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I have been hanging out on a psychic website and subscribe to two different tarot channels on YouTube and heard tarot readers say that Trump will not be around for the 2020 elections and/or that he will resign soon. I have been seeing Trump continuing to falter from Alzheimer's and have been making angry tweets.

Why are tarot readers saying that Trump will disappear from the Oval Office? 15.3 Integrity to 2 Earth.
Line 2 says, "Toiling with integrity, A noble one completes it. Good fortune." Is it because his past has caught up with him?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that the investigations have exposed Trump and he leaves to save face?

What will happen to Trump in 2020? 14.3.4.6 Great Possession to 19 Nearing.
Line 3 says, "A prince makes a summer offering to the son of heaven. Small people are in no way capable of this." Are his supporters backing off?
Line 4 says, "It is not for you to dominate, No mistake." Will Trump have more to lose?
Line 6 says, "From heaven comes help and protection. Good fortune, Nothing that does not bear fruit." Will evangelicals come out to vote for him?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that Trump still holds on to his ego and his possessions and will be close to reaching his goals with it?
 

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I have been hanging out on a psychic website and subscribe to two different tarot channels on YouTube and heard tarot readers say that Trump will not be around for the 2020 elections and/or that he will resign soon. I have been seeing Trump continuing to falter from Alzheimer's and have been making angry tweets.

Why are tarot readers saying that Trump will disappear from the Oval Office? 15.3 Integrity to 2 Earth.
Line 2 says, "Toiling with integrity, A noble one completes it. Good fortune." Is it because his past has caught up with him?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that the investigations have exposed Trump and he leaves to save face?

What will happen to Trump in 2020? 14.3.4.6 Great Possession to 19 Nearing.
Line 3 says, "A prince makes a summer offering to the son of heaven. Small people are in no way capable of this." Are his supporters backing off?
Line 4 says, "It is not for you to dominate, No mistake." Will Trump have more to lose?
Line 6 says, "From heaven comes help and protection. Good fortune, Nothing that does not bear fruit." Will evangelicals come out to vote for him?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that Trump still holds on to his ego and his possessions and will be close to reaching his goals with it?
I wish that a different hexagram had been the reply for 2020. To me, it does sound as though it’s implying that the evangelicals will protect him and his ego, and that he’ll be re-elected. Are there really enough evangelicals to make this happen, though? I know Trump has lost a LOT of his other support. Could “heaven’s help” be for the Democrats?
 

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Why are tarot readers saying that Trump will disappear from the Oval Office? 15.3 Integrity to 2 Earth.
Line 2 says, "Toiling with integrity, A noble one completes it. Good fortune." Is it because his past has caught up with him?
Are the changing hexagrams telling me that the investigations have exposed Trump and he leaves to save face?
This I Ching response would seem perhaps against Trump if not for the 2020 response of hexagram 14. The toiling and completion by a noble one could point to the Democrats being able to expose him. I suppose in that case 14 would be about the Democrats and not Trump?

Just for clarity I decided to ask, “Is it Trump’s fate to be weakened in 2020 (or strengthened)? Don’t know what to make of this response yet. Maybe not a good idea to further muddy the waters but your 2 I Ching responses got me questioning. I’ve also assumed that you want Trump out; maybe this is not the case, and you’re hoping he does well? :unsure:


55. Denseness
Line 4:
The shutters are thick,
at the middle of the day it appears to be a starry night.
One happens to be the hidden master.
Good fortune.

Having shielded oneself from the outside, one is alone. Thus, in this hidden situation, one is boss. Things go well.
(The shutters are so thick, that it is very dark inside. Only some tiny holes let light in, seeming like stars.)

Line 6:
Abundant is his house,
screening off his household.
He peeps out of his door.
It is very quiet, and without people.
For three years, he is unseen.
Misfortune.

Screening oneself off from others for quite some time, keeping contact to a minimum. Things do not go well.
 
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If Trump were to ever use the Yi, I imagine it would look a lot like what I often see here in this forum: he'd make it about himself and not about what the Yi is actually saying.

So, is it the Yi that wants Trump out - or thinks he'll resign, or that he's got Alzheimer's, or that he is only supported by a very few fanatics - or is it us imposing our own opinions, wants and desires onto the Yi - so it ends up always agreeing with us and saying what we think it should say?

I see this as one of the biggest stumbling blocks to really understanding the Yi's response. We need to get ourselves out of the way enough to really hear the answers, and we often can't seem to do that.

D.
 

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Are the readings referring to Democrats taking Trump down?
What did you think of my interpretations, which could also support that, as well as the new consultation of which the second line could indeed indicate that?
 

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If Trump were to ever use the Yi, I imagine it would look a lot like what I often see here in this forum: he'd make it about himself and not about what the Yi is actually saying.

So, is it the Yi that wants Trump out - or thinks he'll resign, or that he's got Alzheimer's, or that he is only supported by a very few fanatics - or is it us imposing our own opinions, wants and desires onto the Yi - so it ends up always agreeing with us and saying what we think it should say?

I see this as one of the biggest stumbling blocks to really understanding the Yi's response. We need to get ourselves out of the way enough to really hear the answers, and we often can't seem to do that.

D.
Exactly. That’s why I viewed them as also perhaps indicating a strengthening of Trump.
 

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Are the readings referring to Democrats taking Trump down?
Or, 15.3 could be that Trump will struggle with holding onto power, but that in the end he will have 'good fortune'. And 14.6 also seems to be saying that Trump will prevail, that in the end he will have 'Good fortune, (and) Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

So if the Yi is 'right' here, we should all get used to another 4 years with the the Donnie and Putie Show! (And it could be saying that the psychics and tarot readers are blowin' smoke! - maybe trying to have the future fulfill their own desires for what should happen, but not giving us accurate information.)

Or that is certainly one take on this if I wasn't trying to make the Yi agree with my own opinion about Trump.
 

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Fredda, are you saying it's biased?
If by 'it' you mean the Yi, then no, it is not biased. Perhaps you need to try a different pronoun, like:

Am I biased?

... which is the 'meaning' I've been trying to convey all along.
 

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Or, 15.3 could be that Trump will struggle with holding onto power, but that in the end he will have 'good fortune'. And 14.6 also seems to be saying that Trump will prevail, that in the end he will have 'Good fortune, (and) Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

So if the Yi is 'right' here, we should all get used to another 4 years with the the Donnie and Putie Show! (And it could be saying that the psychics and tarot readers are blowin' smoke! - maybe trying to have the future fulfill their own desires for what should happen, but not giving us accurate information.)

Or that is certainly one take on this if I wasn't trying to make the Yi agree with my own opinion about Trump.
The hexagram 14 and lines, considering the question, seems to be favoring Trump. We can never be sure of I Ching predictions. I asked in Nov 2016 if Trump would get in and it indicated yes. However earlier it had indicated yes for Bernie Sanders being the Democratic nominee. In the end, we’re unable to be certain with the I Ching, due to our own biases in part as you stated.
 

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I think we have to look at the exact wording of the question:
Why are tarot readers saying that Trump will disappear from the Oval office?

15.3 - 2.

The tarot readers who are saying Trump will disappear say this because that's what they honestly saw in the cards. The tarot readers were the ones "toiling with integrity" when they made their predictions.

So the answer doesn't tell us why Trump might disappear, only why the readers who predicted his demise said he will. And they said it because that is what they honestly saw in the cards - they were not projecting their own wishes onto the readings..

But this doesn't say whether their predictions are correct.
 
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I think we have to look at the exact wording of the question:
Why are tarot readers saying that Trump will disappear from the Oval office?

15.3 - 2.

The tarot readers who are saying Trump will disappear say this because that's what they honestly saw in the cards. The tarot readers were the ones "toiling with integrity" when they made their predictions.

So the answer doesn't tell us why Trump might disappear, only why the readers who predicted his demise said he will. And they said it because that is what they honestly saw in the cards - they were not projecting their own wishes onto the readings..

But this doesn't say whether their predictions are correct.
I guess if you believe in the Tarot then you would believe the prediction. If the querents were toiling in integrity and not projecting, it ought to have given them an honest answer?
 

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I think we have to look at the exact wording of the question:
Why are tarot readers saying that Trump will disappear from the Oval office?

So the answer doesn't tell us why Trump might disappear, only why the readers who predicted his demise said he will .... But this doesn't say whether their predictions are correct.
Thanks Rosada for bringing us back to basics, e.g. what was really the question? And whom is actually 'toiling with integrity?' Could it be that the psychics and tarot readers are struggling with their own political feelings and desires versus what the predictions are actually saying - and who knows, maybe like Yi practitioners, they let their own views color the truth? That would certainly be a struggle I think.
 

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Another perspective...
I can also see 15.3 - 2. as saying Trump toils with integrity, completes his term and that's the end of it.

As to what will happen to Trump in 2020..
14.3 He makes a summer offering as in dropping out of the race and endorsing someone else as the candidate, some new Son of Heaven, i.e party favorite. A smaller person could not make such a meaningful endorsement.
14.4 It's not for him to dominate, as in he knows he couldn't win.
14.6 From heaven comes help and protection - Perhaps a clue that he will be able to bow out gracefully? No impeachment, no court battles?
 

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Moss, why do the readings have multiple interpretations?
Two possible answers:

One: Trump's operatives - some posing as his opponents - have infiltrated this forum and are spreading disinformation. Or ...

Two: Hilary is offering her Yi Foundations course starting tomorrow. You might consider taking it. It might help you figure out the answer yourself, which is always better than relying on someone else, don't you think? - See:
 
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I did not say Trump “toils with integrity.”
I said that I could see 15.3 as meaning the I CHING IS SAYING Trump “toils with integrity.”
Furthermore, consider what the word “integrity” means. It means to be true to one’s own moral principles. It does not necessarily mean being an upstanding citizen in the eyes of the rest of the world, even though that is what people usually assume.

In Trump’s case “toiling with integrity” could simply mean he’s gonna do what he always does, which is to do whatever works best for Trump.

Or perhaps it refers to some sort of higher spiritual commitment, like a soul agreeing to play a role. Earth needed someone to “drain the swamp”. We could have done it the easy way by electing Bernie but instead we did it the hard way by giving the power to Trump. So instead of quietly draining the swamp by getting rid of corruption and enacting policies that uplift humanity, we are now first having to see just how bad things have actually gotten, in which case Trump really is doing the job God called him to do, Trump is the first step in draining the swamp, which is to bring the true state of affairs out in to the open. We just didn’t expect him to do it by bringing all the scumbags to Washington and putting them in office. But whatever.. now that he has done that, now that we all see what a mess we’re in, maybe 15.3 - 2 means he’s done his bit and now he can exit the stage.
 
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Another perspective...
I can also see 15.3 - 2. as saying Trump toils with integrity, completes his term and that's the end of it.

As to what will happen to Trump in 2020..
14.3 He makes a summer offering as in dropping out of the race and endorsing someone else as the candidate, some new Son of Heaven, i.e party favorite. A smaller person could not make such a meaningful endorsement.
14.4 It's not for him to dominate, as in he knows he couldn't win.
14.6 From heaven comes help and protection - Perhaps a clue that he will be able to bow out gracefully? No impeachment, no court battles?
A very interesting interpretation, and quite feasible.
 

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Moss, why do the readings have multiple interpretations?
You just asked that!
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multiple reasons:
1-Because multiple minds looked at them and tried to explain them. All grasping in the dark. (which is part of the process, before knowing realization.)
2-They are not personal readings, asking about our lives. (which we would have an intuitive sense of, and they would make sense to us.)
3-Not being in your shoes, we cannot say for certain that they weren't personally directed at you, like "why don't you go wash the dishes instead of asking this?" (15.3)

May I ask for what purpose do you keep asking these kind of questions?
What are you trying to accomplish?


I like Rosada's interpretation the most here.
 
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Earth needed someone to “drain the swamp”. We could have done it the easy way by electing Bernie but instead we did it the hard way by giving the power to Trump. So instead of quietly draining the swamp by getting rid of corruption and enacting policies that uplift humanity, we are now first having to see just how bad things have actually gotten, in which case Trump really is doing the job God called him to do, Trump is the first step in draining the swamp, which is to bring the true state of affairs out in to the open. We just didn’t expect him to do it by bringing all the scumbags to Washington and putting them in office
Great interpretation, really actually quite profound——and I’ve had to make similar ones regarding crazy states of affairs within my own personal life. (BTW, I was very upset to not get Bernie Sanders as President; your above interpretation is healing.)
 
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rosada.
Furthermore, consider what the word “integrity” means. It means to be true to one’s own moral principles. It does not necessarily mean being an upstanding citizen in the eyes of the rest of the world, even though that is what people usually assume.
No, it doesn't mean to be true to an individual's convictions, sticking to their guns.
People often make that mistake.
The 61 of a person can be rotten.
(Example: a madman can be true to his madness until he cynides himself in his bunker.)
Integrity is synonymous with Wholeness and Sanity, from which good/right/moral behaviour naturally and spontaneously arises. I offer for consideration that 70% of people can see that he is not sane or moral.


From etymology online:
integrity (n.)
c. 1400, "innocence, blamelessness; chastity, purity," from Old French integrité or directly from Latin integritatem (nominative integritas) "soundness, wholeness, completeness," figuratively "purity, correctness, blamelessness," from integer "whole" (see integer). Sense of "wholeness, perfect condition"

None of those descriptions apply to him.
Because of his supreme arrogance,
I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves in the same manner that Zhou of Shang and Epstein did.
 
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Looking back again at the original question: 'Why are tarot readers saying ....? 15.3 Integrity to 2 Earth.'

... It seems to me that the response could be about the tarot readers' struggles with their own authenticity and integrity. I'd suspect that they could be struggling with their own personal views versus what their visions/casts/cards/charts are telling them. E.g. if you are personally against someone but the cards / planets / hexagrams / spirits are saying good things about them, what do you do?

This reminds me of something I read recently about psychics - that the readings for conservative psychics tend to favor Trump (or other conservative viewpoints); while the lefty, new-Agey psychics are always finding fault with him (and predicting his demise!). That speaks volumns to me about Authenticy & Integrity: are they (we) puting aside the truth - or bending it, or otherwise morphing it - just to get the results and answers we want?

Or taking it step further - are we starting with our questions, knowing full well what we want the answers to be, and of course that's how we interpret them? It seems I've seen a lot of that of late.

Best, D.
 
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Looking back again at the original question: 'Why are tarot readers saying ....? 15.3 Integrity to 2 Earth.'

... It seems to me that the response could be about the tarot readers' struggle with their own authenticity and integrity. I'd suspect that they could be struggling with their own personal views versus what their visions/casts/cards/charts are telling them. E.g. if you are personally against someone but the cards / planets / hexagrams / spirits are saying good things about them, what do you do?

This reminds me of something I read recently about psychics - that the readings for conservative psychics tend to favor Trump (or other conservative viewpoints); while the lefty, new-Agey psychics are always finding fault with him (and predicting his demise!). That speaks volumns to me about Authenticy & Integrity: are they (we) puting aside the truth - or bending it, or otherwise morphing it - just to get the results and answers we want?

Or taking it step further - are we starting with our questions, knowing full well what we want the answers to be, and of course that's how we interpret them? It seems I've seen a lot of that of late.

Best, D.
Yes, it’s human nature to project our own biases and agendas onto Tarot or I Ching oracles. That said, isn’t there some objective truth beyond all this subjective stuff, regarding Trump 2020, whether it’s “heaven’s decree” that he gets re-elected or not, whether we are pro or anti Trump? So if I ask right now, Is it fated that Trump will win re-election in 2020? and receive a hexagram with certain changing lines, it will be giving real illumination independent of my wishes and needs?
 

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foxx777 said:
So if I ask right now, Is it fated that Trump will win re-election in 2020? and receive a hexagram with certain changing lines, it will be giving real illumination independent of my wishes and needs?
I am not sure what you are asking. That is it possible to get an objective answer? I suppose so, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying that if you are entirely predisposed that someone is bad / evil / wrong, etc. (or even the opposite, that they are good / kind / loving), that your interpretation will not be objective regardless of - or in spite of - what the reading says.

So ... you turn 15.3 - a noble one's struggle, but then good fortune, into Trump's past 'has caught up with him.'

Or .... 19.3 'a prince makes a summer offering to the son of heaven', into are Trump's 'supporters backing off?'

.. and so forth. You're not at all paying attention to - or in any way even concerned with - what the response is saying. And so, if you don't really care what the answer is - and you're going to draw your own conclusions regardless of what it says, who gives a rat's pattotie if it's truthful or objective?

But I fear 'blue face' syndrome has set in ....
 
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I am not sure what you are asking. That is it possible to get an objective answer? I suppose so, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying that if you are entirely predisposed that someone is bad / evil / wrong, etc. (or even the opposite, that they are good / kind / loving), that your interpretation will not be objective regardless of - or in spite of - what the reading says.

So ... you turn 15.3 - a noble one's struggle, but then good fortune, into Trump's past 'has caught up with him.'

Or .... 19.3 'a prince makes a summer offering to the son of heaven', into are Trump's 'supporters backing off?'

.. and so forth. You're not at all paying attention to - or in any way even concerned with - what the response is saying. And so, if you don't really care what the answer is - and you're going to draw your own conclusions regardless of what it says, who gives a rat's pattotie if it's truthful or objective?

But I fear 'blue face' syndrome has set in ....
Ok, so we should be open to the possibility that the I Ching is favoring Trump. I understand that fully.


So ... you turn 15.3 - a noble one's struggle, but then good fortune, into Trump's past 'has caught up with him.'

Or .... 19.3 'a prince makes a summer offering to the son of heaven', into are Trump's 'supporters backing off?'
So Trump may struggle and do well. He may be the prince making the offering. I really do understand this.
 

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Ok, so we should be open to the possibility that the I Ching is favoring Trump. I understand that fully.
Well, sort of. It's more that the Yi's response is telling us something about the situation, but I don't usuallly think of it in terms of 'favoring' or 'not favoring.'

A while ago I asked, 'is Trump a racist?' or something like that, which is a pretty common accusation against him. The answer - as I interpreted it at least - said to me that he wasn't necessarily a racist, but that he could use the 'issue' of race to his advantage - as he does with many issues. In doing that reading I had to work at not letting my dislike for him cloud what the answer was saying. I feel I was fairly susuccessful at doing so - or at least I tried - and was aware of the need - to have an objective outlook.

So, at least a starting point can be to try to be objective, or to at least recognize why that is important. That's what I feel is missing here, and in a lot of readings,

Otherwise, we end up turning 14.6s 'Assistance comes from heaven. Promising' ... into evangelicals bailing out Trump - which if true - that evangelicals are 'heaven sent' - means we're either in a heap of trouble, or all is right with our country due to this divine intervention!
 

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Well, sort of. It's more that the Yi's response is telling us something about the situation, but I don't usuallly think of it in terms of 'favoring' or 'not favoring.'

A while ago I asked, 'is Trump a racist?' or something like that, which is a pretty common accusation against him. The answer - as I interpreted it at least - said to me that he wasn't necessarily a racist, but that he could use the 'issue' of race to his advantage - as he does with many issues. In doing that reading I had to work at not letting my dislike for him cloud what the answer was saying. I feel I was fairly susuccessful at doing so - or at least I tried - and was aware of the need - to have an objective outlook.

So, at least a starting point can be to try to be objective, or to at least recognize why that is important. That's what I feel is missing here, and in a lot of readings,

Otherwise, we end up turning 14.6s 'Assistance comes from heaven. Promising' ... into evangelicals bailing out Trump - which if true - that evangelicals are 'heaven sent' - means we're either in a heap of trouble, or all is right with our country due to this divine intervention!
Well said. And I think you interpreted correctly: Trump is not a racist but will pander to those who are, which in itself is not admirable.
 

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