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Has anyone had experince with this that they want to share?
What did it mean at the time and what does it mean now?
Do you still see it the same way?
I am trying to understand this for my own life and I am not sure that I have ever had an experience that I would call synchronicity.
Thanks
 

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My life is full of meaningful coincidence. Incidents from whatever source have parallels in my life. Nothing is alone, and everything seems to be of one piece. I think your life is as rich in meaningful coincidence as mine. Maybe you aren't paying attention to them.
 

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Maybe you aren't paying attention to them.

This is certainly true. :)
I am not sure I know how or what really to look for. Or perhaps I am trying too hard- looking for them with too much intensity might make them run away.
And then again I think I am sitting here with many piles of scraps. I am trying to make a whole experince and instead I am stuck on the details of this one piece or that one piece. I haven't yet figured out the birds eye view.
 

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And then again I think I am sitting here with many piles of scraps. I am trying to make a whole experince and instead I am stuck on the details of this one piece or that one piece. I haven't yet figured out the birds eye view



Hmmm yes, I'm doubtful about the use of chasing down every coincidence for meaning. I actually think true guidance can be a lot more direct, in hunches, feelings and so on, and that people can get lost when they begin to treat the world like some big puzzle to be de coded.


I'm not saying ignore them but I also don't think one should place too much importance on them.
 
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Hello! I just had to chip in :)

When you open up your mind (but not too much, lest your brain falls out :)) and tune to your environment, you'll see that everything is connected, and every action we take, and even thoughts that are "loud" enough, strum those strings.
For example, you're entertaining a thought and then you look up and there's a poster with a line that strikes home. You're thinking about someone you haven't seen in awhile (more often than not it's an ac/dc thing) and that person calls you or you meet someone connected to them or you stumble upon them... I Ching is also a synchronicity thing, just look at the coin toss method - Tarot as well - but I think you need to "invite" the meanings behind things with a little bit of intuitive tuning.
I'm sure you know that great truth - whenever you force things, they just don't come. Even if they do, they don't come of their own accord and they arent happy :) An invitation is the key, from my perspective; open the door and wait. Sort of a hex 20 state of mind.
 

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Hmmm yes, I'm doubtful about the use of chasing down every coincidence for meaning. I actually think true guidance can be a lot more direct, in hunches, feelings and so on, and that people can get lost when they begin to treat the world like some big puzzle to be de coded.


I'm not saying ignore them but I also don't think one should place too much importance on them.

I can see this. I would say that I am working on putting the de-coder ring down. I am such a brain person- constantly trying to figure out puzzles-that the idea of putting down thinking and using feelings kinda freaks me out.
It's easy for me to start "thinking" that everything is important and fits somehow that I end up missing the point entirely.
 

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An invitation is the key, from my perspective; open the door and wait. Sort of a hex 20 state of mind.

My hardest thing. ;)
I am not a naturaly patient person(meditation is helping). But I like this- I can wrap my mind around this. Thanks!
 

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Synchronicity happens to me all the time.

I had a very long and involved dream about an actor whom I hadn't seen or thought of in many years. When I told my wife about the dream, she told me that she had just read a long article about the actor.

My friend told me a story about how her cat got his front paw caught in his elastic collar, forcing him to limp home on three legs. Later that day, the exact same thing happened to my cat.

I live in a very safe small town -- almost no crime...many people don't even lock their doors. Recently some kid spray painted one of my windows (an event so unusual the police actually came over to take pictures -- and the kid was caught). That very day, I went to the YMCA and my locked locker was broken into and my wallet and phone were stolen (also a very unusual event).

I could go on and on. I have an idea of why synchronicity happens, but it would be off topic here. Let me just say that to me it proves that there is more going on in the world than can be explained by science

Hamlet: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
 
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I had a very long and involved dream about an actor whom I hadn't seen or thought of in many years. When I told my wife about the dream, she told me that she had just read a long article about the actor.

Thank you. This is helpful. I can see it if I stay small. I have been stuck on wanting to see BIG things. Knock me over the head things. I am starting to see that it does not happen that way. :)
 

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I mostly experience it as coincidence.
 

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Has anyone had experince with this that they want to share?
What did it mean at the time and what does it mean now?
Do you still see it the same way?
I am trying to understand this for my own life and I am not sure that I have ever had an experience that I would call synchronicity.
Thanks


I shared some thoughts awhile ago here : http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?17611-not-a-coincidence

What did it mean at the time and what does it mean now?

for most of the experiences , have not change my mind. I try to focus on those incidences that are void of emotional states etc ( to the degree is possible) so I can 'observe" as "objective" as it can be possible- again.

I don't know if synchronicity is a non-sense concept ; when some Yi reading are so to the point and offer a literal image of a situation , i have no other name but that. The most clear cut answer/sync I got was when I had lost a cord and got line 57.2 :
Penetration under the bed.Priests and magicians are used in great number.Good fortune. No blame.
the cord was under the bed. Could be pure statistics that explain that... or not.

I call those incidences "just a coincidence - *wink* " . That's my way to not be overwhelmed , yet remain open-minded .
 
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I mostly experience it as coincidence.

Brad I was trying to find that word you used to mean when a person sees personal meaning in everything to an extreme degree....I know it began para....I thought it was something like paralloidism....anyway can't find the word by googling. What was it ?





I wouldn't argue coincidences/synchronicities are not meaningful....but I really don't think they are always are. If it's meaningful for me I get the sense that it is. 'Cledons' are when you over hear or read fragments of speech that are meaningful. I recall wondering whether to take anti biotics and someone walking past saying to another person 'antibiotics are the way to go'.

While waiting for my car to be repaired I was wondering how much it would cost. At that moment a bus went past with a banner on the side the piece of which I caught read "it's more than you think". Heh it was too !


OTOH I have known many utterly meaningless coincidences. One that always puzzled me was on going to work I had to help someone type a passage on 'Sutton Hoo'. I had never heard of Sutton Hoo before. Later I went home and was reading some old trashy novel from years ago and there on the page I opened was the words 'Sutton Hoo'. Following that I seemed to notice Sutton Hoo more often.

The thing is whilst it looks very interesting, burial mounds, a ship buried with treasure, it has no meaning for me at all. Perhaps one day I will go and visit and it will make more sense.


OTOH I often see clouds in such distinct shapes on opening my curtains in the morning I feel it must be significant. I don't think it ever has been. But if it is significant I will get the feeling that it is and I think feeling is more important than cerebral associations which often lead people totally astray IMO.

Two Geese I think to pick up what's important you need to check your own sense of it. If it holds your attention, if get a certain feeling then it's likely significant for you. If however your brain, your intellect notices it as a coincidence/synchronicity but there is no feeling connection then it can be seen perhaps as random.


I do think it's possible to go too far in finding personal meaning in every single incident in life...which is why I wanted to find that word beginning with P that Brad once used.

The fact that there is hexagram 25 I'd think shows there is not always personal meaning for us in outer phenomenon.....but there is sometimes.
 

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Pareidolia. It is a skill I cultivate.

The "Cledon"
I was listening to a radio show by intuitive Colette Baron Reid and she was talking about an interesting concept called the "cledon." Originating from ancient Greek culture when people consulted the oracle of Apollo to ask a question, the concept of a cledon is where other unsuspecting people are used by God (in those day, the belief was in polytheism, in many gods) to convey a message to the inquiring person. In the past, this was through getting a message through overhearing a conversation between others, or when someone else who doesn't know about one's question answers it. In this day, it's also likely through seeing a headline or a billboard, or through hearing a certain song on the radio, or even watching something on TV.
http://angelicinsights.blogspot.com/2008/05/cledon.html
 

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Two Geese I think to pick up what's important you need to check your own sense of it. If it holds your attention, if get a certain feeling then it's likely significant for you. If however your brain, your intellect notices it as a coincidence/synchronicity but there is no feeling connection then it can be seen perhaps as random.
This is my biggest problem. On the Enneagram I am 5. They are all about intellect- feelings come as a last option if at all. So feeling something as important is not something I natually lean to. My brain says yea or nea then maybe in a day or two my feelings might kick in. But by this point my brain has already devalued it or talked it up so much I can't see it any other way but significant (even when it's not).
I am working on this. :blush:
 

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This would make my life much easier but is sounds kinda scary to just trust in the outcome. My personal fear, "what if your wrong? or read the message incorrectly?"
 

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Pareidolia. It is a skill I cultivate.

I read about the cledon in the book on oracles I just posted on the 'book shelf' thread in Open Space.

Hmmm re cultivating...well I think pruning is at least as important as cultivation.

Great word though...'pareidolia'
 

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This is my biggest problem. On the Enneagram I am 5. They are all about intellect- feelings come as a last option if at all. So feeling something as important is not something I natually lean to. My brain says yea or nea then maybe in a day or two my feelings might kick in. But by this point my brain has already devalued it or talked it up so much I can't see it any other way but significant (even when it's not).
I am working on this. :blush:

Don't enneagrams just make people categorise themselves into stereotypes don't they ?

By 'feeling' I don't necessarily always mean emotion, I also mean simply observing what you are inclined to do.

For example I went into a shop unexpectedly today and saw some ornamental birds a friend might like for her birthday ...but they were in many different colours so how could I choose ? I knew my intellect could not fathom the choice but noticed my hand just kept on going back to and holding the red and the pink. I notice this with my hands a lot....there is a lot of wisdom in hands. Nothing earth shatteringly important but I can tell you my hands know things my intellect doesn't. My hands for example can often dig things out of a mountain of stuff. One day I passed some kind of street sale...and there was this mountain of odd things, curtains, clothes , bric a brac but I swear my hand went on red alert and went diving deep into this pile of stuff of it's own volition. It pulled out quite a fine drawing of 'The Green Man' of nature and trees and so on, in a nice frame :confused: I still have it on the wall. At the time I'd been reading a book on Merlin....and even with the book on Merlin my hand found it not me.

So just notice where your hands go and where your eyes linger and so on.





This would make my life much easier but is sounds kinda scary to just trust in the outcome. My personal fear, "what if your wrong? or read the message incorrectly?"

Well I guess 'outcome' isn't generally an issue like in the examples I described above. If you mean bigger decisions well even then you can tell by noticing what you are actually doing. Like if you were choosing between doing dance and drama at college you could notice how much time you were actually spending on each one.

Take clothes for example. Everyone has clothes they bought with their brain but actually never wear. Their hand just never goes there. My hand is quite good at picking the right outfit. :D The hand is far more than an instrument of thought processes. The whole body infact has this wisdom doesn't it.
 

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Don't enneagrams just make people categorise themselves into stereotypes don't they ?
Yes. And we were just speaking of labels on blogs... :)

By 'feeling' I don't necessarily always mean emotion, I also mean simply observing what you are inclined to do.
This makes sense to me. I can completely relate to the hands knowing WAY more than my brain. I do this a lot with books, herbs and yarn. ;) One of my dogs has seborrhea. I put together an herbal infusion for her- I just grabbed stuff- did not even pay much attention (Chickweed, Cleavers, Comfrey) anyway it cleared up in about 3 days. It was a really bad case too-covered her entire back. Anyway, yes! the body has much more wisdom than my brain. :)


Well I guess 'outcome' isn't generally an issue like in the examples I described above. If you mean bigger decisions well even then you can tell by noticing what you are actually doing. Like if you were choosing between doing dance and drama at college you could notice how much time you were actually spending on each one. ?
It's the big decisions that I find the most frightning but this really makes sense. So for instance, I find myself getting sucked in by my brain with thoughts of making art and how I am not doing that- I beat myself up about it but really I am not even drawn to it right now- instead I would rather be putting herbs together, being with my animals and nature, reading etc. Basically anything other than making "art".
I can understand this-thank you.
 

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Sutton Hoo

My closest neighbor is a Sutton. He owns land next to us, and yesterday wanted to replace a drainage pipe under a farm road that separates his property from ours, and my brother-in-law gave him permission. I did not understand the exact location and was greatly concerned because owners of that property in the past have attempted to turn drainage water onto us. This is a continual threat to anyone who owns land because improper drainage can turn farmland into a swamp. However, the pipe in question is between a graveyard given by my grandfather to an African-American church, and the road -- so I understand -- is his property, so he can do as he wants, only I do not want the graveyard damaged. Sutton Hoo was a Saxon graveyard, and Mrs. Pretty, who was its owner, deserves a posthumous metal from the crown for her preservation of a major part of English culture.
 

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What is odd 2geese ?


I don't understand what you mean Tom. Is there meant to be something significant here ?






Sutton Hoo
My closest neighbor is a Sutton. He owns land next to us, and yesterday wanted to replace a drainage pipe under a farm road that separates his property from ours, and my brother-in-law gave him permission. I did not understand the exact location and was greatly concerned because owners of that property in the past have attempted to turn drainage water onto us. This is a continual threat to anyone who owns land because improper drainage can turn farmland into a swamp. However, the pipe in question is between a graveyard given by my grandfather to an African-American church, and the road -- so I understand -- is his property, so he can do as he wants, only I do not want the graveyard damaged. Sutton Hoo was a Saxon graveyard, and Mrs. Pretty, who was its owner, deserves a posthumous metal from the crown for her preservation of a major part of English culture


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I don't understand what you mean Tom. Is there meant to be something significant here?

Yes, much significance.

Sutton: both neighbor and Sutton Hoo
Graveyard: both with neighbor and Sutton Hoo
Mounds: both at Sutton Hoo and in the graveyard here.
Importance of the past. Topal's hungry ghost.
And, of course, oo is like a pipe. It resembles hexagram 30.
Please note that Hoo is very close to my last name. Also chanted by Sufis.
I should think more about this.
 

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If we look hard enough we will always find connections between everything but that doesn't make them meaningful it only means that we have found an association that's all. Humans will always see associations, only some of them are actually messages when we sense them as meaningful. My original Sutton Hoo experience didn't mean anything to me other that 'oh isn't it strange this has come up several times in one day when I never heard of it before'. But that happens often to everyone. It doesn't always carry any particular message which is why I initially said


Hmmm yes, I'm doubtful about the use of chasing down every coincidence for meaning. I actually think true guidance can be a lot more direct, in hunches, feelings and so on, and that people can get lost when they begin to treat the world like some big puzzle to be de coded.


I'm not saying ignore them but I also don't think one should place too much importance on them.





Yes, much significance.

Sutton: both neighbor and Sutton Hoo
Graveyard: both with neighbor and Sutton Hoo
Mounds: both at Sutton Hoo and in the graveyard here.
Importance of the past. Topal's hungry ghost.
And, of course, oo is like a pipe. It resembles hexagram 30.
Please note that Hoo is very close to my last name. Also chanted by Sufis.
I should think more about this
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I had the Sutton Hoo experience a long time ago ,....so what would it have to do with your neighbours pipes. For me your neighbours pipes have no significance and are not related to my 10 year old Sutton Hoo experience nor Topal's post about a book recommendation .

The kind of associations you list can be found everywhere....but they don't always necessarily mean anything. You can make it mean something but that will be your creation, your projection. If one chats to anyone for 5 minutes one will find numerous connections and similarities...because we are all human.

I don't experience intuition this way....intuition does not require all this decoding activity. I think true synchronicity that is meaningful is recognised immediately even if someone is sceptical.


For example my brother was waiting for his grandchild to be born. He went for a walk in the country and came across an umbilical cord/placenta of a sheep. He said he knew then that the child was born since he had never found this before when walking. He is not someone who is into this kind of stuff but he still knew immediately.

At around the same time I was in a shop and saw a card of a big old lion with a cub and for some reason I wanted to send it to my niece who was carrying his grandchild. I bought the card but did not think it appropriate as a congratulations card. However it was actually spot on because she called the child Leo. For me the old male lion and the cub represented my brother and his grandchild.


OTOH if you find personal meaning in linking Sutton Hoo and the pipes and graveyards then of course maybe it's significant to you. Let us know what it means for you.
 
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I experience it during times when I need it and pay attention to it. Particularly dreams synch with past, current and future in fantastically connected ways, and I find great significance, as I have for the last 50 years, with precisely what Jung defined by his coined term: synchronicity.

I also note that black and white dreams have a particular connection with cleaning my inner hard drive and getting me into a fresh present.

I've been having a series of dreams lately that read like a book, some in b&w and some in vivid color, all connected to resolving old disturbing events. Most have funny elements, like one b&w 70's-like Bruce Lee dream. Though I knew no martial arts, my fighting powers of the mind defeated old fears and inner and outer "bad guys" or dark figures. Next night a small boy told me things I don't remember consciously, but I went outside my old house and started spraying people with a water hose. Every one I'd spray became luminous with a yellow/gold aura, and they became happy and full of light. The two dreams together helped me to enjoy the present. It was like taking out the garbage.

Since the dreams are in sync with events in my life in a most helpful way, I consider them to be synchronistic in nature. But I need to be receptive and alert enough to catch them, like the bird of brightness of hex 30.
 
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Not to play master of the obvious, but isn't use of an oracle in itself a most obvious belief in synchronicity? A question is given an answer from who knows where (oh no, it couldn't possibly be from the collective unconscious, could it?) seems such obvious evidence that it strikes me as ludicrous that an oracle user would even question the validity of synchronicity.

It's like denying there is gravity because we can't actually see the force which grounds us and everything which clings to the earth (again a hex 30 principle at work), and though it's referred to as a law, it's really a theory, and is now not one obvious theory but one of multiple theories. What we (and physicists) do acknowledge is that we can observe the effect gravity has on more gross matter. It is the same with synchronicity. It exists, even if we can't prove it, we can observe its effects on more gross matters, and relationships of any kind particularly.
 

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if you find personal meaning in linking Sutton Hoo and the pipes and graveyards then of course maybe it's significant to you. Let us know what it means for you.

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I think sometimes synchronicities can be deliverers of important messages (famous cliched example: the double-helix dream). We can probably all think of some incident or incidents in our lives, which could be called synchronicities, and which had some actual significance.

But I also agree that it is tempting to make too much of it. We're introduced to synchronicity as a metaphysical concept, and we may feel that we've learned about something important which should make a difference in our lives, and so then we start looking for it, and it turns out not to be so significant after all.

Or perhaps I am trying too hard- looking for them with too much intensity might make them run away.
I think that is a good point - trying to find synchronicities might make us miss the actually important ones. There is a difference between being open to something, and seeing it everywhere (or thinking you should, just because you know it's a thing that exists).

It's probably mostly harmless, unless the rare person gets so wrapped up that it starts driving them a little nuts. I think it's more that usually it doesn't do any particular good.

Also, what's the cause and what's the effect? If we're having a situation in our lives, and we notice things around us that remind us of it, are we noticing those things because they're messages from the universe (maybe), or is it just the meaningless, coincidental result of having a particular thing on our mind (more likely)?

It's easy to do! A while back, Trojan and Eastern_girl helped me with a frustrating reading I'd posted on the forum, and Trojan mentioned a dream she'd had which featured a shopping trolley. Very shortly before that, I'd seen a cute picture on Twitter also featuring a shopping trolley. I fell down the rabbit hole of "Ooh! Grocery cart synchronicity! Hmmm!"

Well...no. It was amusing, but it didn't "mean" anything, much less something important, or even relevant. (And enough time has passed that I think it's safe to say that. Unless it ended up meaning something important to Trojan, which I don't know about, but it was nothing for me.)

I wouldn't call the I Ching a synchronicity, because we're purposely asking it questions. Personally, I define synchronicity as something unbidden, but that's a slightly different topic.
 
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Neither the degree of meaningfulness, which is entirely subjective, nor causality have anything to do with the definition of the word, synchronicity.

It was defined by Jung as an "Acausal Connecting Principle."

I'd think inquiring an oracle seeks to connect a question with an answer. The source of an answer may be perceived or not; it's irrelevant. One says it comes from a spirit guide. Another says it comes from (as Jung defined) the Collective Unconscious. Another says it comes from God. It makes no difference from where it comes nor how. What matters is that the two are in sync in some meaningful way to the subject.
 

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According to Wikipedia (sorry...it does at least appear to be referenced), Jung did think meaningfulness was important:

Jung coined the word to describe what he called "temporally coincident occurrences of acausal events." Jung variously described synchronicity as an "acausal connecting principle", "meaningful coincidence" and "acausal parallelism".

Cause and effect...could that maybe be a bit tricky? For example, if I'm worried about my sick cat, I might start noticing a lot of references to sick cats, even if I'm not purposefully researching her ailment. I think a lot of that would simply be because that's where my mind is focused, so it would grab my attention more than it usually would. That is cause and effect: my own sick cat caused the effect of me noticing other sick cats. If the sick cats I notice have nothing at all to do with what is wrong with my cat, it wouldn't be meaningful and I wouldn't call it a synchronicity.

But if some of the information I happen to notice is relevant and helpful (again, while not purposely doing research), I probably would call that a synchronicity. BUT, I think there is still an element of cause-and-effect there: if my own cat wasn't sick, I wouldn't be noticing all this sick-cat information at all.

A slight twist might be if I had talked to someone about that specific illness a week before even knowing my cat had it, and as a result I knew what to do. I think that would definitely be a synchronicity.

On yet the other hand - if I sat down at the computer purposely to find information on the internet, and I found some, I would not call it a synchronicity (although, granted, there is often some degree of luck involved in doing research).

So I wonder if there might be some gray areas, or overlap, with the cause-and-effect? But I would put divining with the I Ching more in the "research" category. You have a question, you consult a source for the answer, whether that is the encyclopedia or the I Ching. As I said, I wouldn't call intentionally looking something up in a reference book a "synchronicity." It's not a "coincidence," meaningful or otherwise, if you're doing it on purpose.
 
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Lisa, please note in what I wrote:

Neither the degree of meaningfulness, which is entirely subjective, nor causality have anything to do with the definition of the word, synchronicity.

I mention this because the conversation turned toward whether or not a given synchronicity experience had the value that a person gives to it. The emphasis in my statement is on the lack of "degree of meaningfulness", which is subjective. And, that what matters, according to Jung, is that "the two are in sync in some meaningful way to the subject." It doesn't need to meet anyone else’s agreement or approval of meaningfulness, it is purely subjective, and is intended to be so to fit Jung's definition. If someone sees a connecting principle everywhere, then they live in a synchronized world, regardless of how anyone else may judge it's value as being meaningful or just a mere association. It has no bearing on whether it meets Jung's definition of synchronicity.

Also, whether or not there is some natural cause or explanation is irrelevant, hence his distinct word: Acausal. It need not have a strictly “metaphysical” association. IE: so and so called me just as I was thinking about them. If the coincidence is meaningful to the subject, that's all that matters.
 

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