Shutdown

[Fanofenka]

The shutdown is going to happen. There are several shutdowns this year. I am feeling that the congress is incompetent.I asked the question, "How will the congress go forward during the shutdown?" My answer is 44.3.5 to 64. Hex 44 is coupling, meaning there may be a compromise. Hex 64 is not yet across, meaning a deal wasn't able to be made.

 

[Trojina]

I don't really know what you mean by 'shutdown' it's not a term I'm familiar with. I Googled it but didn't really understand and I can't read about politics anyway.

But I was wondering if you had no replies because not everyone knows what a 'shutdown' is or what it actually means in practice. What are the repercussions, the effects and so on ?


Maybe everyone does know but I never heard of that term till I saw your post.

I guess I wouldn't understand unless I understood American politics which I don't.

 

[moss elk]

She was refering to the U.S. governments partial shut down that occured yesterday. (coinciding with the Solstice, Full Moon, and meteor shower)
Talk about coinciding...

 

[Trojina]

I know I just don't know what a government partial shutdown means - well I would if I researched it properly but I'm too lazy

 

[moss elk]

I know I just don't know what a government partial shutdown means - well I would if I researched it properly but I'm too lazy

The partial shutdown (roughly 25 % of 'non-essential services' parks, museums..etc) happened, that may be the line 3.

On the whole, the Coming together (passing the budget) was Incomplete.
I think Line 5 indicates a successful resolution at some point.

 

[Trojina]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States

I still don't get it even after reading that. It's not easy to understand

 

[rosada]

Congress needed to approve the budget. Trump wanted the budget to include 5 billion for a wall along the border of Mexico. Congress refused to do this as many people consider a wall to be unnecessary and ineffective. Trump therefore refused to sign the budget, thus stopping money being available to pay 800,000 government employees. This is known as a government shutdown.

 

[rosada]

44.5 A gift from heaven. Maybe this latest Trump created crisis will give those republican congressmen who recognize Trump is a disaster but who didn’t dare appose him the excuse they’ve been waiting for to finally acknowledge he’s nuts.

64 as the resultant hexagram doesn’t sound like this is going to be resolved quickly. Is it possible it could drag on until the new congress takes over?

 

[Fanofenka]

I then asked, "When will the shutdown end?" My answer is 52.6 to 15. Hex 52 is stilling, meaning not getting through. Hex 15 is integrity, meaning something is done.

 

[rosada]

52.6 Everyone has to totally calm down and be so still they can hear their own inner guidance. The “shutdown” is symbolic of our individual personal desire to no longer be liable for the sins the government is committing in our name. The shutdown is partial and only effecting certain areas of government but they are the areas most likely to be dear to a Demcrat’s heart - forest rangers and national park services for example. Still we must not weaken. We must bare the shutdown, even proudly own it saying we will stand firm in our insistence that we will not be dictated to -we will not allow a president to tell us what to do like a dictator. We require to be reasoned with and shown our choices and the possible outcomes so we may CHOOSE how our money is to be spent.

15. The superior man who knows and walks his own path.

 

[rosada]

What would happen if there was a go fund me page for a wall?

 

[Fanofenka]

Rosada, I realized the shutdown was done as a distraction from the Mueller investigations. 2019 will get worst, where Trump will do anything to stop Mueller from taking him down. It's unlikely Mueller will go away and Trump will inevitably fall from disgrace.

 

[moss elk]

What would happen if there was a go fund me page for a wall?

There already is one.

And as for funding the investigation, the assets siezed from Manafort have covered the cost.
(know this for the next time the orange one or his co-conspirators on fox "news" says it costs too much.)

 

[Fanofenka]

Rosada, does it say when?

 

[moss elk]

So on Xmas eve,
the orange-grinch told a seven year old that there was no Santa.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/25/politics/trump-santa-phone-call/index.html

His shutdown also prevented the white house tree from being lit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/national-christmas-tree-reopens-donors-help-amid-government-shutdown-n951726

Just another of his many impalable offences.

 

[rosada]

I see the GoFundMe page has raised around $15 million - not quite $5 billion (let alone the $15,000,000,000 it is estimated the wall would really cost).

 

[Fanofenka]

I consult the I Ching another question, "When will the federal government become functional?" The response is 59.5 to 4. Hex 59 meant that the congress is split. Line 5 meant that The White House will expect more people leaving. Hex 4 meant Trump is ignorant of the situation.

 

[rosada]

59.5 talks about a king dispersing grain to 4. young fools. Perhaps rather than giving a specific date 59.5 is describing a functional government as in "the government will become functional when it acts to care for the people."

 

[Lavalamp]

My cast.
"How will the President do regarding tbe government shutdown?"
"63.3>3
63. Already Across
Line 3:
The Eminent Ancestor attacked the Ghost region.
The third year he conquered it.
Ordinary people were not employed.
For this hard and difficult undertaking, that takes quite some time to complete, one must not deal lightly with things. One cannot leave this to be done by just anyone." (From Ewald's site.)

- LL

 

[Fanofenka]

Lavalamp, I feel that the shutdown will last until early-to-mid January. I feel that Mueller indicting his sons and Kushner will reopen the government.

 

[Lavalamp]

Lavalamp, I feel that the shutdown will last until early-to-mid January. I feel that Mueller indicting his sons and Kushner will reopen the government.

This may be your personal opinion, but what does the Yi say? Everything I read suggests the man has "the mandate." Traditionally in American Christian theology "the mandate" belongs to the person who actually wins an election. As far as the Yi is concerned - I think you have to listen.
A let of people here so do not like Trump, that I think they have a lot of trouble actually objectively making readings, and rather try to conform the Yi to their personal opinions.
But overwhelming people here cast that he would be elected. And I have seen no reading suggesting he will be removed from office - unless you really stretch it.
That does not work in personal readings either. You need to be brutally objective is what the Yi is saying, you can't bargain with fate. Bargaining is one of the stages of denial, actually.

- LL

 

[Trojina]

This may be your personal opinion,

...it's also her thread and her cast so I wondered why you posted your own cast in her thread to support your own POV.

Personally I do not accept your proposal that Yi is a Trump supporter - you are the Trump supporter and so will see all casts in the light of your own opinion. To be fair so will anyone, to some extent at least, but you cannot make Yi your mouthpiece in this.

 

[Lavalamp]

For example. You did not criticize the other people who added their castings to this thread, Trojina.
Are we here to promote personal political opinions - or try to understand what the Yi says?

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

Personally I do not accept your proposal that Yi is a Trump supporter - you are the Trump supporter and so will see all casts in the light of your own opinion. To be fair so will anyone, to some extent at least, but you cannot make Yi your mouthpiece in this.

I let the Yi speak for itself. It does not work to try to put words in Heaven's mouth.
If you have another explanation for what my casting said - let's hear it. That's what we are here for. Certainly time will tell on predictive questions - at least I think this. Sometimes I wonder - do you?
I gather you are more of Deist than a Theist, but that should not make you jump to conclusions about other people's political views when you hear an interpretation you do not like.

- LL

 

[Trojina]

For example. You did not criticize the other people who added their castings to this thread, Trojina.

Because you are the only one who has !! No other people have added castings to this thread just you, just like you have in other Trump threads. Look back and tell me who else has posted a cast in Fenofenka's thread ?? So what do you mean, who are talking about ? She can post as many questions as she wants it's her thread not yours. If it were a general thread open to all questions it would be different but it isn't

Are we here to promote personal political opinions - or try to understand what the Yi says?

In your case you are here to promote your political opinions which is why you didn't interpret the original poster's answer but posted your own.

Correction, the problem is not so much that you promote your own opinion, that is only natural, but that, hilariously, you accuse others of seeing what they want to see.

A let of people here so do not like Trump, that I think they have a lot of trouble actually objectively making readings, and rather try to conform the Yi to their personal opinions.

That's kind of putting other people down and you above and it's not even your thread. Start your own thread if you want to ignore the OP's question then post your own and accuse others of seeing what they want to see

 

[Trojina]

I let the Yi speak for itself. It does not work to try to put words in Heaven's mouth.
If you have another explanation for what my casting said - let's hear it. That's what we are here for. Certainly time will tell on predictive questions - at least I think this. Sometimes I wonder - do you?
I gather you are more of Deist than a Theist, but that should not make you jump to conclusions about other people's political views when you hear an interpretation you do not like.

- LL

It's exactly what you did yourself. You didn't like what people were saying so interrupted by posting your own reading then put other people down by saying they were seeing what they wanted to see. Anyway this thread has gone past what's acceptable so I'm done here.

 

[Lavalamp]

Is this why you are so constantly adversarial to my readings Trojina? You think I'm a Trump supporter?
Well perhaps I should find this unsurprising. But I think while you have offered your personal political views many times here - I have not. And I should not have to pass a political litmus or loyalty test here either, I don't think.

- LL

 

[Trojina]

For example. You did not criticize the other people who added their castings to this thread, Trojina.
Are we here to promote personal political opinions - or try to understand what the Yi says?

- LL

You haven't answered my question - what other people who added their castings to this thread ? There aren't any, everyone has answered the original poster. You accused the original poster of seeing what she wanted to.

I gather you are more of Deist than a Theist, but that should not make you jump to conclusions about other people's political views when you hear an interpretation you do not like.

What I do dislike is not your opinion but you accusing others of seeing what they want to see when you do just that yourself and then make out the I Ching said it .

I can't see that you making personal comments about my religious/philosophical orientation is relevant here even if you had a clue about it which you don't. But as I said this is turning into an off topic argument so I think it is time to withdraw and notify Hilary in case this goes further. So perhaps you should return to the question posed rather than keep on saying people here see what they want to see which is why this discussion started.

 

[moss elk]

Everything I read suggests the man has "the mandate."

Mandate of the electoral college or Mandate of Heaven? Which were you implying? (they are not one and the same)

You must have missed these three readings about the-donald:

Show me a picture of him: 18 unchanging
(rotten/corrupt)

What will become of him/what is his fate? 36.6
Instead of light, darkness
At first rising into the sky
But at last going into the earth
(a direct reference to the evil emperors rise and suicide: who gathered his treasure and lit himself on fire on top of it)

How will his fall come about? 61.4
As the moon approaches full
The team horse runs away
But nothing is wrong
This is already occurring with all of his co-conspirators pleading guilty to crimes and cooperating with prosecurors against him.

I really am curious about what you think, having seen these three readings. Participation here requires no litmus test,
but when someone tries to defend the morally and criminally indefensible, one has to wonder why.

Yes, you may point out how I have devoted entire threads to mocking him. This is completely true and I will continue to do so.
So, I'll point out how you have consistantly defended him.
Why do you?

 

[Lavalamp]

Trojina, I mistook fanofena's multiple cast postings for more than one person adding readings. That is why I added my readings, which were already castings I had done btw, not a counter to anything. My mistake.
BUT I think the Yi is consistent, I do not believe in dueling readings, that your casting will reflect your politics and my casting mine. I believe the Yi is totally consistent within itself. Or it is no oracle at all, but rather a mere parlor game.
Sometimes I have wondered if you have this kind of faith in the Yi, or if you just see it as a mirror in which you see your own reflection. I do not see it that way, because that has not been my experience.
Your mileage may vary.

- LL