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And the Yi knows me.
An idea occurred to me. (Uh-oh...)
We talk here about the meaning of a hexagram or the meaning of a line, but I'm wondering to what extent the meaning of a hexagram or a line is user-specific. For instance, for me Hex 21 might mean X, cuz it always refers to situations where X is the issue, whereas for you Hex 21 might mean Y, with quite a different meaning from X, again cuz for you Hex 21 always refers to situations where Y is the issue.
You known, meanings in the Yi (or in any other literate medium) will always be somewhere on the continuum between completely individual/idiosyncratic and common/shared. But for something like the Yi, perhaps those individual meanings will play a larger part, for two reasons: first, the Yi deals in symbols and generalities, and these will ALWAYS translate into a variety of individual differences; second, people's personalities (and souls or essences, I believe) are different, and so the Yi will have a meaning that's as unique for each user as a drug is unique for each user. Alcohol strikes different people in different ways, right? Depending on their personality.
Whatcha think?
...I think there's a difference between the Yi's usefulness as an oracle, councilor - whatever we want to call it - and the actual literally translated text. It seems that it's impossible to literally translate it to English, anyway, so it seems a lot is left up to individual interpretation.
I find myself sometimes disagreeing with my own statements about a given hexagram, because the circumstances to which I'm applying it changes. (I'm sure Chris could have a real field-day with that one.)
An idea occurred to me. (Uh-oh...)
We talk here about the meaning of a hexagram or the meaning of a line, but I'm wondering to what extent the meaning of a hexagram or a line is user-specific.
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Alcohol strikes different people in different ways, right? Depending on their personality.
Whatcha think?
An idea occurred to me. (Uh-oh...)
We talk here about the meaning of a hexagram or the meaning of a line, but I'm wondering to what extent the meaning of a hexagram or a line is user-specific. For instance, for me Hex 21 might mean X, cuz it always refers to situations where X is the issue, whereas for you Hex 21 might mean Y, with quite a different meaning from X, again cuz for you Hex 21 always refers to situations where Y is the issue.
21 Shih Ho is to me like riding a race horse. When near finish you have to make your horse bite the strap in his mouth
to keep up the speed and whip him to say, that now it's time to concentrate and move on to win the race.
Maybe this meaning of the hexagram is neither X nor Y but Z?
I'm wondering to what extent the meaning of a hexagram or a line is user-specific. For instance, for me Hex 21 might mean X, cuz it always refers to situations where X is the issue, whereas for you Hex 21 might mean Y, with quite a different meaning from X, again cuz for you Hex 21 always refers to situations where Y is the issue.
When making an extra effort to hang on, then it hurts, and all of us, shamans or not, bite our teeth together.I think it is user specific but even there the meaning of a hexagram or line is not static. Hex 21 might have meant X for you a year ago but now has morphed into Y (or Z).
Actually, I have been checking out situations and corresponding readings on this forum (with the hexagram index) to see whether particular translations fitted with what seemed to have happened. I've found lots of times that it didn't with the translation the querant appeared to have been using, and that a different translation of my own did actually fit.
When making an extra effort to hang on, then it hurts, and all of us, shamans or not, bite our teeth together.
This common human behaviour is to me static pictured by hexagram 21 Shih Ho, while my view at the energies
of the trigrams Fire and Thunder is not static and changes all the time depending on the actual situation.
Jacques
What you are describing, ewald, is called a "post-hoc" assumption and is experimentally invalid.
Does this mean nothing can be learned through retrospection?
I'm a dane and danes "bite their teeth together" when it hurts. It's a part of our behaviour and a common phrase in our language. That's why the hexagram 21 Shih Ho is a piece of cake to me, while e.g. hexagram 52 Kên is extreme difficult to understand, because danes don't behave this chinese way.Perhaps it is static because your view of it is static? There's nothing common about the shaman (in us) to bite through seemingly impossible obstructions - as though they didn't exist.
From one or two cases, you can't make general statements (scientifically speaking). Post-hoc research is sometimes performed with large samples, but the results aren't conclusive.
I'm a dane and danes "bite their teeth together" when it hurts. It's a part of our behaviour and a common phrase in our language. That's why the hexagram 21 Shih Ho is a piece of cake to me, while e.g. hexagram 52 Kên is extreme difficult to understand, because danes don't behave this chinese way.
Are we talking exact science (other than Chris)?
I dunno, Jack; if we won't learn from our mistakes or the mistakes of others, what are we doing with our nose in the Yijing?
Is that an evasion of Bruce's remark?Divining the future, of course.
Is that an evasion of Bruce's remark?
So, you seem to assume that only through rigorous and strict scientific research truth can be found.This "experimenter bias" is the reason why double-blind experiments are usually performed, in which neither the subject nor the experimenter knows the purpose of the experiment. Only the researcher knows, and he/she doesn't take part in the study, but only designs the experiment and hands it off to others to do the actual research.
What you are describing, ewald, is called a "post-hoc" assumption and is experimentally invalid.
Are you assuming that I'm drawing conclusions on the basis of one or two cases?From one or two cases, you can't make general statements (scientifically speaking). Post-hoc research is sometimes performed with large samples, but the results aren't conclusive.
Not at all. Ewald and Bruce, do you play pool? According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, if you hit a billiard ball at the same angle with the same force 100 times in a row and it always moves in the same direction, you still cannot predict with certainty that it won't move in a different direction the next time. In other words, each moment in time is unique and unpredictable.
Are you assuming that I'm drawing conclusions on the basis of one or two cases?
Interesting factoid, fair enough.
What of hex 26, where the noble makes use of stored knowledge of past deeds, in order to develop?
Absolutely not. Only through divining the nature of your place in the universe can the truth be found.
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