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After two years, my partner and I have closed the book of our tumultuous relationship. Both of us relatively long in the tooth, well, middle aged anyway, neither married, though both have had relationships before (he had more long ones than me, though they are all married to other people now), no children, both set in our ways, independent, probably stubborn, and a bit selfish. I think he’s more selfish than me, but who’s to say. I would, wouldn’t I. We persevered and persevered, because of our great fondness for each other, and while he said I was the person he has loved most, my love for him was of a different kind, perhaps less euphoric, but nevertheless the richest and most sustained I have yet been part of. At times we could be sweetly and comfortably companionable but frequently we triggered great ruptures of resentment and fury in the other. Those have been our undoing and, finally, it was his worn patience which tore through at the end and he lost faith we could ever find a way to be more harmonious. It was an abrupt and disorientating ending and, while I see and feel the sense of it, am deeply uncertain whether it is right, though that may be irrelevant if he is as certain as he seems at present. He has quite brutally, I would say, disconnected. He has done that before, and come back, but this feels different in tone. I asked the I Ching if I should get in touch with him and received 55 changing to 2. I’m interested in the first line of 55 which suggests we are very similar, which it reminds me we are, but Legge’s translation makes the point that if we ‘seek to overpass this similarity’, which we did, there will be ‘calamity’. There was. But 55 seems to me to be saying be bold and do not grieve, and 2 as its companion seems to be saying hold to your own truth. The reading does not seem to give an indication of the future, and how could it, but neither does it seem to negatively reflect on the prospect of contacting him, but equally the general tenet of strength and the midday sun perhaps suggests I should allow myself to shine steadily in my own orbit for a while without being drawn into his. I have felt for a long time that aspects of his upbringing and personal history (suicide of brother, domineering father dying when he was 15, a refugee family which escaped traumatic circumstances and came here when he was a toddler, since when he has assimilated with extraordinary dexterity but perhaps with some fracturing if his inner and outer selves) have led to some deep difficulties with commitment and respect in close intimate relationships. He is nearly 50, I a few years younger. Every now and then he intimates he can be difficult but frequently denies that too. I am a wilful only child from early divorced parents, so neither of us can be said to have immediate childhood experience of happy relationships. At times we both acknowledged this and tried hard to communicate better, and trust more, but by the end we were overcome by mutual recriminations and bitter mistrust which caused us both great pain because we both acknowledged we had felt great love for each other and, at this stage of life, you know it when you find it. He can be a bit depressive with me but utterly charming to others, especially to his many female friends. He seems to need to be liked and spreads his energy and time thinly amongst a huge variety of people. I found that exhausting and deleterious to our relationship and its growth. Which I made clear. Which he found difficult.A bit of background!I would be very interested to hear people’s thoughts. Thank you.
 

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Thank you Freedda, I’ve just changed my settings. Much appreciated. I’m trying to edit because, as you suggest, I did in fact carefully write this in paragraphs which were compressed into one big block. The edit function doesn’t seem to like my smart phone but I will persevere. Meanwhile I would be enormously grateful to hear any thoughts members may have on this reading. Huge thanks.
 

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Oh dear, it does not seem to like the apostrophe either! It has changed them into lots of odd signs. I will try to edit from a laptop later. Just to make it clear that in my replybto you Freedda those hotch potches of punctuation and symbols were inputted as apostrophes!
 
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Hi Mandolin,

if I should get in touch with him
55.1.3.4 > 2


I'm assuming that when you ask "should I" you mean "would it have any good result". It would have some result, but not a great one.

55 is a bitter-sweet hexagram and 2 is an empty one. The lines of 55 here don't sound good for a stable and real relationship. 55.1 is too short-term, in 55.3 there's a break-up, and in 55.4 there's a secret rendez-vous. So when you say that he's charming to his many female friends, from this cast I believe it's not just attention-seeking, he has actually cheated on you (and will do so again).

As a footnote, I'll say that it doesn't matter what a person claims they feel about someone else. What matters most is this person's actions. What good is it to you if he claims he loves you, when he clearly told you that (for whatever reason, it's irrelevant) he won't commit?
 

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Hello Diamanda,

Thank you. Yes, that is helpful. I think it will not have a good result, as you say. He certainly told me over and over he wanted to commit and have children but in reality his actions never made enough space for that to happen, at least not to me. He tirelessly said he had never felt love like it and that he had never felt like that before. But in reality none of his previous relationships survived and they all left and married other people. He is 50 next year and I had hoped he would finally grapple with what a deep relationship needs to thrive. Equally I was complicit in it, by staying for so long. It is hard to accept that he thinks another person might magically provide him with a relationship which is free of complication. Re cheating, he definitely didn’t. He may be an avoidant, but not in that way. And we have enough friends in common and he has a great fear of being dishonourable or being seen to behave in a bad way. So that alone would have stopped him! But no, with certainty I can say that he hasn’t cheated.
Hi Mandolin,

if I should get in touch with him
55.1.3.4 > 2


I'm assuming that when you ask "should I" you mean "would it have any good result". It would have some result, but not a great one.

55 is a bitter-sweet hexagram and 2 is an empty one. The lines of 55 here don't sound good for a stable and real relationship. 55.1 is too short-term, in 55.3 there's a break-up, and in 55.4 there's a secret rendez-vous. So when you say that he's charming to his many female friends, from this cast I believe it's not just attention-seeking, he has actually cheated on you (and will do so again).

As a footnote, I'll say that it doesn't matter what a person claims they feel about someone else. What matters most is this person's actions. What good is it to you if he claims he loves you, when he clearly told you that (for whatever reason, it's irrelevant) he won't commit?
 

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Hello Mandolin32,

I hope you don't mind my English (it's not my first language and certainly not the best in the world), but while reading your first posting I wondered if you both ever tried any form of counselling or relationship therapy? I could be totally off, but it seems to me, reading your post that most of your problems are part of the individual psyche, and are far more older than the relationship you both had together. Even though I am a couple years younger, I do really understand that there might be some urgency to try and make it work, because it feels to be worth it.
I'm a total novice to I Ching, but reading those lines, I somehow get the impression of a kind of limbo situation - first line: Advance will call forth approval; third line: He breaks his right arm (ability to act), which could signify the complications you both already had, especially psychologically because of things that happened long time ago; The fourth line (according to Legge) meets again with the first line, so this could suggest some kind of a cycle back and forth.
By reading your post, I get the impression that you both should seek some kind of help and councelling in order to make your relationship work. It's just a mere thought, but maybe you try and contact him and put this on the table as a condition for restoring your relationship with each others. At least you can tell yourself afterwards that you really did anything possible to make this relationship work and you don't look back with any kind of regret.
I wish you the very best (and, again, sorry for my English).
 

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Yes, this is such a good suggestion but sadly the time has passed. He has closed the door though has closed it many times before. Whenever there was an upheaval of any sort he would end the relationship. I suppose it was a control thing; but many people would have accepted those episodes as part of the ebb and flow of a relationship. He has said if I want we can have a coffee at the end of the year. So I think it’s clear I mustn’t try to fight for it anymore and let him go. Interestingly he would often hold up his last significant relationship as an example of how smooth he is usually in relationships and how many of our problems were my fault. But I know friends of his very nice ex, who say that it very obviously wasn’t a great relationship as she left him after five years and married someone else a couple of years after, leaving him with the immortal words ‘I just wanted to be loved’. So I think I have to accept that at 49, he perhaps has enduring difficulties with loving, however much he blames me. Though I think now I have to try to focus on asking for guidance from the I Ching as to how best to support myself now, emotionally and to endure the awful sense of loss. It is not easy. Thank you so much for your contribution, I much appreciate it.
 
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diamanda

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He certainly told me over and over he wanted to commit and have children but in reality his actions never made enough space for that to happen
Thanks for clarifying, I got that point wrong because in your first post you wrote "deep difficulties with commitment", so I was assuming he told you he doesn't want commitment. As you say though, no matter what he said, his actions didn't point towards commitment at all.

He is 50 next year and I had hoped he would finally grapple with what a deep relationship needs to thrive
After so many decades alive, he certainly knows what it takes for a relationship to thrive. Unless his mental and intellectual faculties are severely challenged, in which case he would need intensive professional help, which might, or might not turn him into a functional adult who can form relationships. I don't believe that people like him don't know what it takes - they know, they just don't want (or can't) do it. Or, if they truly don't know and don't get it at 50, they need professional help.
You certainly don't want to be placing your hopes for the future into someone who is either lying, or needs professional help with unknown results.
 

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