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I've been thinking about this for a long time. What exactly is the relating Hexagram. More insight? If so, more important or less important than the pimary Hex. Does it show how the situation is moving? How things will develop?
How do you interpret it?
...and don't give me some BS about how it depends on the question.
;-)
What exactly is the relating Hexagram. More insight?
It would help you understand if you stopped using the word "relating."
This is a bad translation of the word Zhi in Zhi Gua.
Better is "resulting" or "resultant" hexagram, i.e. the result of the changed lines.
In other contexts zhi is also an important particle indicating the possessive,
but here it means becoming, going towards or resulting in.
Its opposite is the Ben Gua, the root or original hexagram.
It would help you understand if you stopped using the word "relating."
For me, the relating (I'm still comfy with the term) hex is most often the canvas, and the primary is the painting. Since the canvas is as much a part of the painting as the paint is, they're one.. they possess one another.
Well, at least he's not using the word "tendential"...
L
Is tendential even a word?
Main Entry: ten·den·tial Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: tendenchl
Function: adjective
Etymology: Medieval Latin tendentia tendency + English -al
: TENDENTIOUS
- ten·den·tial·ly \-chl, -li\ adverb
It is a word that is used and abused in the Spanish version regarding "resulting" hexagrams: "Tendencial" (I expect some rebuttals, of course... )
L
Hi Luis
Noticed that you disregard my use of that word (indirectly, not naming me, of course; but who else use it here?); but haven't notice any reason for that.
Even more, in www.e-ching.com time ago "Regreso" quoted Bradford's Matrix about "tendency" for Zhi, remember?. If Bradford uses it is ok, but if Andree, "Regreso" or me use it is an abuse?
Best wishes
Maybe 'tending toward hexagram' would be better. Cuz if *that's* a more accurate translation, then it answers your original question, right? It would mean that the heart of the meaning of that second hexagram is the way the situation is 'tending toward'. The only question left in that case is whether the 'tending toward' takes some time to occur (in other words, first the situation is one described by the main hexagram, and then after some time passes it morphs into a different situation which is described by the 'tending toward' hexagram),
'tending toward' hexagram), or whether the 'tending towardness'
Can you elaborate a little more?When I say that the word is "abused" as a noun in Spanish, is because it is, and the way it is used, the focus is given to that aspect only. "Resulting hexagrams", Zhi Gua, are much more than something that has a "tendency" to happen
Can you elaborate a little more?
"It is because it is" ???? sounds like dogma...
What else is "resulting" than have a tendency?
Now, just my understanding (not selling anything): something has a tendency to happen, but it isn't wrote in stone that will happen. That's the value I find in this translation; avoid the mechanical thought: "B is the resulting from A...therefore, since now there is A, it will be B for sure".
Of course, I'm aware that neither Brad nor you use it in this mechanical way. But, for beginers, "resulting" has this risk (and you could find it even not only in beginers, see WF).
To have a tendency of change points to a process that in the present shows one given direction; but you would achieve the destination ONLY if the direction continue.
Of course, there are other views. One that I like, based indirectly in Wang Bi's Zhouyi Lueli, says that Ben Gua reflects qing (translated as "innate tendency" in Lynn; "inner tendency" in Villa) and Zhi Gua reflects wei (translated as "countertendencies to spouriousness" in Lynn; "external stimulus" in Villa). This point of view is closer to Bruce's comment: not as present-future, but as 2 diferent forces within the present situation.
For the sake of "consistency," let's, all of us, start using "tendential hexagram," please... L
My little stone Buddha is starting to cry
But has anybody here had said: this is the only way to interpret?
Now, following your argument, you shouldn' call "tendential", but neither "resulting" or anything. Isn't?
The fact is that you link the use of that word (is just a word, isn't?) with certain circles; and you link your judgment about those circles with the use of the word.
Therefore, you never muck on "resulting hexagram" but you do muck on "tendential hexagram"
I understand you (at least I think I do), hope you can undertand that naming the hex "tendential hexagram" is not necesarly what you presume it is.
I only know a "circle" exists and that you and others are members of it so I'm limited to judge and analyze "members" with whom I interact. Perhaps when I know what the "circle" is; when it ceases to be a "hermetic circle," I may be able to figure out what the "circle" is
If we are an hermetic circle, how could you suscribe to our forum last days? Because you alreday had sign in www.iching.cl isn't?
What a fraud... an hermetic circle that have a public website, where anyone can sign. Funny, you suscribed to the website of this "hermetic fraternity" before than me
Again, I have wrote about the circle of study where I belong since my first posts here in Clarity. That's why in the first months here, most of the critics against my comments was against Wilhelm (because, I publically linked my learning to a circle linked to Wilhelm)
My argument was and remains objective and semantic and without a bit of animosity against the "circles."
No animosity against the circles?, I don't believe it. I have no problem with someone having problem with them; but I do have problem when someone denies his/her problems, and try to present as "you are dogmatic, I'm objective".
I] I'm not mucking anything. I offered a logical argument against the use of a certain way to name something. There is no hidden agenda there...[/I]
I don't think you have a hidden agenda Luis.
About mucking:
Well, at least he's not using the word "tendential"...
Oh my!! It is spreading into English....!!!
For the sake of "consistency," let's, all of us, start using "tendential hexagram,"
I'm with you about don't attempt to sell the use of a word as gospel... but, for the same reason, I'm against the prohibition to use some word.
Funny, you suscribed to the website of this "hermetic fraternity" before than me
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