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Had anyone here bought into Terrance McKenna's ideas of his I-Ching based timeline and that the Oracle would function only till 21st December 2012?
 

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Well. I can assure you Yi still works.

So, no it is junk.

The thousands of successful divinations on this site since then prove it.
 

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And since Terrance passed away in 2000, we will never really know what he thought of his prediction ... unless of course someone wants to ask the Yi what he (Terrance) thinks of it.
 

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Remember the Mayan Calendar?
We survived that.

Remember the Europeans (and their decendants) who freaked out every time the calendar reached certain dates? (the years C.E. 666, 999, 1666, 1999)
We survived that too.

Humans are generally clever and dumb at once.
 

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Remember the Mayan Calendar? We survived that. Remember the Europeans (and their decendants) who freaked out every time the calendar reached certain dates? (the years C.E. 666, 999, 1666, 1999) We survived that too ....
When I was a teenager growing up in San Francisco someone had predicted a date when the state would have a massive earthquake and would sink into the Pacific Ocean.

To honor that, some friends of mine went to a nearby park that offered a view of downtown and sat and waited for the 'big one'. They were of course aided by a substance that Terrance would have whole-heartedly approved of! But it never happened, even in their altered state - though I'm sure they never felt like the moment was wasted. And after all, we got a great Prince song out of the whole notion too!

D.

PS - was 666 even a 'thing' in 666?
 

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In the first century C.E.,
John wrote that it was the 'end times' right then.

1 John 2:18: Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

So, yes it was a thing.
Gives one a whole new way to consider Christianity, doesn't it?
 

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In the first century C.E.,
John wrote that it was the 'end times' right then .... So, yes it was a thing. Gives one a whole new way to consider Christianity, doesn't it?
Since I don't know all that much about Christianity or consider it much, I'm not sure how I might consider this information? Or what meaning or importance it would have? Any suggestions?

D.
 

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I'm not sure how I might consider this information?
Simply as a picture of well intentioned error compounded on error over thousands of years and the subsequent calamities. (They have been saying it is the 'end times' since they began.)
 

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Simply as a picture of well intentioned error compounded on error over thousands of years and the subsequent calamities. (They have been saying it is the 'end times' since they began.)
Ah, yes. I get it. I'd say only that I'm not sure if 'well intentioned' is always the correct descriptor (the word 'stupid' comes to mind), and since these statements are highly suspect, what else might we reasonably question? :duh:

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I think some global catastrophes might have been averted unbeknownst to us thanks to guidance from oracles.
 

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I think some global catastrophes might have been averted unbeknownst to us thanks to guidance from oracles.
I am not sure what you mean here? Can you say more? Give examples? Thanks.
 
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If everything was predestined,what's the point of oracles, astrology, etc? These are tools given to humans to help make the changes they can as and when necessary.There's been incidents in recent history when very powerful nations have stopped just short of starting a chain of events that could lead to massive losses of lives globally.Some of the people who took the decisions to hold back may have been consulting oracles.
 

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If everything was predestined,what's the point of oracles, astrology, etc?
Well, hmmm. I'm not sure how the subject of pre-destiny came up. I don't think that things are predestined, though I do think the universe follows certain natural or karmic laws - but that just a guess on my part. But I think that even if things were predetermined, that the Yi might still be of use, if people didn't know or think that things were predestined, - so oracles would then give people a sense that they did have choices.

These are tools given to humans ....
Well, I think that people developed these tools, not that they were 'given' to us.

There's been incidents in recent history when very powerful nations have stopped just short of starting a chain of events that could lead to massive losses of lives globally. Some of the people who took the decisions to hold back may have been consulting oracles.
This statement seems highly speculative and more that a bit vague. It would be like saying 'some people may like peanut butter ...' It doesn't really carry much meaning or tell us much.

But I wonder, if you believe this, which world leaders do you suspect may be consulting oracles that have saved us from disaster? Did Donald Trump consult his horoscope in the NY Daily News before his meeting with Kim Jong-un? And did Jong-un in turn consulted with 'The Official North Korean People's Liberation I Ching: written and with commentary by Kim Jong-un' before the meeting?

D.
 

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Hitler was heavily into 'the occult', astrology and all sorts but it didn't work for him fortunately.
 
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In Asia it has been a common thing for rulers to consult astrologers and in some places oracles. The consultations might be done through intermediaries but they still happen. I suspect leaders of some other nations either consult astrologers, oracles or rely on prophecy.
 

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In Asia it has been a common thing for rulers to consult astrologers and in some places oracles. I suspect leaders of some other nations either consult astrologers, oracles or rely on prophecy.
I think we might all agree that in ancient China (and perhaps other countries) it was regular practice to consult the Yi and I assume other types of divination. But I find myself being a bit suspect when you make a statement about what is currently going on, based on the past - without offering any proof. And left with that uncertainty it comes across more as a fictional sterotype about what you 'suspect' modern 'Asians' do and don't do.
 

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