explanations to come to the answer of yes. Funny i was thinking it was a no, but maybe that's partly what I had hoped to hear too, something may be holding me back or causing me to limp maybe.

I just asked: What is there holding me back from registering with the regulatory college? hexagram 50, the cauldron. I found this to be an odd response, I don't know what it's saying about my question, feels like it might be saying "Nothing is holding you back, you have all that you need."
 

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What is there holding me back from registering with the regulatory college?
50 unchanging


The Image

Fire over wood:
The image of the Cauldron.
Thus the superior man consolidates his fate
By making his position correct.

Why don't you want to make your position correct? What does registering symbolize to you? If you make this commitment, do you feel you will lose your freedom? It is as if a lid is being put on your life.
 

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I'm not sure I want to do something that would categorize myself or cause a separation from others. I already feel I have enough of that without anything purposefully done, I think. Being a professional would suggest I'm above others, and I don't want to be above others, I don't feel I have that strong of self-esteem to make me have a need or desire for that, if that makes sense...
 

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Wouldn't being a professional mean that you agree to adhere to public standards? It's a form of discipline. The superior person in my opinion is the one who gets the work done, whether or not with a title or badge. In that sense I don't mind being above others and don't mind others being above me.
 

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magnus,

could you provide some explanation what that college is and the course their offer ?
 

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Wow Magnus this entry is so loaded with important information.

I'm not sure I want to do something that would categorize myself or cause a separation from others. I already feel I have enough of that without anything purposefully done, I think. Being a professional would suggest I'm above others, and I don't want to be above others, I don't feel I have that strong of self-esteem to make me have a need or desire for that, if that makes sense...

Anyone may catagorize you in thier head anyway they will.
and only those with inferiority or dominance issues usually do so.
Its good to seperate yourself from people (and thoughts) like this, isnt it?

Above others? We all possess different strengths, weaknesses, and talents.
This makes us Diffferent, not above. And to not utalize your talents for the public good is a waste of talent.

You dont feel comfortable in a leadership role it seems but,
you can grow into that.

Your post reminds me of parts of myself. I grew up surrounded by many jealous, angry, petty people.
They saw everyone who had something they did not, or was something they were not, as
someone who 'thought they were better" than them and freely gossiped hatefully or worse.
I learned to keep a low profile around them and not to shine in their presence.
maybe you did too.
 

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Some professionals become distant and separate, but others retain their common humanity and are in a marvelous position to help people. I think that's up to you and fully under your own control -- whether or not you become aloof. I tend to think it would be a good idea for you to get your credentials by getting the proper education. I notice how you tend to see all sides of a question, and that's a good quality in a psychotherapist. Your hex 50 means, I think, that there's nothing holding you back except WORRY.
 

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magnus,

could you provide some explanation what that college is and the course their offer ?
It's called a college, but it's basically a body that regulates a profession rather than being an institution of higher learning so much. It isn't yet fully in place, and that's part of what bothers me is that it's all new and kinks being worked out etc. The idea of it is to regulate who can practice and who cannot, because it's always been the case here that anyone can put up a shingle and call themselves a therapist and that leaves things wide open.
 

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I saw these posts all earlier, but it wasn't logging in for me so I decided to step away and try again now.
Wow Magnus this entry is so loaded with important information.

Anyone may categorize you in their head anyway they will.
and only those with inferiority or dominance issues usually do so.
Its good to separate yourself from people (and thoughts) like this, isnt it?

Above others? We all possess different strengths, weaknesses, and talents.
This makes us Different, not above. And to not utilize your talents for the public good is a waste of talent.

You dont feel comfortable in a leadership role it seems but,
you can grow into that.

Your post reminds me of parts of myself. I grew up surrounded by many jealous, angry, petty people.
They saw everyone who had something they did not, or was something they were not, as
someone who 'thought they were better" than them and freely gossiped hatefully or worse.
I learned to keep a low profile around them and not to shine in their presence.
maybe you did too.
I never have felt comfortable in internship sessions where a client would position me as the "expert" because I am not, and probably never will be an expert on anything, I find that with people I often want to go on more of an intuitive approach than a total by the book mentality. That's not to say I would not follow ethical guidelines and health & safety guidelines that might come into play in any given situation, because I do my best to ensure the health and safety of others as well as being ethical in my practice.

I feel I can either be a psychotherapist, or could help people in other ways such as via expressing myself in writing and publishing. I guess some worry about whether writing could cause fame, and fame interfere with the therapy aspect of the job, but that being said, if it got in the way, I could always focus on the writing and do lectures/seminars and whatnot if my life were to draw me in that direction while setting aside the therapy when it became more difficult to do properly if that were the case. I just know I cannot be all things to all people at the same time, and being a perfectionist, I want to do the "right" thing, rather than just settling on something that may or may not be the ideal choice.

Some professionals become distant and separate, but others retain their common humanity and are in a marvelous position to help people. I think that's up to you and fully under your own control -- whether or not you become aloof. I tend to think it would be a good idea for you to get your credentials by getting the proper education. I notice how you tend to see all sides of a question, and that's a good quality in a psychotherapist. Your hex 50 means, I think, that there's nothing holding you back except WORRY.
I am indeed, a worrier. I agree with you that some professionals could become distant and separate where others could retain common humanity etc. Kind of relates to the above comments I made regarding the other post, that I could alter my path depending on circumstances that I am faced with in a professional sense. One thing that got me considering not doing psychotherapy is that a supervisor in a practicum advised me to go back and do more academic studies, which I did. I didn't feel that more knowledge was helping me gain more skill and confidence in practice though. I also failed one course where I and a professor weren't seeing eye to eye which pushed my confidence in psychotherapy as a profession for me down. These two things got me really thinking about doing something else, but helping people has always been a central passion so I feel like I've been at a standstill in the career realm since I finished my academic studies. I've volunteered, but that's as far as things have gone. I'm not sure if that is because it's not the right path for me or because I'm not pushing enough for a career in the field.
 

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I decided I'd see what the I Ching has to say to this question:

Should my career go in the direction of psychotherapy at this time? 14 unchanging

but wasn't feeling sure if it was an appropriate question to ask given my previous consultations, and asked another:

What do I need to do to move forward with my career? 16.2 > 40.

I find the second one interesting because I cast a question that I cannot remember the wording of regarding career path (thinking it was "What's holding me back" but unsure so I cast again), and got 40 > 16, but since I hadn't noted my wording I asked the question "What do I need to do to move forward..." and it gave the opposite order of hexagrams.
 

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The idea of it is to regulate who can practice and who cannot, because it's always been the case here that anyone can put up a shingle and call themselves a therapist and that leaves things wide open.

Thanks for explaining. What you said its a phenomenon very common here too. Imo, its pretty dangerous because we deal with human lifes and those seek a therapist sometimes are in a very vulnerable state.

don't know what to say about your reading because it seems its not about enrolling to the college but a step back, whether you want to be a psychotherapist or not. 39, 50 and 16.2 40.2 might point to that direction.

Maybe you have that seed, and need to "articulate" it. Are you afraid that you might be rejected and don't get accreditation ? Many bodies , if not all, require personal therapy. Have you done that or if not does it worry you ? Someone told me that in US in not a must nowadays.

Also , this profession it has the potential to harm the practitioner. Its very important, imo, to get all the tools to protect yourself. An "expert" its not only privileges or high status its responsibilities too towards your clients and mostly important towards yourself.

You have some very famous professional here that the maintain some setting and from people I know , professional and trainees , its a hell. I do not consider them as psychotherapists but strictly businessmen. I think is not about the occupation itself but the aspiration an individual has.

I hope you take your time and make the best - for yourself - decisions. Best wishes.
 

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Thanks for clarifying that, about the college. If you don't want to go through the credentialing process, you might consider calling yourself a Life Coach instead. A Life Coach is like a psychotherapist but there is no need to give the client a diagnosis and treat them as if they were a patient. This makes a huge difference in how the "therapy" is conducted, since there is no need to see them as sick in the first place. I think Life Coaches see their clients as being within normal limits of what is human and there is no need to make "patients" out of them. This also relieves the practitioner of the burden of having to cure the sick patient; that is, be the expert on healing the psyche. A life coach sees the client as basically healthy and just having some issues they need help with.
 

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Thanks for all the comments, insight and whatnot! I like the mention you make of Life Coach, ginnie! I think that could be a good role to have, and I like the title as it's about helping people not necessarily in the patient/therapist way but being a guide/coach.

Anemos, my understanding is that psychotherapy and working with clients on a treatment level can be really stressful and difficult. I can understand a need to back up from an emotional connection and work on a "business" level so as to maintain a level of sanity and be able to live with the self. If you become too involved and attached to anyone you're going to have some trouble, whereas if you regularly think of people as someone you're doing a business transaction with where you provide a service and they pay you for it then that could easily give you space to separate yourself somewhat. I do know therapy can be quite hard on the therapist, so protecting the self is necessary. The USA is no doubt different from Canada or other countries for sure. It can vary from state to state as far as what is necessary for regulation too, I would bet.

It was mentioned that I did not specifically ask about entering the regulatory college, which is true. I wondered what I Ching would say if I did ask this so I did: Should I register for the regulatory college?

Hexagram 36.1.2.3.5 > 29. Not sure if this tells me yes or no, but I do get the sense that everything will work out from the situation given this reading, somehow. The relating hexagram looks kind of negative to me, but it's not always the most important one to look at either. 36 tends to give me the impression to look inside or rely on inner self/light in the times that are now in order to move forward.
 

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You are overlooking the negative cast of hex 36, Injury to the Enlightened. This signifies that were you to enter the regulatory college, you would need to hide the light of your intelligence or else suffer for it. In your reading, 36.1.2.3.5, you discover the source of the darkness there but you are unable to do anything about it. You must act like Prince Chi did, pretend to go along with the madness (36.5). Do not overlook the negativity of this reading, because it is all very real. Yi is telling you what you might expect should you go to study there. All situations are not so dark. There can be a better alternative.
 

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Always good to have a second opinion to catch things I miss! So if I go along with the flock so to speak, and take this path of psychotherapy which requires me to become a member and be a registered psychotherapist, it would require me to pretend to go along with the madness while being unable to break free or to show the truths that I am aware of? It kind of makes sense in a way to me, if I'm understanding your message right ginnie...
 

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I feel that perspective speaks very clearly to me. I've had a sense for awhile that taking this path would put constraints on me that I may not desire over time. So the reading seems to be going along with my intuition I think! I appreciate your feedback!
 

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The reading is definitely going along with your intuition. It's warning you to stay away from a place you will never be appreciated. :)
 

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I got a letter in the mail stating that if I don't renew with the association in 14 days there will be interruption to my membership services with said association. It kind of fits along with the rest of this thread even though the association and regulation through this college are two separate bodies. I asked I Ching "Should I maintain membership with this association?" and received 41.1.3 > 18. Without really looking at various interpretations, I get the sense that this might be saying "no" in short. Looking at other threads, I saw something written about letting go of excess and I could easily see this because it's something I've kept active more or less because I "could need it one day" rather than it having any current relevance to me. Are there other interpretations to it?
 

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Do you value any service you get from being a member of this association? My feeling is that you could always rejoin at a later date if you wanted the services they provide. In other words, I agree with your "no."
 

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It's weird that I got a letter from them saying my membership lapsed yet week or two later I get their periodic magazine that's sent to members.. hmm.
 

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I feel like the following question I asked of the Yi fits with this thread so I didn't know if I should post it here or make a new one... What are the steps I need to take now to get out of the rut where I currently am in my life? The answer I got was 25.2.3.4.6 > 5

I feel like it's telling me something about staying where I am and not trying too hard to do anything to change things. Somehow time will make things happen? If it's telling me that i'm kind of confused how waiting any longer will help as I feel I've more or less waited a year or more without feeling much progress happening... I've pondered things, I've done some writing and entered a contest which I've referred to in other threads. I've thought through regulatory details of a profession and this thread more or less suggests the I Ching has been leaning me away from doing so, siding with my intuition or gut feeling. So I'm just a bit confused right now. :)
 

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What are the effects of setting aside psychotherapy as a career option? 27.4.5

This was interesting to consider. I haven't been sure what path to take, feeling like I need to take some sort of path or action, which I guess disregards what I interpreted from my question about getting out of the rut I feel I am in. Lately I just feel others want me to be making progress in ways other than I am I guess.
 

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