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Dear all,

There's a cast I did some months ago now which I don't seem to be able to see quite clearly still. It is about an old friend (a man) who has always made me feel very much at ease and open to sharing myself. In short, a really good caring friend. But we're both traveling souls and so have not met in person for a good 4-5 years now. Always stayed in touch though. But it's in the last half a year that he writes to me much more often and about so many things that I am starting to feel a little self-conscious... and intrigued, too :blush:.

I mean, back in the day he did announce out of nowhere that he had a crush on me but we agreed to not pursue that road because we were both heading in different directions - literally and metaphorically. But he remained in my life as a distant friend and never ever ever mentioned his quite surprising crush on me again which made the friendship possible to begin with. We've laughed and :duh:-ed over emails about our failed relationships and other personal sagas over the years, and having said that, I have come to wonder lately - is there a reason why he is becoming more and more part of my daily life, like ehrhemm... a romantic reason khkmhmmm :blush:? (Can you notice the self-consciousness, it is so out of character for me...)

That's all I can think of what to say for background information.
So I asked, what is the romantic potential of this relationship and received 24.1.4.5>45

When I first cast this hex I figured - oh, so he is coming back into my life as a potential romantic partner, but for real this time. One of the lines does say that neither will regret having taken this road and that does seem to portray the journeys that we've had to go through to get this point in our lives. But what throws me off is 45... that's not very romantic now, is it? That's more about getting ourselves together more than anything. Following this line of thought, could it simly be pointing to the fact that because we already know a fair bit about each other, this isn't the usual relationship forming situation with neither part having any idea what or who they're thinking of getting involved with, hence the 45.

And then I dug into a new method of analysing hexes and got 24.1.4.5> 2.4.5> 16.5> 45
2.4.5 - maintain reserve, danger and indirectness
16.5 do not consume yourself in empty enthusiasm
Wow, this does not look too awesome.

And so I asked another question - what will be the outcome? 44.5>50
44, Yi, really? Please give me a break. I know it's a good line in some twisted sort of way, but when will I ever escape the curse of 44?

Lovely people, what do you see in this? Is it as hopeful as it seems, or am I reading too much into this? This is a person I'd rather keep as a friend than throw out of the window for some lousy relationshi that'll make us both miserable.

Thank you so much for your insight in advance!

K
 

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Six line analysis of the situation

起卦时间:2013年02月11日08时51分
起卦农历:癸巳年正月初二日辰时
神煞:天乙—丑未 福星—申 日禄—巳 羊刃—午 驿马—寅 桃花—酉 华盖—辰
干支:癸巳年 甲寅月 戊申日 丙辰时
旬空:午未  子丑  寅卯  子丑


六神  伏神    乾宫:天风姤          离宫:火风鼎
         【本 卦】           【变 卦】
朱雀       ▅▅▅▅▅ 父母壬戌土     ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼己巳火  
青龙       ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟壬申金  ○→ ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母己未土 应
玄武       ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼壬午火 应   ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟己酉金  
白虎       ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟辛酉金     ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟辛酉金  
滕蛇 妻财甲寅木 ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙辛亥水     ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙辛亥水 世
勾陈       ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母辛丑土 世   ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母辛丑土  
Hexagram 44, line 1 is host line. Parent – chou earth is the relationship document. Chou earth is the empty element under the hour of the reading (your heart) and the month of the reading (your house of marriage). This means you do not want any marriage or partner commitment at this time (applies to all opposite sex).

Hexagram 44, line 4 is the guest line officer wu fire. Wu fire is the empty element under the year of the reading. This means line 4 male has no chance with you.

Line 4 is yang line (him) and line 1 is yin line (you): This is the reverse opposite of a good match: male with yin line and female with yang line. As a result, there is no common interest.

Line 6 of hexagram 50 is officer line (him) with si fire. From officer wu fire to si fire. The male has taken a step back. He is not there for you.

Line 5 of hexagram 44 is sibling chen metal. The metal transforms into a partnership document wei earth. This wei earth is also the empty element under the year. However, this may mean that there is a third party moving into a relationship.

Line 6 of hexagram 50 si fire supports the wei earth of the hexagram 50 relationship. The man’s mind is into someone else, and not you.


Line 5 of hexagram 44 sibling (third party) shen metal couples with the line 6 si metal of hexagram 50 officer line. There is a connection between the two. You are not the one in this partnership.

Line 3 and 4 of hexagram 50 are sibling you metal. They block any confrontation between line 1 chou earth with line 5 wei earth in hexagram.

You are not in the picture at all.

Hexagram 44 means a very strong woman, charming and appealing to the opposite sex. Do not take this female to be a partner because she has her own agenda concerning her own future. She may be available sooner or later, but her interest is not in the man she mentioned in the reading.

Hexagram 50 means a triangle relationship. When there is one man and two females, this depends on whether the querent falls under the line of who (one of the two females). One keeps the man and the other one walks away.

Line 2 is a female yin wood hiddern under the money/happiness/child line hai water. The female in hidden line devotes her energy to the character indicated under the child line because hai and yin couples together.

Line 2 hidden yin wood comes to the open this month and set the motion to linen 5 shen metal (third party). The third party is the one who moves towards the line 5 relationship of hexagram 50.

The female line does not appear in both hexagram. You are in the picture and are just an outsider.

Line 3 and 4 are third parties with intent to set up a fling with others. These are door positions. Nothing serious.
 

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Long Yi, what an honor! Thank you for taking the time, though I must say.. other than his long-term girlfriend with whom he broke up in December, I can't see him being interested in anything other than his work. That's all he has been talking about lately, though you are correct, we are currently not talking, he is not there.

You also hit the nail on the head with me not being interested in ANYONE these days, I'm intent on working on myself.

How very fascinating that the text version claims it to be much more positive than your reading, but even so, I am grateful - think I have a lot more to meditate on in terms of this friendship.

So I'm assuming that 24 is about me after all :)
 
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Long Yi,
What would you have seen in line interpretation if you went with kkappa very first question "what is the potential of a romantic relationship? " 24.1.4.5>45?
Isn't it possible that she continued to ask more questions and created some confusion. Or could've been thinking too much not really getting an answer to her question? Just learning and curious. Thanks
 

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Long Yi,
What would you have seen in line interpretation if you went with kkappa very first question "what is the potential of a romantic relationship? " 24.1.4.5>45?
Isn't it possible that she continued to ask more questions and created some confusion. Or could've been thinking too much not really getting an answer to her question? Just learning and curious. Thanks

Hehe, I love that you're addressing that question to Long Yi (about asking too many questions) and not me :rofl: Anyway, I can assure you that because love is not the top priority on my mind, I asked the two questions once a couple of months ago and just continued to settle with the idea that maybe the one who is meant for me (I had a very painful case of the 54.4 some months ago so one thought led to another in terms of that "intended" one) has been right in front of my nose this whole time. But based on this... no, not really. What a pickle! :confused:
 
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Long yi's reply

Long Yi,
What would you have seen in line interpretation if you went with kkappa very first question "what is the potential of a romantic relationship? " 24.1.4.5>45?
Isn't it possible that she continued to ask more questions and created some confusion. Or could've been thinking too much not really getting an answer to her question? Just learning and curious. Thanks

Long Yi's reply:
Hexagram 24 to 45
起卦时间:2013年02月11日08时51分
起卦农历:癸巳年正月初二日辰时
神煞:天乙—丑未 福星—申 日禄—巳 羊刃—午 驿马—寅 桃花—酉 华盖—辰
干支:癸巳年 甲寅月 戊申日 丙辰时
旬空:午未  子丑  寅卯  子丑

六神  伏神    坤宫:地雷复(六合)24     兑宫:泽地萃 45
         【本 卦】           【变 卦】
朱雀       ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙癸酉金     ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟丁未土  
青龙       ▅▅ ▅▅ 妻财癸亥水  ×→ ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙丁酉金 应
玄武       ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟癸丑土 应×→ ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财丁亥水  
白虎       ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟庚辰土     ▅▅ ▅▅ 官鬼乙卯木  
滕蛇 父母乙巳火 ▅▅ ▅▅ 官鬼庚寅木     ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母乙巳火 世
勾陈       ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财庚子水 世○→ ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟乙未土  
The analysis of this situation is strictly for academic learning.
Hexagram 2: three pair hexagram
Line 1/4, 2/5, 3/6 couples with each other.
This means returning.

Lines of hexagram 24 (house of kun earth)
6. child you metal
5. assets (female) hai water*
4. brother (third party) chou earth* guest line
3. brother (third party) chen earth
2. officer (male) yin wood – hidden line parents (relationship si fire)
1. assets (female) zi water* – host line
1& 2& 3 = trigram chen (wood)
4& 5& 6 = trigram kun (earth)
Wood suppresses earth. In the original hexagram, the external factors control the internal factors (you).

Lines of hexagram 45 (house of Tui metal)
6. Brother wei earth
5. Child you metal
4. assets (female) hai water
3. officer (male) mao wood
2. parents (relation document) si fire
1. brother wei earth

Quick look
1. Line 1 and 6 of hexgram 45 is brother wei earth. This third party sets the boundary for everyone in hexagram 45.

2. Hexagram 24: two females – line 1 & 5. Line 5 is the leader position with the Azure Dragon (青龍, Qing-long). Female in line 5 controls the situation.

3. Line 2 male yin wood is connected to line 5 female hai water. Yin and hai couples together. There is a relationship there.

4. Look carefully, this is the si year. Si fire year is the year of snake. Si releases the hidden line relationship document under the male line yin wood to the open in hexagram 45.

5. Line 5 hai water is the female who set this relationship document in line 2 si fire to release the relationship document to the open.

6. All of the above has nothing to do with the querent.

7. The querent is in line 1 zi water and is the change line. Zi water is the empty element under the hour of the reading and is also the host line. It means, she thinks of this female (not herself), but this female is not in her heart or mind. She knows this female migrates to the third party (probably male) in line 1 of hexagram 45. Since line 1 of 45 is wei earth that suppresses the water from line 1 of hexagram 24. This means, she know that the female in line 1 is getting nowhere with the third party man in the hexagram 45 line 1.

8. Line 4 is the guest line brother (third party) chou earth. If this line 4 is a man chou earth, he is connected to the line 1 female zi water in hexagram 24. Water and earth mixed to give moist earth.

9. Line 4 male chou earth changes to line 4 of hexagram 45 female hai water. The male pushes out a female. This is the exact same female in line 5 of hexagram 24.

10. Line 6 of hexagram 24 is child you metal and line 5 of hexagram 45 is child you metal. Child can means money and funds, or mean the soul of a female or a child. Take a guess, it may have something to do with money or child.

11. If one carefully examines the hexagram 45, line 6 earth produces line 5 metal, line 5 produces line 4 water, line 4 produces the line 3 mao wood (man), line 3 produces line 2 relationship document fire, and line 2 produces line 1 earth.

12. Everyone has a place. There is a continuous sequence of events.

Curved Array (勾陳, Gou-chen) is in line 1. Gou-chen means an old idea from an acquaintance (you male friend).
勾陳臨妻財爻: 男占婚主女方有腳踏兩只船之象:女占婚為情敵,為男方的舊情人

When Gou-chen is with the female line, the querent is the one with the question. This means that there is a love rival and she is his ex-girl friend. (Same as your feedback)

Line 4
Murky Warrior (玄武, Xuan-wu) with the brother line
玄武臨兄弟爻
主欺詐、欺騙、蒙蔽、盜竊;測財,兄爻臨玄武,錢花在噯味之事;測兄弟朋友,主兄弟朋友有難言之隱,兄弟朋友可能為盜賊,被克可能被盜等等。
This means your friend has certain hidden secret and is not entirely honest with you.

On-line and distance pen-pal do not see each other. They share information (certain secrets) and they flirt with their language in writing. No big deal. This is indicated in the reading here.

Returning: this is what it means. Hexagram 45 is a gathering of all sort of people. Line 3 is the man, line 4 is the female. The female supports the male. Both are at the doorway. This female is not you.
Office line yin wood, mao wood in the entire picture is the empty element under your house of spouse. In your mind, not him, not the God chose one, not the one that you want.

Line 1 of hex 24 zi water and line 4 of hex 24 chou earth refers to the man and woman in the reading (not you). Since zi chou are both empty elements under your house of marriage, this couple does not interfere with anyone who want to meet or date in your house of marriage or plan.

From this picture, you do not seem to fit in. As a result, it is no concern of yours. You do not have to worry about what happens to him. He is not after you.

Hexagram 45 = 8 of pentacles in Tarot
You do not have what he is looking or hoping for. Plus, you two both have your things to do (busy life).
In conclusion, everything is fine. Returning 24 transforms to hexagram 45 means people come and go. When he gets his answer for himself about you that you are not the one, things will return to normal. If you have children, their life is your daily life because life 6 is the children line and is also mentioned in eight of pentacles.
 
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Thank you, Long Yi so much for taking the time, I appreciate your teaching. Sorry about not addressing you kkappa, I was eager to learn, while at the same time hoping to help with your questions. :blush:
 

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The saga of a 44 type woman

Well, blue_angel, I hope you learned as much as you hoped for, because I can honestly say that the second reading went way over my head. The first one was pretty clear, but the second one - I don't know too many details about my friend's love life, so I cannot comment on whether it is true or not, and I certainly don't think or know much about this woman in point 7. Hopefully it was at least a learning experience for you.

The things that I did learn from long yi's amazingly thorough and determined :)bows:) replies are:
1) I should embrace my 44-ness
2) I should continue to honor the lack of desire in my heart and hope that despite my "own agenda" someone is able to live up to being my equal one bright day; until then, life is pretty good as it is.
3) The only thing that really stung is that my friend has not been honest. That, to me, is not much of a friend.
4) And excuse me, but what are all these other people that I am not even remotely involved with doing in MY reading? :confused::rofl: :brickwall:

Long Yi, thank you so many times, you gave me the final push to embrace my performance anxiety and really dig into the links you gave me about learning your method of analysis, it'll take time to master it, but it can't hurt to try. :bows:
 

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From the re-analysis angle, you can assume line 1 = you in hex 24 and line 4 = him in hex 24.
There are two school of thoughts; female in host line usually is not yourself, in some cases, it can be you. As a result, line 4 can be him or a third party.
The other parties are connected either to him or you. If you do not know them, it does not mean they do not exist.

For example, you go to a job interview.
The interviewer, the interviewer's boss, the interviewer's boss's boss, your rival for the same job, you references, your spouse, children, parents may all appear in the 12 lines of two hexagram. They all affect the outcome of the decision because family members also put pressure on a situation.

You may not meet the interviewer's manager, the director of the group.
You will not get see your rivals.
You will not know what your reference may say about you.
They all affect the outcome of the decision.

If you assume line 1 female is you, you are running off from him (change line) to someone else.
If you assume line 4 third party is him, he runs away from you to another female (change line).
Since line 1 zi water and line chou earth couples, you two are tangled up in a minor way. Both are running off from each other.

Line 4 is brother (if assume him) and suppresses the female (wife line, you) in line 1. Ha, you will find this man undesirable to hang out with. It is his way, too dominant. At the same time, he changes to pursue another female. He does not care how you feel.

The rest of the story you do not have know the players, but this picture tells you how the male thinks of you and the other female around him, the concept of relationship. It is like a Tarot card set layout with many cards.

:bows:
 
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Hey kkappa I was gonna help on this one but I can see Long Yi has done way more than I would or could - hope it works out for you - be joyous, Liss
 

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From the re-analysis angle, you can assume line 1 = you in hex 24 and line 4 = him in hex 24.
There are two school of thoughts; female in host line usually is not yourself, in some cases, it can be you. As a result, line 4 can be him or a third party.
The other parties are connected either to him or you. If you do not know them, it does not mean they do not exist.

For example, you go to a job interview.
The interviewer, the interviewer's boss, the interviewer's boss's boss, your rival for the same job, you references, your spouse, children, parents may all appear in the 12 lines of two hexagram. They all affect the outcome of the decision because family members also put pressure on a situation.

You may not meet the interviewer's manager, the director of the group.
You will not get see your rivals.
You will not know what your reference may say about you.
They all affect the outcome of the decision.

If you assume line 1 female is you, you are running off from him (change line) to someone else.
If you assume line 4 third party is him, he runs away from you to another female (change line).
Since line 1 zi water and line chou earth couples, you two are tangled up in a minor way. Both are running off from each other.

Line 4 is brother (if assume him) and suppresses the female (wife line, you) in line 1. Ha, you will find this man undesirable to hang out with. It is his way, too dominant. At the same time, he changes to pursue another female. He does not care how you feel.

The rest of the story you do not have know the players, but this picture tells you how the male thinks of you and the other female around him, the concept of relationship. It is like a Tarot card set layout with many cards.

:bows:

Ah yes! Every now and then I forget that the individual lines can speak of both me and whoever else (if at all) is involved with the posed question. It does make sense now that he doesn't care about me, perhaps not even as a friend, but I don't feel like I've lost anything. Honestly, I am such an optimist (a true Sag!) at heart that I am actually releaved that the past will not come haunting me. My true mate will be someone completely new. But I need to tie up some old stuff first :) Thank you, Long Yi!
 

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And as if I hadn't had my fair share of 24 yet, my daily reading gave me 24.3.4.6>30 which naturally made me wonder what could possibly happen that reminds me to turn back to myself so to speak. This time, however, it was a return of an old friend whom I hadn't seen for well over a year. Still thinking about line 6 and what the advice in that was in the context of a casual chit chat.
 

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