Shutdown

[Lavalamp]

But first you criticize me for adding readings - I'm being political you say! And then you do it yourself,..
Jeez.
But I will indulge your readings in a bit when I get moment.

- LL

 

[moss elk]

you criticize me for adding readings... And then you do it yourself,..
- LL

That was m.e. who posted the three readings.

The first two were found in threads, the 61.4 was one of mine from 1.5 years ago, unposted until now.

 

[Lavalamp]

Hi Moss Elk...

Mandate of the electoral college or Mandate of Heaven? Which were you implying? (they are not one and the same)

I in fact said in traditional American Christian theology, the "Mandate" as one might call it in Confucianism is determined by our Constitutional elections. It has been seen as the way God's will expresses itself through our system. You would have to have studied theology to know this.

"You must have missed these three readings about the-donald:
Show me a picture of him: 18 unchanging. (rotten/corrupt)"

Here I think you fundamentally misunderstand hex 18. The clear meaning of 18 is to FIX what is corrupt. "Work on what has been spoiled." Go to Dekorne's site and you can read 9 translations side by side. Legge "Successful progress is indicated for those who properly repair what has been spoiled. It is advantageous to cross the great stream. One should consider carefully the events three days before the turning point and the tasks remaining for three days afterward."

10 weeks before the 2016 election I asked the Yi who would win the Presidency. I got a line in the same hex, hex 18 that refers to fixing corruption that is a result of over dependence on the status quo. Sounded like the Yi said "Drain the swamp" but the polls said Hillary was like 12 points or something up. I just figured whoever won would clean things up some. But in fact, Trump did win, as m,any other readers here also extensively posted, often to their personal consternation.

"What will become of him/what is his fate? 36.6
Instead of light, darkness
At first rising into the sky
But at last going into the earth
(a direct reference to the evil emperors rise and suicide: who gathered his treasure and lit himself on fire on top of it)"

You got this reading? Hmm. I asked the same question and got 21.1 - basically saying he would get a slap on the wrist, " a minor warning for a small offense." But "Brightness Wounded" - certainly he is not viewed by a lot of people favorably. And he does alienate some good people.
And in the end all glory is fleeting, and we are buried in the earth (or cremated.) Nobody lives forever.

"How will his fall come about? 61.4
As the moon approaches full
The team horse runs away
But nothing is wrong
This is already occurring with all of his co-conspirators pleading guilty to crimes and cooperating with prosecurors against him."

Here you don't ask an objective question. So let's take it as "what negative things will befall him?"
Well the meaning of this line is about rising above your peers to go up higher in service. This says he will be abandoned by some of his peers, but that is not a problem.
Certainly some "team horses have run away", Republican leaders have retired or refused to support him. You could take it as his immediate circle, but in terms of politics more likely it is talking about his political party. And it says "but nothing is wrong..." and go read the line in 9 different translations at Dekornes's site, they all emphasize "No blame" "no fault" "No error" and that even if he loses a team of horses, he is serving what is higher.
http://jamesdekorne.com/GBCh/hex61.htm

"I really am curious about what you think, having seen these three readings. Participation here requires no litmus test,
but when someone tries to defend the morally and criminally indefensible, one has to wonder why. "

I think you misunderstand what the Yi is saying, for whatever reason. Except for the 36 maybe, these are not bad readings at all, and that you take them that way is fundamentally in error.

- LL

 

[Trojina]

But first you criticize me for adding readings - I'm being political you say! And then you do it yourself,..
Jeez.
But I will indulge your readings in a bit when I get moment.

- LL

I haven't done any readings on this thread. You seem really confused about who is posting what. First you say others posted readings too when they didn't and now you are saying I posted readings. You can see the names above the posts can't you ?

The other readings Moss Elk posted in other threads he is just referring to them here.

 

[Lavalamp]

My eyes aren't what they used to be Trojina. Sorry, that was Moss Elk.

- LL

 

[moss elk]

in traditional American Christian theology, the "Mandate" as one might call it in Confucianism is determined by our Constitutional elections. It has been seen as the way God's will expresses itself through our system. You would have to have studied theology to know this.

An election is an act carried out and decided by human beings alone.
What madness attributes it to Heaven?
Following the 'reasoning' you offered up, if a killer gained office and told the people to start killing people in the streets (oh like Duerte, over 5,000 dead so far.), the line of reasoning you set forth says that it would be God's will to murder people in the streets. What then? Fall back on 'I was only following orders!', and if you believe in an ultimate accounting, tax time would suck for such followers.

I know what corruption is, thanks.
And I certainly know madness when I hear it.

 

[Lavalamp]

Yet you don't understand the meaning of Hex 18 at all, apparently.
You would do better to resist the temptation to put your words in the mouth of the Yi, sociopolitical cultural appropriation, and I would appreciate it if you did not try to put words in my mouth either.
We are here to discuss the Yi are we not? Is not denial on political matters is as futile as denial on personal matters?
If you have an overwhelming need to proselytize about your personal political views, there is always facebook.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

Let's sum up your 3 castings.

You asked for the view of the Yi on the President.
It said he is (18 unchanging) fixing things that have become corrupted. And success is indicated.
You asked his fate.
The Yi said (36.6) no matter how high we rise or how bright our light in this world, we all end up buried in the earth (or cremated in your example.) We all die.
Then you asked how he would fall, and got a line (61.4 Inner Truth) that says he is RISING, not falling, *going up* in fact in order to be of service of a cause higher, above his peers. And that some would leave him, or he leave them behind, but it is not a problem, in fact there is no error, no fault, no mistake.

You DID ask me to read these casts, and I do not post this to defend Trump, but to help people in the future trying to better understand the Yi. If you disagree with the readings well... Argue with the Yi. They're not my castings.

- LL

 

[hilary]

You know, I saw Moss Elk's 18 and thought at once, 'Yes, and any Trump supporter would say this means he is "draining the swamp".'

Probably we can all agree a) that people interpret readings in the light of their own understanding of the world and b) that you don't change anyone's mind by arguing with them.

With that in mind, I'm going to close this thread now. Happy New Year, everyone!