"The Passion of the Christ"... the 2nd coming?

[Frankelmick]

Val,

Thank you so much for this link.

It sounds to me like Mel Gibson's father is a repulsive racist.

Best wishes,

Mick

 

[gene]

Naturally the Romans, who usurped Christianity from the Gnostic Jews and gentiles it started with, would want to make it look like they were the good guys in the whole scenario, so they make the scriptures sound like the jews were the bad guys and the Romans were just patsies. Pilate was a weakminded fool who was afraid of a Jewish uprising so he gave into Jewish demands and crucified the Christ. Of course, not until after releasing Jesus Barabbas, who according to the Roman written gospel story was trying to get the Jews to accept the release the Jesus of Nazareth because he, Pilate, found no wrong in him. Well, this is the Roman version of it. (Ironically, the story does have metaphorical and allegorical meaning, which has value, but the literal aspect of it is abhorent.) It is doubtful that a Roman commander of the Jerusalem area would have been too fearful of a Jewish uprising. Of course, the jews were known to be fiercely independent, and during subsequent uprisings, especially in AD 70 and 135, Rome had to call in troops from as far away as Britain in order to quell the uprising. So it is possible that Pilate was a little hesitant, but not likely. While it is very possible that a Jesus did live and die in the Jerusalem area, the story itself is very suspect on the literal level. There is very little evidence outside of the gospels themselves which would hint at a death and resurrection of some kind of a savior god. But Rome had to make this literally true. In order to unite the kingdom they needed a united religion. When paganism was failing, they turned to Christianity and turned it into a "literal" soap opera. For a gnostic view of early Christianity, I recommend the book, "Jesus and the Lost Goddess," by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. The early Christian gnostics begin to sound exactly like eastern philosophers and some jewish mystics. Jesus becomes not so much a literal historical figure, but a concept, a concept with an allegorical meaning, not so unlike many pagan rituals existing at the time. Rituals that were not unfamiliar to many jewish sects at the time. But when Rome makes the figure of Jesus a literal savior god dying on a cross, it is only natural that jews and many others would not accept him as the promised messiah. The time of Pisces is a time ruled by Neptune, which in many ways is a planet of deception, and humankind has been in a dark age since the time of christ. We think the dark ages ended about 300 years ago, but they are really only beginning to end now, and only in some circles. Some of the Roman Emperors and I believe some popes also are on record as saying, "the people love to be deceived, so deceived let them be." And Hitler comes along and says, if you tell a lie often enough and bold enough, eventually people will come to believe it.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Mick...

Here's a recent article about a more recent interview than the gossip cited a few years ago.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/apnews/story/0%2C1276%2C-3767640%2C00.html

Gene...

Very interesting thoughts on it. Thank you. Now are you talking about the same Romans who fed Christians... and others... to the lions a few years later... as a spectator sport?

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Mick...

Here's one more for you.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/gibson.asp

Tashi...

I thought of you when I read the last sentence in the snopes article...

"For those in whom the urge to boycott Gibson over "historical inaccuracies" in his films still runs strong, there's already plenty to charge him with for what he did to American history with The Patriot and Scottish history in Braveheart."

Love,

Val

 

[gene]

The book of Revelations was only received into the cannonized version because of the extreme popularity of it. Of course, it came to be that the Roman Church told people not to read the Bible because only the Priests could understand it. This makes a lot more sense when we realize that the book of revelations is a verdict against the Roman Catholic Church. In Revelations 17 (I believe it is that chapter, it describes the great whore that sits on seven mountains, and rules over the kings of the earth. Who ruled over the kings of the earth at that time? Only one place, Rome. Which city sits on seven mountains? Again, Rome. Mystery Babylon, mother of whores and abominations in the earth. Mother of who? Of the protestant churches that later came out of her. Where did Babylon come from? Eventually it meant in one sense, stargate. Later, from the story of the Tower of Babel it became a term meaning confusion. The Book of Revelations from beginning to end is an indictment of literalist Christianity. Rome could not stop Christianity by feeding it to the lions, so they embraced it, and made it their own. The Kaballah includes forms of gematria in which secret meanings were derived from finding the numerical equivalent of the letters in the text. In Greek, this worked too, and the codes are very real in the book of revelation. We find this operating to a certain extent even in English. In the Greek, it says, let him who has understanding count the number of his name. (the beast of Revelations.)When we look at the gematria of the greek text we find that the number of his name is the same gematria as that for Jesus Christ. In essence the hidden meaning is that the beast, or antichrist is Jesus Christ. The beast had a wound by a sword, and did live. Jesus Christ was wounded and killed by a sword while he hung on the cross. Jesus Christ died on the cross and was resurrected. The Roman Empire that killed Christians, (and that is not the entire truth on that matter either) died, and was killed by the sword during the middle ages, but the Roman Catholic church authority lived on. The Empire was resurrected in the likeness of Christianity. It has been said, that if the Italian authorities ever read the book of Revelation, they would arrest the pope immediately, but such a power of deception the Catholic church has over the people.

Gene

 

[Frankelmick]

Val,

Thanks very much for posting these excellent links.

Best wishes,

Mick

 

[jte]

I read through a bunch of reviews on this movie, and I think I've changed my mind about seeing it. Even many of the "positive" ones actually sound pretty negative to me.

I'd be going there looking for a meaningful message, which perhaps is there, but many many folks seem to feel that in this movie what message there is gets drowned out by gore. So, I'm thinking that it probably wouldn't be worth going to.

Life loves making me eat my own words. Part of the larger learning process...

Reviews for folks who are interested...

- Jeff

 

[lenardthefast]

This just in...

Lightning strikes Jesus on Gibson's Christ film set

The actor who plays Jesus in Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of Christ" has escaped injury after being struck by lightning during filming.


The incident, in which The Rock and The Count of Monte Cristo star Jim Caviezel did not sustain an injury, is the second bolt to hit the set of the movie in Italy.

The film has drawn complaints from religious leaders. Jewish leaders say it suggests Jews were responsible for Christ's death. Conservative Catholics who have seen the film have called it a powerful rendering of the hours leading up to Christ's Crucifixion.

The crew was on a remote location a few hours from Rome when the storm occurred.

"I'm about a hundred feet away from them," producer Steve McEveety said, "when I glance over and see lightning coming out of Caviezel's ears."

Both Caviezel and his assistant director Michelini were struck. The main bolt hit Caviezel and one of its forks hit Michelini's umbrella.

Neither of the men sustained injuries in the incident.

Michelini has been nicknamed Lightning Boy after being struck twice by lightning during the filming in Italy. He had already suffered light burns on the tips of his fingers in an earlier incident during filming on a hilltop in the town of Matera.

© Associated Press

Namaste,
Leonard