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Malka,
from ICPlus:
Line 3 "A dangerous situation can occur within an army if it is inefficient or if the 'raw' take control over the 'refined'. (Breaking with tradition)"
http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/lofting/000010.html (click on the hexagram symbol to get the additional relationships page).
Chris.
from ICPlus:
Line 3 "A dangerous situation can occur within an army if it is inefficient or if the 'raw' take control over the 'refined'. (Breaking with tradition)"
http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/lofting/000010.html (click on the hexagram symbol to get the additional relationships page).
Chris.
Hi Malka,
You asked for it!
Sam Reifler, I Ching, (A New Interp. For Modern Times)
7.3
trans: the soldiers in the wagon are dead . Ominous
Comment: miscalculating your strengths, denying your weaknesses, you have set forth on a path of inevitable disaster.
Carol Anthony, Guide to the I ching.
Trans: Perchance the army carries corpses.
Comment: Wrong elements lead us to defeat. It is not a case of overcoming our ego, but preventing it from encroaching into leadership of our personality. We need to resist its dominance and be on guard for its despairing cries. "I can't stand this anymore". It wants to be "us" but isn't, unless we allow it to be. Our
rue nature is correct and does no need to contend or strive. This line also means that our although our actions led to defeat our attitude should be one of modesty and acceptance, not allowing hardening elements such as anger or pride to take over. If we disperse all negatives the bad effects of our mistakes will be dispelled. When we do things incorrectly, their is always a residue of remorse within us- here called corpses- that must be put in their graves...that is resolved and understood. This is natural.
Bye Malka
You asked for it!
Sam Reifler, I Ching, (A New Interp. For Modern Times)
7.3
trans: the soldiers in the wagon are dead . Ominous
Comment: miscalculating your strengths, denying your weaknesses, you have set forth on a path of inevitable disaster.
Carol Anthony, Guide to the I ching.
Trans: Perchance the army carries corpses.
Comment: Wrong elements lead us to defeat. It is not a case of overcoming our ego, but preventing it from encroaching into leadership of our personality. We need to resist its dominance and be on guard for its despairing cries. "I can't stand this anymore". It wants to be "us" but isn't, unless we allow it to be. Our
rue nature is correct and does no need to contend or strive. This line also means that our although our actions led to defeat our attitude should be one of modesty and acceptance, not allowing hardening elements such as anger or pride to take over. If we disperse all negatives the bad effects of our mistakes will be dispelled. When we do things incorrectly, their is always a residue of remorse within us- here called corpses- that must be put in their graves...that is resolved and understood. This is natural.
Bye Malka
Malka,
WU WEI: Leadership is either completely in the wrong hands, or a highly placed subordinate is undermining the leader. In either case, misfortune is incurred, and if the misplaced leadership or undermining is allowed to continue, defeat will ensue.
KARCHER: "The Legions are carting the corpse. 'Perhaps stay in mourning?' Trap !!. The Way closes."
Dead bodies, old memories, useless ideas and false images, the isolation of mourning the past will defeat you. Step out of the Mourning Hut. This is the moment to emerge. Carry your inspiration with you and trust the spirit. Set your forces in order. Do it now.
Direction: Make the effort. If you let yourself be led, you can realise hidden potential. The situation is already changing.
BROWNE WALKER: Inferior influences have taken control of the situation. Unless ego is disciplined, there is defeat and humiliation in store. Patience and disengagement are called for now.
ARCATI: "Too many ride in the wagon. Misfortune."
Don't forget that you have weaknesses. If you do, failure will result. Exercise authority over yourself and others, as they may not be what they seem.
AUTHOR UNNAMED: "The army may have many inefficient leaders. There will be misfortune."
Be honest and vigilant about your own faults and weaknesses otherwise your endeavour will end in failure. Maintain a perceptive and judicious sense of authority and control over yourself and others.
REIFLER: "The soldiers in the wagon are dead."
Miscalculating your strengths, denying your weaknesses, have set you forth on a path of inevitable disaster.
MINE: "Ego rules - Disaster."
The satisfaction of ego-based desires has usurped the achievement of worthy goals. The fault lies within you. You have character weaknesses. Identify them. Correct them. If you continue on your present path, you and your group face ignominious defeat.
Michael F.
WU WEI: Leadership is either completely in the wrong hands, or a highly placed subordinate is undermining the leader. In either case, misfortune is incurred, and if the misplaced leadership or undermining is allowed to continue, defeat will ensue.
KARCHER: "The Legions are carting the corpse. 'Perhaps stay in mourning?' Trap !!. The Way closes."
Dead bodies, old memories, useless ideas and false images, the isolation of mourning the past will defeat you. Step out of the Mourning Hut. This is the moment to emerge. Carry your inspiration with you and trust the spirit. Set your forces in order. Do it now.
Direction: Make the effort. If you let yourself be led, you can realise hidden potential. The situation is already changing.
BROWNE WALKER: Inferior influences have taken control of the situation. Unless ego is disciplined, there is defeat and humiliation in store. Patience and disengagement are called for now.
ARCATI: "Too many ride in the wagon. Misfortune."
Don't forget that you have weaknesses. If you do, failure will result. Exercise authority over yourself and others, as they may not be what they seem.
AUTHOR UNNAMED: "The army may have many inefficient leaders. There will be misfortune."
Be honest and vigilant about your own faults and weaknesses otherwise your endeavour will end in failure. Maintain a perceptive and judicious sense of authority and control over yourself and others.
REIFLER: "The soldiers in the wagon are dead."
Miscalculating your strengths, denying your weaknesses, have set you forth on a path of inevitable disaster.
MINE: "Ego rules - Disaster."
The satisfaction of ego-based desires has usurped the achievement of worthy goals. The fault lies within you. You have character weaknesses. Identify them. Correct them. If you continue on your present path, you and your group face ignominious defeat.
Michael F.
You have all been generous. I am trying to not ask too much of this forum and so only requested the line readings. But if someone is up to take it on --
The question was from my friend (see 33>37 thread) who asked about her partner, How does he feel about moving forward with her? The answer was 7>46. I feel confident (somewhat!) in translating 46 but was stuck with the line. Now, given all of your insights I'm more confused about how these fit together for her.
Thank you for your insights on this one.
Malka
The question was from my friend (see 33>37 thread) who asked about her partner, How does he feel about moving forward with her? The answer was 7>46. I feel confident (somewhat!) in translating 46 but was stuck with the line. Now, given all of your insights I'm more confused about how these fit together for her.
Thank you for your insights on this one.
Malka
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Malka,
Your WB says in line 3: "points to defeat because someone other than the chosen leader interferes with the command"
I maintain, it appears he wants to be the suitor, to drive, to lead, to engage. He probably loses interest and motivation if or when his lady friend assumes the initiative. Her weight is probably more an issue with her than with him, and maybe that?s why she feels she needs to take control or try too hard, as a compensation?
Candid
Your WB says in line 3: "points to defeat because someone other than the chosen leader interferes with the command"
I maintain, it appears he wants to be the suitor, to drive, to lead, to engage. He probably loses interest and motivation if or when his lady friend assumes the initiative. Her weight is probably more an issue with her than with him, and maybe that?s why she feels she needs to take control or try too hard, as a compensation?
Candid
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<U>THE LOVERS I CHING (KARCHER)</U>: 7.3
The past, old memories, useless ideas and false images of what you want surround you. You must get rid of them. You must do it now.
<U>THE EVERYDAY I CHING (DENING)</U>: 7.3
Take no chances. You are not in a strong position. If you act without carefully considering the consequences, even your best efforts will accomplish nothing.
<U>12 CHANNELS OF THE I CHING (SEABROOK)</U>: 7.3
(listing only 6 of the 12)
Innocence: Following too many examples serves only to confuse.
Emotion: Carrying too much unrequited emotion stifles the ability to love.
Communication: Too many voices clamouring to be heard destroy effective dialogue.
Service: Effectiveness is weakened by serving more than one master.
Nurture: Allowing too much leeway destroys respect.
Reason: Looking for too many explanations only clouds the issue.
The past, old memories, useless ideas and false images of what you want surround you. You must get rid of them. You must do it now.
<U>THE EVERYDAY I CHING (DENING)</U>: 7.3
Take no chances. You are not in a strong position. If you act without carefully considering the consequences, even your best efforts will accomplish nothing.
<U>12 CHANNELS OF THE I CHING (SEABROOK)</U>: 7.3
(listing only 6 of the 12)
Innocence: Following too many examples serves only to confuse.
Emotion: Carrying too much unrequited emotion stifles the ability to love.
Communication: Too many voices clamouring to be heard destroy effective dialogue.
Service: Effectiveness is weakened by serving more than one master.
Nurture: Allowing too much leeway destroys respect.
Reason: Looking for too many explanations only clouds the issue.
Candid, I/we are not sure where you keep getting the impression she has been suiting/courting him. And, her weight is definately an issue for HIM. Do not wish to dismiss your valuable perspective, jut do not see it. Please feel free to say more if you wish. Men's advice is welcomed on this one!
Dharma, your Lovers I Ching is amazing in the situation. Still wonder how this transitions into 46? Does he get past it?
Dharma, your Lovers I Ching is amazing in the situation. Still wonder how this transitions into 46? Does he get past it?
Hello Malka,
Just to add another thought about Hex 7 third line.
As Michael quotes:
"WU WEI: Leadership is either completely in the wrong hands, or a highly placed subordinate is undermining the leader. In either case, misfortune is incurred, and if the misplaced leadership or undermining is allowed to continue, defeat will ensue."
This is an interpretation based on personal experience, some months ago:
- A friend asked me to give her some help and we decided to pose the I Ching a question. She was facing an unprecedented crisis in her marriage and got this line as the answer. I told her that misfortune was bound to happen, but I could not figure out exactly what would be.
Eventually, she found out that her husband was having an affair and they divorced.
It does make sense to me the idea of "dead bodies in the wagon" and "too many ride in the wagon" as a way of explaining the situation.
Hope this helps,
All the best,
Mirian
Just to add another thought about Hex 7 third line.
As Michael quotes:
"WU WEI: Leadership is either completely in the wrong hands, or a highly placed subordinate is undermining the leader. In either case, misfortune is incurred, and if the misplaced leadership or undermining is allowed to continue, defeat will ensue."
This is an interpretation based on personal experience, some months ago:
- A friend asked me to give her some help and we decided to pose the I Ching a question. She was facing an unprecedented crisis in her marriage and got this line as the answer. I told her that misfortune was bound to happen, but I could not figure out exactly what would be.
Eventually, she found out that her husband was having an affair and they divorced.
It does make sense to me the idea of "dead bodies in the wagon" and "too many ride in the wagon" as a way of explaining the situation.
Hope this helps,
All the best,
Mirian
Oh - this is just an after thought. Remember this question was about how he feels about moving forward with her. Perhaps the "defeat" is of his shallow views? I understand you are also suggesting there is another person involved. Ouch.
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Malka,
i think that this man is carrying useless baggage into this relationship. he is focusing on a superficial matter that ultimately has nothing to do with love and who your friend *is*.
if he loves her, her weight is a non-issue, especially since you've made it clear her weight is not in any way affecting her health.
i think that hx 46 clearly indicates that he *can* get over it if he is willing to make the effort to *get* over it. if he truly loves her, he will make the effort and succeed at overcoming this negative perspective. an inferior man can't see that the problem lies in how *he* is looking at things and much less likely to make an effort to get past it.
time will tell what kind of man he is. perhaps your friend should ask a question along these lines instead. just my thoughts.
i think that this man is carrying useless baggage into this relationship. he is focusing on a superficial matter that ultimately has nothing to do with love and who your friend *is*.
if he loves her, her weight is a non-issue, especially since you've made it clear her weight is not in any way affecting her health.
i think that hx 46 clearly indicates that he *can* get over it if he is willing to make the effort to *get* over it. if he truly loves her, he will make the effort and succeed at overcoming this negative perspective. an inferior man can't see that the problem lies in how *he* is looking at things and much less likely to make an effort to get past it.
time will tell what kind of man he is. perhaps your friend should ask a question along these lines instead. just my thoughts.
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Hex.7: all the things you can or learned, your talents and abilities and assets - organize them, make clear rules and be a good leader. Have the guts to act worthy of yourself. Then you can defend your territory and make a place where you and your people are safe, happy and prospering.
6 at 3: Should the legion cart the corpse. Pitfall. (litt: legion perhaps cart corpse pitfall)
Take extraordinary measures if necessary, but stop with them as soon as they are not longer needed. Only a matter of huge importance can be their ground. Without this ground they are only detrimental.
Changes to hex.46: Ascending is an act of growing. What is done by acquiring is something else, and by acquiring it is not oneâ??s self that ascends. Acquiring cannot create stairs to Heaven, but ascending can. And the number of steps does not matter. Every step is important - especially the first one.
Do not live past or future, but live the moment, developing itself step by step, like a plant, growing around obstacles. Its goal is not somewhere up there, but in itself, an inherent plan. It is one with what it becomes.
9 at 3: Ascend in an empty city.
Fight your way up by battling all enemies and using all your arms. But did you really make sure there are any enemies? An army needs not only fighting power, it needs intelligence too. So first of all evaluate the obstacles, fighting might very often not be the best solution. And fights based on emotions only makes things worse, so be careful about which arms can be used.
When Wu, King Wen's son, had defeated the army of the Shang king Zhou (a different character than in 'Zhou yi'), in the wilds of Mu, he proceeded to the city. He expected the king would defend himself there, but he encountered no resistance at all. King Zhou had killed himself, and his people surrendered.
He had carried the corpse of king Wen into the battle, and by doing so had won. But carrying the corpse into a city, where he did not know if anyone would fight him, is very different. Using king Wen's corpse to make true what king Wen aimed at, was right, but using it for anything else would be very wrong.
Your question was: "How does he feel about moving forward with her?"
Personally I don't think it is possible to ask about someone else's feelings. But who knows . . So I will try to match the line to the question. The same question gave 33 to 37.
Hex.33 gives me the strong impression, that he wants to keep his mind free. He wants to be able to follow the values he sets himself, and not to have to adapt to anyone else. He wants to find his own place (37) in life/society, which he really fits in.
Hex.7: he sees no need to carry along anything in order to ascend, on the contrary. For him it feels as if he can go on and up without any effort as long as he is free. I don't think it has anything to do with her, but applies to anybody or anything he would acquaint with.
And most important: do not 'believe' this reading. It is just my impression, maybe the images give you or your friend very different ideas, and those are LOTS more important than anything I can say, being so far away.
LiSe
6 at 3: Should the legion cart the corpse. Pitfall. (litt: legion perhaps cart corpse pitfall)
Take extraordinary measures if necessary, but stop with them as soon as they are not longer needed. Only a matter of huge importance can be their ground. Without this ground they are only detrimental.
Changes to hex.46: Ascending is an act of growing. What is done by acquiring is something else, and by acquiring it is not oneâ??s self that ascends. Acquiring cannot create stairs to Heaven, but ascending can. And the number of steps does not matter. Every step is important - especially the first one.
Do not live past or future, but live the moment, developing itself step by step, like a plant, growing around obstacles. Its goal is not somewhere up there, but in itself, an inherent plan. It is one with what it becomes.
9 at 3: Ascend in an empty city.
Fight your way up by battling all enemies and using all your arms. But did you really make sure there are any enemies? An army needs not only fighting power, it needs intelligence too. So first of all evaluate the obstacles, fighting might very often not be the best solution. And fights based on emotions only makes things worse, so be careful about which arms can be used.
When Wu, King Wen's son, had defeated the army of the Shang king Zhou (a different character than in 'Zhou yi'), in the wilds of Mu, he proceeded to the city. He expected the king would defend himself there, but he encountered no resistance at all. King Zhou had killed himself, and his people surrendered.
He had carried the corpse of king Wen into the battle, and by doing so had won. But carrying the corpse into a city, where he did not know if anyone would fight him, is very different. Using king Wen's corpse to make true what king Wen aimed at, was right, but using it for anything else would be very wrong.
Your question was: "How does he feel about moving forward with her?"
Personally I don't think it is possible to ask about someone else's feelings. But who knows . . So I will try to match the line to the question. The same question gave 33 to 37.
Hex.33 gives me the strong impression, that he wants to keep his mind free. He wants to be able to follow the values he sets himself, and not to have to adapt to anyone else. He wants to find his own place (37) in life/society, which he really fits in.
Hex.7: he sees no need to carry along anything in order to ascend, on the contrary. For him it feels as if he can go on and up without any effort as long as he is free. I don't think it has anything to do with her, but applies to anybody or anything he would acquaint with.
And most important: do not 'believe' this reading. It is just my impression, maybe the images give you or your friend very different ideas, and those are LOTS more important than anything I can say, being so far away.
LiSe
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Note to carting the corpse and the empty city:
the corpse comes from Marshall "Mandate of Heaven".
The empty city is my idea, because it makes a lot of sense.
So the corpse has been investigated thoroughly, but the empty city not.
LiSe
the corpse comes from Marshall "Mandate of Heaven".
The empty city is my idea, because it makes a lot of sense.
So the corpse has been investigated thoroughly, but the empty city not.
LiSe
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candid
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Malka,
I-Ching aside, this is supposed to be about a couple in a relationship. Isn?t it odd that your friend can?t simply ask her boyfriend her question, outright? A couple must be able to freely communicate, especially on important matters.
Could it be that the corpse in the wagon is talking about dead or unimportant issues? (like: what is he thinking about, etc?) Perhaps her question could be: What can I do to bridge communication with ____? No matter what the truth is its better than pining away over what she doesn?t know. Seems to me she has a right to know exactly where she stands with him. I don?t think she?ll get that answer from Yi.
Candid
I-Ching aside, this is supposed to be about a couple in a relationship. Isn?t it odd that your friend can?t simply ask her boyfriend her question, outright? A couple must be able to freely communicate, especially on important matters.
Could it be that the corpse in the wagon is talking about dead or unimportant issues? (like: what is he thinking about, etc?) Perhaps her question could be: What can I do to bridge communication with ____? No matter what the truth is its better than pining away over what she doesn?t know. Seems to me she has a right to know exactly where she stands with him. I don?t think she?ll get that answer from Yi.
Candid
Candid, I must say there feels to have been a real "attitude" in your sharing on this thread. If you'd read the situation, Amy and her partner are taking a few days a part while he is on a business trip, e.g. they are not speaking for a few days. Of course she can ask him anything she wants, but you know how it goes with Yi when someone is in a difficult place in a relationship. Sometimes you just want a little insight into the dynamics of the situation that you might not be seeing yourself. I think she is also trying to connect to herself about this situation which isn't an easy one.
We tried to avoid the inevitable of having people share their personal relationshp advice by NOT discussing the context of the situation initially. Now I see that original intention was the correct one. I now regret writing too much. You are offering your personal take "I-Ching aside" as you say. With respect, this isn't requested.
We tried to avoid the inevitable of having people share their personal relationshp advice by NOT discussing the context of the situation initially. Now I see that original intention was the correct one. I now regret writing too much. You are offering your personal take "I-Ching aside" as you say. With respect, this isn't requested.
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candid
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Wow. Teach me to mind my own business here.
Won't happen again.
Won't happen again.
Perhaps the NYer in me came out -- I can't always tell. Didn't intend harsh, and so apologize if heard that way. Though I did intend to draw a line between Yi readings and personal advice.
I myself have at times offered my personal take, or intuitive take on a situation. I've mostly offered this because it's the best that I have to give back to all of you, being that I'm still just learning Yi myself and quite a novice. I'm learning from this experience that I need to watch making this sort of offering myself.
That said, Candid, reading your statements like, "Isn?t it odd that your friend can?t simply ask her boyfriend her question, outright?" and "...better than pining away over what she doesn?t know" felt to both of us as judgemental and not very supportive, let alone also not related to interpreting Yi. (Though I do see your reason for suggesting an entirely different question be asked.) It's this variety of statments that brought about the response.
I believe everyone on this forum intends the greatest good for everyone else. Sometimes, we don't express ourselves as skillfully as we are usually capable of expressing.
Namaste,
Malka
I myself have at times offered my personal take, or intuitive take on a situation. I've mostly offered this because it's the best that I have to give back to all of you, being that I'm still just learning Yi myself and quite a novice. I'm learning from this experience that I need to watch making this sort of offering myself.
That said, Candid, reading your statements like, "Isn?t it odd that your friend can?t simply ask her boyfriend her question, outright?" and "...better than pining away over what she doesn?t know" felt to both of us as judgemental and not very supportive, let alone also not related to interpreting Yi. (Though I do see your reason for suggesting an entirely different question be asked.) It's this variety of statments that brought about the response.
I believe everyone on this forum intends the greatest good for everyone else. Sometimes, we don't express ourselves as skillfully as we are usually capable of expressing.
Namaste,
Malka
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Candid,
I thought your responses were very much in line and had a lot of value. Especially non judmental from a woman's point of view.
In fact, being out of the immediate proximatey of the situation, what you said was very right on. It may not have been the wanted resolution, but was so healthy and so proactive....
I can only say that if I had a bro to go to when I have these concerns (from a female point of view) I would hope I had someone as gentle and objective as you to turn to.
Please hang in there. You're awesome.
Deb
I thought your responses were very much in line and had a lot of value. Especially non judmental from a woman's point of view.
In fact, being out of the immediate proximatey of the situation, what you said was very right on. It may not have been the wanted resolution, but was so healthy and so proactive....
I can only say that if I had a bro to go to when I have these concerns (from a female point of view) I would hope I had someone as gentle and objective as you to turn to.
Please hang in there. You're awesome.
Deb
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candid
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Malka,
My apologies. I could have put it in a gentler, more graceful way. From a NJer to a NYer, I meant no harm.
My "I Ching aside" comment was an aside but not to the elimination of how Yi works. Going back to my original comment on 33 in your earlier thread on this: "Its been my personal experience that what 33 suggests to retreat from is not the other person or matter in question, but rather, retreating from my own negative mood or mental framework."
This is purely an observation of how Yi has worked in my own experience with it, applied to my life. A teacher (Yi) doesn't address the mind of one whom I'm asking about nearly as often as it works to adjust my own mind and attitude. I'm the one seeking council and correction, and I'm the only one I can change. I felt perhaps the same principle applied in your friend's case.
The topic of 7:3 has come up here and was discussed at length once before. Its a somewhat morbid picture of carrying something unnecessary, unessential to the resolution of the conflict. I guess the real question is: who is carrying the baggage? I can't answer that, but I'd sure take a look at myself first if I'd gotten it concerning a similar question asked about someone else.
I?m surely not saying that ?he? has no issues to deal with concerning this. Whether he demonstrates a superficial outlook or not concerning her outward appearance, he has a right to his preferences, just as she does. Obviously it didn?t bother him enough to forego her attention in bed.
Finally, Malka, you?re right. I do have a bit of ?tude? about this matter, for I?m presently going through something strikingly similar. I?ve had to make a break with her rather than be in a lop-sided relationship, where I could not return the degree of love she would be happy with. The pressure was always there, always wanting more. She wanted me to be what I simply was not. Funny thing is that my independent and free spirit is what attracts her to me in the first place.
Deb, hanging in there is what I do best.
Thanks.
Candid
My apologies. I could have put it in a gentler, more graceful way. From a NJer to a NYer, I meant no harm.
My "I Ching aside" comment was an aside but not to the elimination of how Yi works. Going back to my original comment on 33 in your earlier thread on this: "Its been my personal experience that what 33 suggests to retreat from is not the other person or matter in question, but rather, retreating from my own negative mood or mental framework."
This is purely an observation of how Yi has worked in my own experience with it, applied to my life. A teacher (Yi) doesn't address the mind of one whom I'm asking about nearly as often as it works to adjust my own mind and attitude. I'm the one seeking council and correction, and I'm the only one I can change. I felt perhaps the same principle applied in your friend's case.
The topic of 7:3 has come up here and was discussed at length once before. Its a somewhat morbid picture of carrying something unnecessary, unessential to the resolution of the conflict. I guess the real question is: who is carrying the baggage? I can't answer that, but I'd sure take a look at myself first if I'd gotten it concerning a similar question asked about someone else.
I?m surely not saying that ?he? has no issues to deal with concerning this. Whether he demonstrates a superficial outlook or not concerning her outward appearance, he has a right to his preferences, just as she does. Obviously it didn?t bother him enough to forego her attention in bed.
Finally, Malka, you?re right. I do have a bit of ?tude? about this matter, for I?m presently going through something strikingly similar. I?ve had to make a break with her rather than be in a lop-sided relationship, where I could not return the degree of love she would be happy with. The pressure was always there, always wanting more. She wanted me to be what I simply was not. Funny thing is that my independent and free spirit is what attracts her to me in the first place.
Deb, hanging in there is what I do best.
Candid
Dear Malka,
By reading all the ideas about Hex 7 third line, I think we have a full spectrum here. I tend to agree that the line might suggest something internal - useless emotions, superficial way of thinking, ineffective mental activity.
Those could be the enemies creeping in, taking over the situation, depicted as the corpse in the wagon. In this case, if one in unable to get rid of negative elements the outcome would be defeat.
However, when it comes to questions related to relationships I cannot help considering the possibility of another person involved. Even with Hex 46 as a background, which might mean just the effort to go through hardship.
On the other hand, the question asked about how HE feels about HER drew the Hex 33, first and fourth moving lines. Personally, I am under the impression that it refers to him retreating either from her or from the relationship itself for some reason that I cannot explain.
Anyway, it seems to me that somehow this relationship is "overloaded" and an immediate change of outlook is required.
Perhaps, your friend could ask the I Ching if the situation is still reversible and what is advisable to do.
Hope this helps,
All the best,
Mirian
By reading all the ideas about Hex 7 third line, I think we have a full spectrum here. I tend to agree that the line might suggest something internal - useless emotions, superficial way of thinking, ineffective mental activity.
Those could be the enemies creeping in, taking over the situation, depicted as the corpse in the wagon. In this case, if one in unable to get rid of negative elements the outcome would be defeat.
However, when it comes to questions related to relationships I cannot help considering the possibility of another person involved. Even with Hex 46 as a background, which might mean just the effort to go through hardship.
On the other hand, the question asked about how HE feels about HER drew the Hex 33, first and fourth moving lines. Personally, I am under the impression that it refers to him retreating either from her or from the relationship itself for some reason that I cannot explain.
Anyway, it seems to me that somehow this relationship is "overloaded" and an immediate change of outlook is required.
Perhaps, your friend could ask the I Ching if the situation is still reversible and what is advisable to do.
Hope this helps,
All the best,
Mirian