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My best guess is if they posed a threat in the meantime, Yi would not have given you a reading that said they are allies, not robbers (adversaries, bandits, etc., depending on the translation), when you asked about their longevity. They will surge brilliantly over the rest of their lives, not cause you trouble, is what I think it's saying.The glitch is reducing trees takes place in the fall
The glitch is reducing trees takes place in the fall, when the sap goes down, to give them the best chance to regrow from the bottom.
Well that's sort of what Yi is, supposedly...I wish I had a crystal ball
...except as you're coherently pointing out here, there are the chronic problems of what angle to see it from and what is it actually saying.4. "24 to 23 - those are in sequence, and usually mean cutting back / off / stripping in order to renew." True, but that can also mean felling the existing trees to plan a new little forest with baby trees of other species that might be less affected by the illness that's killing the ash trees...
Below is the quote from the interview, which Hilary graciously and through great labor transcribed for us as a tribute to Brad after his death.I mean, if we start from an assumption that Yi's actually trying to say something (which is not just me talking, Bradford Hatcher said it in an interview), then we should - somehow - be able to discern the message.
So I see it's more accurate to say not exactly that Yi is trying to say something specific, but that its authors were - and its authors are not who are providing actual readings. The power behind Yi, whatever you believe that to be, is what is speaking, via the texts, structure, etc.[00:07:59.780] - Bradford
I think that at the heart of it, the authors of the Yi were actually trying to say something,
and I think they were saying something specific with each of the lines and each of the texts
I asked Yi: "how will the 3 acacias, esp their canope, evolve in the next 6 months?" (bringing us to october).
The tree people said that changing species would be good. Ash trees are ill all over the country and are being replaced.
That's what the tree people call it. It's like someone with long hair going for a short cut. Trimming is reshaping an existing hair cutSo 24's Shadow is 41, Decrease. Specifically affordable, manageable decrease:
'Decreasing: there is truth and confidence.
From the source, good fortune.
Not a mistake, there can be constancy.
Fruitful to have a direction to go.
How to use this?
Two simple vessels may be used for the offering.'
(The underlined part is what means manageable and affordable. Two simple vessels, not everything you have.)
(Also - notice how you've been calling the tree-trimming process "reduction." That fits 41 very well, I think.)
So far what we have is, "Reduction is the wrong way to think about this."
So... Conservation measures (to not call it reducing!) aiming to help the acacias rejuvenate are unlikely to work?Relating hexagram 23, Stripping. Its shadow is 42, Increase, which in practice often seems to mean blessing via making improvements. (See 42's Image text:
'Wind and thunder: Increasing.
A noble one sees improvement, and so she changes.
When there is excess, she corrects it.')
Piece no. 2: the wrong way to relate to this is to think you can achieve blessing/increase via improvements and corrections.
Whether it be reducing the acacias or cutting them down, it is a sacrifice. I am happiest when trees get to live their life without human interference, but when they are near homes and property, they lose some of their freedom. But it would be a willing sacrifice, because the action would not be gratuitous.So - then I thought about the combinations of your cast hexagrams and their shadows. They happen to each be sets of paired hexagrams - we end up with "shadow pairs" - and I think that's an important part.
41-42 - this pair makes a cycle of Decrease and Increase. You make a willing sacrifice, or willingly reduce things, in order to make room for more. A key notion is willingly.
Am I jumping to a conclusion in understanding this to mean Yi is agreeing with the tree people's approach to take ALL the trees down and replant baby trees? That would seem to be what the Ideal hexagrams point to as well.23-24 - 23 also means having less, similar to 41. But in 23 it's stripped from you, painfully and against your will - see the difference? But that's how this paired cycle works. Recently I ran across something Hilary said, don't have a link, sorry, something like in 23-24 there has to be complete and utter stripping before renewal can take place. It won't feel like an offering, like it might in 41. (41 isn't completely delightful - it's still a sacrifice - but it's not like 23.)
So anyway - you cast 24 to 23. So I think Yi's message here is that where you are is renewal through complete stripping - which is not at all like increase through manageable reduction.
Well... yes, I also would love to be told what to do and why, when I don't know. And (my opinion only) - I personally would like to think Yi can help more-or-less like that - in real ways with real decisions. Because if not, then, kind of, my opinion, where are we with it? Most of the time I cast readings for real reasons.Yes, I'd love to be taken by the hand and told, DO THIS, NOT THAT, because it is certain that X -- pipe dream,huh?
hex.19 is about nearing but not actually touching
The term "reduce" is perfectly fine - I think the advice is that bringing the trees down to half their height is the wrong approach, yes.Is it the term (reduce) that is the wrong way to think about it, or is bringing down the trees to half their height the wrong approach?
I think so, yes. It's unlikely to work.So... Conservation measures (to not call it reducing!) aiming to help the acacias rejuvenate are unlikely to work?
I see your point, but it's not your fault. It seems the environment in your whole area is just not good for them. You can't change that. I suppose if they were far removed from your property, their tops could snap off naturally and they could die a natural death instead of being cut down, but they're fundamentally ill and dying.Whether it be reducing the acacias or cutting them down, it is a sacrifice. I am happiest when trees get to live their life without human interference, but when they are near homes and property, they lose some of their freedom.
I think you're getting at the most tricky part of Karcher's idea. The Shadow is the wrong way to think about the situation, but once you shift your thinking per the Ideal, a positive side of the Shadow can emerge. So you always have to try to find two different sides of the Shadow.But it would be a willing sacrifice, because the action would not be gratuitous.
I think you're jumping to the correct conclusion. Take down the acacias, plant the walnuts (/apples, /whatever they suggest will grow well, a.k.a. be more "at home" in your environment per the Ideal 37).Am I jumping to a conclusion in understanding this to mean Yi is agreeing with the tree people's approach to take ALL the trees down and replant baby trees? That would seem to be what the Ideal hexagrams point to as well.
I don't think you're misunderstanding.Or am I totally misunderstanding all this? (headache coming!!!)
It's the ashes that are sick all over the place, not the acacias. There's no debate about 2 of the ash, the last one I was thinking of leaving for the next few years (it's in a convenient spot).That fits excellently with what the tree people say - changing species would be good, planting something that's more likely to do well in your soil and environment. They seem to be saying that acacias just aren't well suited. It's not just yours on your property, they said it's true all over your area.
But I would not be as confident about the readings if it weren't for the tree people agreeing. It's really, really nice when Yi and real life support each other. There's a lot more trust: you can trust the readings because your other sources agree; you can trust the other sources because Yi agrees.
Uh, who said I could? This is "go talk to your friendly banker" time. My negotiation leverage is they have my homeowners insurance. Easier to grant me a loan than to engage in battle over a damage claimYou're doing well to afford any of it.
Oh I should have known I'd mess something up. Yes, I see that's exactly what you said:It's the ashes that are sick all over the place, not the acacias. There's no debate about 2 of the ash, the last one I was thinking of leaving for the next few years (it's in a convenient spot).
Ash trees are ill all over the country and are being replaced.
I asked Yi: "how will the 3 acacias, esp their canope, evolve in the next 6 months?" (bringing us to october).
24.1.6 to 23 (I hate 23).
True, but that can also mean felling the existing trees to plan a new little forest with baby trees of other species that might be less affected by the illness that's killing the ash trees...Liselle said:"24 to 23 - those are in sequence, and usually mean cutting back / off / stripping in order to renew."
...as you're coherently pointing out here, there are the chronic problems of what angle to see it from and what is it actually saying.
I asked Yi: "how will the 3 acacias, esp their canope, evolve in the next 6 months?" (bringing us to october).
24.1.6 to 23 (I hate 23).
Line 1
'Not far away, returning – no regrets here.
From the source, good fortune.'
Line 6
'Confused return, pitfall. There is calamity and blunder.
Using this to mobilize the armies: in the end there is great defeat.
For your state's leader, disaster.
For ten years, incapable of marching out.'
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