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Hi guys,
I was curious about what we as a whole would go through:

What will happen the next few years for all of humanity? 49.3-->17

What will it be like for humanity after 2012? 52.4-->56

So... what do you guys think?

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Dunno about others but to me that's worse than asking for the long range weather forecast... It's a book of changes and you want to pin it down?

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I dont really get whats the big deal about this. People ask how their sick mom is going to be doing for the next few years for example. This is just question. And the Iching gave me an answer.
 

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Well, it sounds like in the next few years humanity will be busy talking
a lot, following each other, just going about business really. After 2012
they will try to calm down a bit, but they obviously won't be happy about
it, and will feel sad and lonely, perhaps missing all the previous to and fro
and following. Now if the I Ching is jesting, as it sometimes likes to do
with such questions, or not, that is up to anyone's imagination.

Perhaps we should all take heed of this answer. Better to be on the move,
reviewing all sorts of stuff "as we go", and following, rather than trying to
"be calm" by force, and thus causing unnecessary alienation and loneliness.
 

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Well you've asked a very broad question so I think the I Ching is giving us a very broad answer.

49.3 says,
"When talk of revolution has gone the rounds three times,
One may commit himself,
And men will believe him."

Interesting your question is based on the earth revolving around the sun three more times.
Perhaps this indicates in 2012 some sort of opportunity to choose what path one will 17. Follow. Perhaps an important election? Whatever, I Ching seems to be saying we should practice being aware and conscious of our choices now, get in the habit now of making clear commitments and making our word believable.

52.4 Keeping his trunk still. No blame.

56. The Wanderer.

Who we are today will not be who we are in 2012.
We wont take that old trunk with us as we travel on.

Seems to all point to an extraordinary time of being able to consciously choose what values we Follow and to create our new self as we choose.
 
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Desist

The Yi is always advising us to focus our minds mainly on the present moment. Nobody knows what is going to happen in the future. 49.3 is saying that with regard to your question, you are very much in advance of any need on your own part to do anything. :cool:
 

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Some wise person once said, "Everything happens by agreement." I think humanity is being given a chance at this point, 2009, to discuss how they are going to handle the upcoming new story which officially begins Jan 20 but is obviously shaping up in each of our minds individually. Then as to your second question I think after the earth has revolved around the sun 3 times as it says in 49., we will be clear about our own unique point of view and responsibility.

I think we are learning to express our own point of view even though it may or may not be shared by others.
Barbra! I think something really significant is taking shape here!
The more clearly you articulate your point of view, the more clearly I am seeing mine!
I think this is the meaning of 49.3! We are discussing the possibilities of change/revolution just like the line says. Perhaps we should each state our points of view, maybe three times going around, or maybe once a year on this date?

I wonder if The Three Wisemen are speaking through us now? Three Kings Day was Monday. Maybe threre is a time adjustment going on. Maybe a name adjustment. How about Three Friends Day? When two or three of you are gathered together in my name, there am I also.
 

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Rosada
"I think humanity is being given a chance at this point, 2009, to discuss how they are going to handle the upcoming new story which officially begins Jan 20"

Cor that's a bit of an American centric view of the world....

this begs the question 'who' is humanity? Or rather whose defintion of the word 'humanity' gets to be the winner ? Every single person ? Illiterate village folk in India etc etc ? All hanging on for the world to change on Jan 20th? And is it really going to change that much and everywhere ? Does the whole planet share one fixed meaning for the word 'humanity' ?

I don't think there's a problem of asking the ching for a hex for yourself for the year if you want to but I don't 'cos if things can change so rapidly from one reading to the next in a romantic relationship reading, for instance (as evidenced by hundreds of threads in this forum), how can one hex stitch up the entire planet for the next four years? With no change ? And all the same for everyone ? To me this is colonial thinking.....

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You're right. I was thinking of Obama and I was assuming the change he represents would be duplicated all over the globe. However, in attempting to restore my dignity I discovered that Jupiter entered Aquarius, the sign of Group Consciousness, a couple of days ago, marking a greatly expanded awareness of all humanity. Further, the Sun - the planet of individual consciousness - moves into Aquarius Jan. 19 this year and conjoins Mercury the planet of official timing Jan.20. so maybe January 20 actually will mark a point of new awareness for all humanity, although perhaps manifesting differently in each individual life..

Also that's a good observation, just who/what does qualify as humanity? As I said, Jupiter, ruler of animals, just moved into Aquarius a day or two ago. Maybe we are being asked to consider our connections to all sentient beings at this time. Maybe over the next couple of years our awareness of whose consciousness we are connected to, animal vegetable or mineral, and who we are Following will be notable developed.
 
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The Yi is always advising us to focus our minds mainly on the present moment. Nobody knows what is going to happen in the future.
In my experience, the Yi warns us very many times of future facts and events
completely external to us, which we have not brought about, which we have
nothing to do with, which we have zero idea about, and so on. Yes sometimes
it does reflect our inner world, but it also knows well the one external to us.
So, in that sense, the Yi does know the future, or at least a visible part of it.
And sometimes it decides to let us know a part of what it knows.
 

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The Divine Time Zone

Yes, I have become very aware of long-term warnings coming from the Yi, which does know the future. Personally, I cannot see that far ahead. It is as if I am driving in a car on a road at night, and the headlights light up a small distance ahead, not the way to the farthest horizon. Once a month I ask about the month ahead of me. But usually I just ask about today or tomorrow or a burning issue.

The future grows out of the past in a predictable way. Only in a special time called the "Now" can Change can actually happen.

Change is when we suddenly see something differently.

And after that, we act differently and think differently. And as I act differently and think differently, I notice that many people around me start to do the same.

Mayan elders and shamans are going around giving lectures on the true meaning of 2012, from the Mayan point of view. Anyone who wants to, can learn a lot more about the Mayan calendar and the Mayan prophecies from lectures, books, the Internet. I understand that 2012 will not mean the "end of the world," as many fear. It may mark the end of the period of earth changes the planet is now undergoing all over the world. I won't go on about it, because I feel that's not my thing, to be concerned about that. There's nothing I can do about it, anyway.

There is a tremendous amount of activity in the metaphysical and unseen realms at this time, with entities we cannot see said to be here at this time to preserve the planet Earth and the human species.

For example, it is said that Extra Celestials (ECs) are the ones who made the crop circles in England -- to get our attention and provide proof of the existence of God. Go to www.nancyburson.com for more info on the ECs, who have also shown up as unexplained round circles in our digital camera photos for a number of years now. Some of us have more access to news of these sorts of goings-on than others. I am somebody who only first heard about "channeled material" two years ago, and my pulse still skips a beat whenever I hear those words . . .

I have learned not to ask the Yi too many questions about all this, because there is no point in trying to hop steps. I can only go one step at a time . . .
 

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Writing a New Story

I am inspired by Rosada's words about the Three Wise Men.

Caesar's wife said to him: "Honey, dear, don't go out today. I had a terrible dream last night that something bad was going to happen to you today if you stepped outside the house."

But Caesar said to himself: "How ridiculous. Does my wife really expect a man like me to listen to woman's intuition?"

And the soothsayer said: "Beware the Ides of March." But Caesar thought he would just go forward with his plans . . . conducting business as usual in the marketplace . . .

Where did the The Three Wise Men get the certainty that they were heading off in the right direction, when they were packing up the valuable gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh on camels to find the spirit of kindness and peace born back into this world? I don't think we have their certainty about what star to follow right now. Far from it. Things are very scattered and confused. It's like we are living in a transitional period, a pause between two different kinds of consciousness . . . and I am not referring to politics in the USA.

It is important for diviners and "wise people" especially to limit our involvement with catastrophic prognostications about the future. As someone posted above, a lot of people in the world have never even heard of the Mayan calendar and 2012. There are real dangers, But I think most of the catastrophic images we are exposed to in the media are coming from people wanting to make a lot of money for themselves by fostering needless fears in the public mind. The really important changes that are coming will have to do with shifts in human consciousness, and I don't think anyone has clearly envisioned those shifts for us yet. As Rosada said above, a new story is taking shape.

Oh, gee, I must have thought it was Sunday, to be coming out with a sermon . . .
 

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Well I like your sermon Barbra. I think if there is a God what he really wants from us is a good story.

Thinking more about the 49.3 > 17 answer.
Now I'm seeing it as Humanity, people from all over the world, getting to know each other better, improving communication.
49.3 As we understand each other's position we can make plans, commitments and thus
17. Follow a schedule, a routine - Timing = Everything

So I think I Ching is telling us that in the next few years we will have significant opportunities to get to know each other better and as a result to heighten our awareness of the Flow and how to Follow it..

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Thinking about Barbra's ideas that Change happens in a flash, and can only happen in the Now. I remember when I was small asking my grandmother when i would be a grown up and she replied, "Oh, you'll be grown in NO TIME." I think now that's an interesting idea, because being grown up doesn't happen at a certain age, but from a certain perspective. In short, an awareness that can only come outside of a time line in a flash of awareness, an awareness that comes when time stands still and a new idea/viewpoint enters the picture, permanently altering how we see everything.
 
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Hi guys,
I was curious about what we as a whole would go through:

What will happen the next few years for all of humanity? 49.3-->17

What will it be like for humanity after 2012? 52.4-->56

So... what do you guys think?

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I think it's great fodder for science fiction writing.

I don't see what's wrong with asking these questions either. Imagine if Jules Verne never tried to probe the future, or if Star Trek had never gone where no man had gone before. I think it is a creative act to try to imagine what the future possibilities might be. The Yi is a way to peek at possibilities, not absolutes. No harm, no foul in that.
 

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