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legume

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hello online clarity community :rolleyes:

about a year ago i quit facebook for a while, then after about half a year got back in to confirm a friend’s birthday and just stayed there, rather inactive though, pretty much only using the chat to keep in touch with few people. break from social media gave me clarity and i managed to get rid of the unhealthy habit - randomly landing on the blue page and browsing through people’s lives for absolutely no reason… i noticed, that over time a lot of people also changed their relationship with the site, adjusted their privacy settings and generally seemed to have lost interest in constantly broadcasting their experience. even my mom, who initially felt scared to lose fb messenger as an easy way to communicate and share some things with me (never used it on the phone though), has finally distanced herself and spends much less time there.

i haven’t been posting for years, but as i come across certain videos, exciting articles or interesting information, i sometimes feel like sharing them with the world and obviously fb would most likely appear like the best place for it. yet any time this inclination arises i also start feeling dread at the very thought of participating in this world wide phenomenon of status updates…

so, what’s stopping me from posting on facebook? 64 > 63

i don’t remember getting a reading with all changing lines, and find this before and after completion pairing especially interesting. at the same time, it’s difficult for me to understand this answer.

i might dislike the interface and algorithms the site uses, how messy it is, how it poses threat to some of my less tech-savvy friends, some of whom maybe would have got catfished if i wasn’t asked to step in, but at the same time, when i returned to it i got contacted by a friend i haven’t heard from in almost a decade. we used to be best mates as 7-16 year olds and grew apart through high school, uni and grownup life. she never had fb, but has messenger on her phone, so initially, not knowing fb can make such connections, i thought i was being scammed for a phone number in a very weird and well thought out plot. eventually we did reconnect and met again, even though we live now in different countries, and are slowly rediscovering this friendship that apparently never ceased.

although i know the site is not inherently evil, i still don’t feel comfortable exhibiting some of my interests in front of all my fb contacts. i’m there for my „friends”, but having done some ecomm analytics as a job, i’m also aware of the importance of this medium in growing one’s business and advertising. maybe the reading points to some personal project i gotta take on, make a blog of some sort or create a bigger website and then start posting on its behalf, from another account?

64 - i’m not completely ready within myself yet, to step into the social media without it affecting me, i’m afraid that i’m like that little fox, who barely learned how to keep its mind and heart still, while the urge to post something might create a deep crack of doubt, getting fox’s tail wet again and thus all my efforts of consolidating some understanding or at least maintaining some state of mind (water into ice) become in vain?

63 - at the same time, even if i eventually reached out to people from the place of „inner order”, this expression of myself being already externalised and meeting the outside world would inevitably meet with confusion and doubt, as that’s how external world operates?

it seems the message here is, to meet the outside world from a place of internal harmony and stay aware of possibly cacophonic results, rather than haphazardly jump into it at every whim of the excited heart?

would be curious, if anyone survived this reading so far, to to know what are your overall thoughts on this and the hexagram pair?

privacy aside, how come i feel more comfortable posting on this forum? 12.2 > 6

i read line 2 as supporting surroundings that provide stability and safe place even for the inferior elements in ones psyche, in the context of resolving one’s inner conflicts (hex 6).
thank you for this space :)
 

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Tip. If you don't write in the change lines it means people have to go get some paper and a pen to figure them out and people don't have time to do that so won't answer. So you needed to write this cast as 64.1.2.3.4.5.6>63. Okay because this is all lines changing it's obvious to most but still you won't get answers if you don't out the lines in.

about a year ago i quit facebook for a while, then after about half a year got back in to confirm a friend’s birthday and just stayed there, rather inactive though, pretty much only using the chat to keep in touch with few people. break from social media gave me clarity and i managed to get rid of the unhealthy habit - randomly landing on the blue page and browsing through people’s lives for absolutely no reason… i noticed, that over time a lot of people also changed their relationship with the site, adjusted their privacy settings and generally seemed to have lost interest in constantly broadcasting their experience. even my mom, who initially felt scared to lose fb messenger as an easy way to communicate and share some things with me (never used it on the phone though), has finally distanced herself and spends much less time there.
I hate Facebook. I joined once and it just took all the people I had ever had an email from and made them 'friends'. I think that was a breach of privacy that happened to a lot of people. I also hate the whole false 'friends' thing. I left or tried to leave after 20 minutes.

i haven’t been posting for years, but as i come across certain videos, exciting articles or interesting information, i sometimes feel like sharing them with the world and obviously fb would most likely appear like the best place for it. yet any time this inclination arises i also start feeling dread at the very thought of participating in this world wide phenomenon of status updates…
Yes


so, what’s stopping me from posting on facebook? 64 > 63

i don’t remember getting a reading with all changing lines, and find this before and after completion pairing especially interesting. at the same time, it’s difficult for me to understand this answer.
So you have 2 hexagrams that are opposites or complements and they are 63/64. We had a conversation in CC where someone else had this reading I think, I have the idea it was [MENTION=21214]mandarin_23[/MENTION] but I could be wrong, and that reading may have been private so she may not want to share but may have some ideas anyway.

So what's stopping you ? Well to me it looks like you're done with it as if you could wear the Tshirt saying "Been there, done that, got the tshirt".

I mean 64 is Not Yet across and with all lines changing it ends up across - river crossed.

I don't actually know how this answers your question. With all lines changing you have yang pattern 1 and yin pattern 2 to me it seems there is a fulfilment in the reading, whatever you wanted has happened or is there if you want it.

Facebook isn't somewhere you are heading to as if it were a place and then you find you don't want to, it's different, a different land who's borders you already crossed as fully as you can. You are still there. I think in answer to your question Yi asks you to think differently about what facebook is in some way.

I have noticed that it is natural for me/us to think of online places as if they are lands. This is a land I visit, then it might be a land I don't visit. I never actually leave because what is the point you don't need to throw away your passport even if you never want to travel again.

Except online places aren't lands they are places we are in in quite a different way. I think Yi is showing that your idea of being there or not there isn't how it is. 64/63 complements and a pair. Not yet there and Already there 2 sides same coin. Even you not being there is part of you being there. it evolves, people use it differently and often absences are eloquent.

i might dislike the interface and algorithms the site uses, how messy it is, how it poses threat to some of my less tech-savvy friends, some of whom maybe would have got catfished if i wasn’t asked to step in, but at the same time, when i returned to it i got contacted by a friend i haven’t heard from in almost a decade. we used to be best mates as 7-16 year olds and grew apart through high school, uni and grownup life. she never had fb, but has messenger on her phone, so initially, not knowing fb can make such connections, i thought i was being scammed for a phone number in a very weird and well thought out plot. eventually we did reconnect and met again, even though we live now in different countries, and are slowly rediscovering this friendship that apparently never ceased.
What I was struggling to articulate in the previous paragraph is kind of summed up here in what you say. You found that that friendship hadn't actually gone anywhere - it hadn't ceased. The land of Facebook is like this except it's a land in an entirely different sense, a mind land almost. I'm not with you, I don't know who you are or where you are but the river is crossed because I can talk to you here but when I'm not talking to you neither of us vanish....

although i know the site is not inherently evil, i still don’t feel comfortable exhibiting some of my interests in front of all my fb contacts. i’m there for my „friends”, but having done some ecomm analytics as a job, i’m also aware of the importance of this medium in growing one’s business and advertising. maybe the reading points to some personal project i gotta take on, make a blog of some sort or create a bigger website and then start posting on its behalf, from another account?
I don't know much about this

64 - i’m not completely ready within myself yet, to step into the social media without it affecting me, i’m afraid that i’m like that little fox, who barely learned how to keep its mind and heart still, while the urge to post something might create a deep crack of doubt, getting fox’s tail wet again and thus all my efforts of consolidating some understanding or at least maintaining some state of mind (water into ice) become in vain?
Well you are both unready and ready in this cast, I think this is a highly creative combination, very fluid. You can make and then remake or withdraw then remake...There isn't a sense of anything irrevocable, it feels like drawing in the sand, making it new, starting again, completing, making it new

63 - at the same time, even if i eventually reached out to people from the place of „inner order”, this expression of myself being already externalised and meeting the outside world would inevitably meet with confusion and doubt, as that’s how external world operates?
I don't think so, I don't think there's a prediction this will end in confusion in this cast. I think you can play as much as you could if you were a kid with a bucket and spade on a beach.

it seems the message here is, to meet the outside world from a place of internal harmony and stay aware of possibly cacophonic results, rather than haphazardly jump into it at every whim of the excited heart?
I don't see that especially, I see more jump in and play and then leave if you want. I think it's all so much bigger than you are it also shapes you. This is a highly interactive, fluid, engaged cast IMO



would be curious, if anyone survived this reading so far, to to know what are your overall thoughts on this and the hexagram pair?

privacy aside, how come i feel more comfortable posting on this forum? 12.2 > 6

i read line 2 as supporting surroundings that provide stability and safe place even for the inferior elements in ones psyche, in the context of resolving one’s inner conflicts (hex 6).
thank you for this space :)
Do you mean this forum ? I Ching is a specialised interest not many people know much about so the chance of your friends finding you here is quite slim I guess. But 12.2 for why you feel more comfortable ? There's good fortune for the small person in line 2 but not for the greater person and we all have both and we need both. So the greater person is self determining, plans, sees far ahead in accord with their purpose, the smaller does what it is given to do. Strange answer to your question, not sure about it.
 

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Hi legume,

once I started a thread on all lines changing - readings. I didn't have your result - I remember, though, another participant had, arimoshe (or was it the other way round??) but I had 43|23. I then asked if I should make a decision to leave a certain club whose president is toxic, or not, and I think now that the Yi pictured my complete ambiguity in an ambiguous situation and in the end I understood: I'm free just to do what I want to do. This, I think, is change pattern 1 - other than change pattern 2, unchanged hexagrams, when the Yi tells you: just look, this is your situation.

As all lines changes, it might point at your creativity. If you ask: what stops me? Then obviously 64 is the little fox, a certain shyness, and some fear to "cross the great water". But there seems to be an attraction nevertheless. When looking at 63, there is a question about: do I really need that?

So it will be best find a creative solution. Ask yourself again: what would you like to share on facebook? And what not? Are there other good ways to share Information? All line changing is a call for creativity, think big!

All the best
Mandarine_23
 

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Synchronistically after writing this I put the radio on to hear people talking bout how personal space vanishes when we use smartphones and devices to access media, videos etc. The idea of personal space was being discussed and some learned people were saying all animals and birds have a very clear sense of personal space so if you walk up to a zebra at a certain point it will back off in the same way that a person would. We all have this space around us where we don't let people come except in intimacy, so do all mammals and birds somehow will keep the exact same space apart when sitting on a wire for example.

In a theatre the sense of self is very clear, we know we are watching, observing but with phones, laptops etc they become almost part of our thinking, part of our inner space. So if you share on facebook maybe you diminish that sense of personal space in a way that you don't here.

That makes 12.2 make more sense. You have more distance here because of feeling a small person, easy to vanish, things like that you don't have on Facebook.


Crossed posts with mandarin, you are right I think it was arimoshe had this cast perhaps

This, I think, is change pattern 1 - other than change pattern 2, unchanged hexagrams, when the Yi tells you: just look, this is your situation.
The yang pattern is 1 the yin pattern is 2. But you wouldn't call them unchanged because this is just the change pattern, just like you wouldn't call the relating hexagram unchanged. Only the primary hexagram can be said to be unchanging.
 

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thank you both for the answers!

Tip. If you don't write in the change lines it means people have to go get some paper and a pen to figure them out and people don't have time to do that so won't answer. So you needed to write this cast as 64.1.2.3.4.5.6>63.
noted ;)

So what's stopping you ? Well to me it looks like you're done with it as if you could wear the Tshirt saying "Been there, done that, got the tshirt".

[...] you are both unready and ready in this cast, I think this is a highly creative combination, very fluid. You can make and then remake or withdraw then remake...There isn't a sense of anything irrevocable, it feels like drawing in the sand, making it new, starting again, completing, making it new
As all lines changes, it might point at your creativity. If you ask: what stops me? Then obviously 64 is the little fox, a certain shyness, and some fear to "cross the great water". But there seems to be an attraction nevertheless. When looking at 63, there is a question about: do I really need that?

So it will be best find a creative solution. Ask yourself again: what would you like to share on facebook? And what not? Are there other good ways to share Information? All line changing is a call for creativity, think big!

ok, this gave me some perspective. maybe the answer is simpler than i thought - what's stopping me is that i just don't feel the need to post anything...

the feeling of wanting to share a personal discovery with the whole world, as anyone might experience sometimes, isn't linked with social media and the connections by which i can reach out exist far beyond it. and in a way, it's almost as if i'm being told - we've been through this already...

to me, the drawing in the sand could be about some self-renewal cycle, i established already my relationship with the site, however as i still lurk in there sometimes, the need to reestablish, or check in again (if i still don't need it) with myself happens.

I don't know much about this
this will definitely require a follow up question :bows: but here comes the idea to share some of my personal research, together with translating certain books that are now in public domain to my native language while making already existing resources more available online which has been growing in me for a while, but it's still not consolidated. the process of not using fb has been really helpful tho in just staying more organised, gathering materials - saving for myself a lot more things that i would normally want to casually by random share with others (and forget about later), which gave me a clearer picture of what i'm actually "on to"...

finding the right output or platform for what i've taken in and want to express somehow, be it through a blog or my own website of some sort, could just be it, but getting this idea to crystalise could very much be in the lines of mentioned creativity and definitely thinking big. while keeping fb account and treating it like a playground, or a sandbox, where things, after all can be tested, played with or even undone also very much fits the context.


There's good fortune for the small person in line 2 but not for the greater person and we all have both and we need both. So the greater person is self determining, plans, sees far ahead in accord with their purpose, the smaller does what it is given to do. Strange answer to your question, not sure about it.
maybe i'm here to explore my smaller person (the lazy one that doesn't actually do that much :D)

That makes 12.2 make more sense. You have more distance here because of feeling a small person, easy to vanish, things like that you don't have on Facebook.
but that's another interesting point :)
 

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Facebook, definition:

The computer platform developed by this creeping-tom in order to spy on you and sell all of your information to the highest bidders.
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Synchronistically after writing this I put the radio on to hear people talking bout how personal space vanishes when we use smartphones and devices to access media, videos etc. The idea of personal space was being discussed and some learned people were saying all animals and birds have a very clear sense of personal space so if you walk up to a zebra at a certain point it will back off in the same way that a person would. We all have this space around us where we don't let people come except in intimacy, so do all mammals and birds somehow will keep the exact same space apart when sitting on a wire for example.

In a theatre the sense of self is very clear, we know we are watching, observing but with phones, laptops etc they become almost part of our thinking, part of our inner space. So if you share on facebook maybe you diminish that sense of personal space in a way that you don't here.
i can relate so much on the topic of personal space and it's been on my mind for years actually, but what you described made me see it as if light going through a prism, how much upside down we've become in a way. also, btw, soon after i started this thread i discovered (and not by means of tricky algorithms but by series of coincidences ;)) documentaries by Adam Curtis in which he touches on this trend of individualisation within society...

The computer platform developed by this creeping-tom in order to spy on you and sell all of your information to the highest bidders.
couldn't put it any better myself :rofl:
but unfortunately i'm afraid google has way more of my data...
 

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