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Hi everybody,

I've been using the Yi for a while now, but I still have some doubts..

Asking about the future of a potential relationship I've been fighting for 7 months..

The girl I profoundly love has been in a long time relationship with another person (many years) but 7 months ago she fought with her boyfriend and at that time I learnt that she loved me too.. but in the end, she decided to stay with the other person.... :(

Since there, I've been fighting to be thrown at least in the friend's area, and thanks to the Yi, I managed to recover the friendship with her.. but now, we fought again.. its really a challenge to be a friend of someone you love that every night sleeps with another man...

I tried to forget her but every time I tried, soon I was seeing signals everywhere about her.. like her name and mine in a new shop opening in the town.. incredible "coincidences" you know.. very vivid dreams about her.. etc

Anyway today we spoke a lot over the issue and both of us want to be friends again, and eventually who knows if we could have a relationship in the future..

I asked the Yi about that and told me Hex. 2.2.6 to 4

I understand line 2 as a very good omen but.. line 6 is just a warning about not fighting again or is what will happen for sure? I think its just a warning.. how funny btw, because we are both Dragons in the chinese horoscope:bows:

and the resulting Hex 4 tells me about not thinking so much about this? be like an ignorant, wait for her to make the next move (Hex 2)??

added later:

or maybe Hex 4 is the background of the situation, in other words, my behaviour..that made fight with her when I was supposed to be firm like a rock whatever she throwed at me?

Thanks for your help

David
 
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I ask again to the Yi, i will have the chance to be with this person?

The Yi replied Hex. 31 unchanging

Influence. Success.
Perseverance furthers.
To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune.

I'll take these words to heart.. happily

I promise to keep you informed on the outcome on this...
 

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I also asked the Yi if I'm on the right track when thinking about having a relationship with this girl...

The Yi replied:

hex 15.1.2.4 to 34

I understand that if I'm humble (15) with her and yielding no matter what, there's a great potential (34)

Please, I would appreciate any comments about this conversation with the Yi.

I think I'm understanding the messages.. Am I wrong?

Thanks in advance

David
 

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I think the first reading is important, 2>4. The rest seem to back that one up. That is, you need to be patient and receptive and don't expect too much right away (4: youthful folly/inexperience). Focus on being friends, not taking maidens as wives ;)
 

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Thanks line rider,

It's good to know I'm understanding the oracle... at least the most important messages that throws at me.

Actually we have calmed down and stop fighting.. and the best of all we are still friends :)

I'll keep on waiting for the future.. very patiently.

David
 

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Hi
I know about this, u must understand she is married
she is bound by her obligations
Her heart is with you,,do u have the guts to go find her

When dragons fight ,,i must say is mystical

Steve
 

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Thanks Steve...

You're right, she's bound by her "obligations", because, although she's not married with him, somewhat is the same situation..

Anyway, I've been fighting for a long time for her and I'm not going to give up now ;)

Btw, my birthday is just a few days ago, and she told me she will come... and in a subtle manner, almost reading between lines, I learnt that she will feel more comfortable if I tell more people to come and join us.. even if we are left alone later, but this way she feels.. like doing nothing wrong.. you know what I mean...

So I asked the Yi..( I'm aware is not good to ask so many things :duh: ) if its a good idea to call some friends for joining us and tell her in advance, so she knows that before the date thus maybe she won't change her mind in the last minute, as already happened when we tried to have a date recently (that was the source of our fighting)

So the Yi replied Hex. 2.5 to 8

Sounds really good, although I don't know if the Yi is really answering directly my question.. thus telling me that is good because is what she wants.. so I'm being receptive about her needs and worries.. or maybe the Yi is telling me not to do nor say anything about that ???


David
 

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if we could have a relationship in the future..

I asked the Yi about that and told me Hex. 2.2.6 to 4

The lines are telling you to do nothing in this affair because you are trying/getting into a struggle for another person's girlfriend and if you chose to keep going then you will most certainly suffer. Hex 4 says that you are still ignorant of all the fact of the situation and have much to learn.

So, it rules out a relationship.
 

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Hi willowfox,

Your interpretation has sense, but...
The suffering is already happening, because this girl just told me that she don't know what to do.. she has been suffering almost all the time in her current relationship, so 4 years of suffering... Her problem is that .. quoting her words:

"I want to be with you.. but I don't know how to leave this person I'm living with.."

His boyfriend humiliates her all the time.. and she thinks she's the one responsible for that.. not true of course... So I'm trying to be on her side until she's able to leave the one who us destroying her.. and eventually myself :(

But I will fight until the end, I cannot allow this situations to happen.. I would risk even my life if that would be the solution.. yes I said my life and it would not be the first time I risk it in behalf of other people.

This is the reality...

Btw I understood why I had relating Hex 4.. its true there were some details I was not aware..

Yesterday I learnt that her boyfriend spy her sometimes.. and that was the reason why she, in the last moment, sometimes didn't appear even if we had a "date".. If I knew before I wouldn't fight with her :(
but I did...

The question is. how somebody can live like that?

Thanks
 
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About the Yi omens...

Willowfox is right in her interpretation, but it works only for the present moment...

I think is very important to know that the Yi doesn't predict the future, but in the other hand, you can know your possibilities, so you can know if the future you imagine is possible at all.. or just a delusion.. get a glimpse of what's going on right know, the future potential, etc..

And moreover.. I learnt that is also possible that two people.. in the same situation and with the same possibilities of success, have different and opposites readings... The person with the harsh warning would be the one whose actions, or planning is wrong, so the Yi warns him.. the other one, with a positive reading, would be the person with the right frame of mind for having a successful outcome, so the Yi doesn't need to warn him, instead, it tells the querent that he's on the right path (Dao)

So this is also the reason why some people , getting the same readings.. have different outcomes.. because they behaved differently after listening to the Yi.

Now something about the lines...

A long long time ago, when I made my first readings with the Yi... a crisis time.. I was not in speaking terms with someone because of a misunderstanding.. when I ask about the possibilities, (searching in my records ;) ) I just found that at that time I got 2.6 to 23 , in the real world, what happened is that we never spoke again...

but this time I got 2.2.6 to 4, so it seems that yes, line 6 acts as a warning only, a harsh one.. but a warning.. That's the reason why the follow up questions were pretty optimistic.

I think that when you get contradictory lines, based on my records and humble experience with the Yi, positive lines usually say that things can be fixed, so the bad line is a warning, thus you are aware that you can spoil everything. Its not the same that just getting a harsh line...

So I think that 2.2.6 to 4 also means:

It's clear that the more I try to rescue this person.. the more opposition I have :( so I need to be yielding and receptive.. step by step.. forgetting about getting a relationship right away, but the Yi also told me to keep my target in sight, without putting more pressure on this girl about taking a choice right know...

I understood this thank to the Yi, I was not really aware of that..

Indeed..

I asked the Yi: whats really going on with this situation? I'm only being hurt right know.. what about the future outcome?

Hex. 38.3 to 14

Everything seems to be against me, but if I'm extremely cautious.. I still have the chance for a positive outcome. So better for me not to lose this great possesion (14) I still have.

I know about this line because in the past, I got it when I was in a very difficult situation, and just were things were going awry,I finally I succeed, but only because I let myself to be hurt over and over again because of a false accusation.. instead of trying to fight.. I let thinks take their course... but in the end the truth arouse and all the people involved apologized when they realized it.

I think the Yi is an extremely useful oracle, designed to help us, and moreover, here in this forum there's a lot of wise and helpful people (including you willowfox ;) ) helping others to understand it, but we must be wary about getting conclusions too soon.. no matter they are good or bad omens.

I just wanted to share these experiences :)

Thanks for reading!
 

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Hi David,

Here's what I got from your original message:
1. Someone has such low self-esteem that she chooses to stay in an abusive relationship.
2. That's the perfect person for you! Nobody else could be as good for you!
3. Therefore, how do you make her change, since nobody else could be as good for you? In particular, how to set up a manipulative situation where she can justify that she can't be held responsible for her actions?

The part I don't understand is step 2.

Am I missing something profound?
 

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Hi Ben,

I understand that is hard to understand part 2, but yes, there's something very profound there...

Let me explain a little bit better:

I think is the right person for me.. and .. well, I think I'm the right person for her, because in the past, a few years ago,I met her when she just started her relationship with this "man", and at that time she was just.. herself! she was a normal person, with her self-steem in good shape and we liked each other, from the first second we met!!

But we had a little problem.. she was with another person (at that time I though her boyfriend was a normal human being) and I was having a relationship with another person too :(

In the beginning I was not in love, she was not in love, but plain and simple, we just loved each other and had beautiful moments,even without the chemicals of love we had beautiful conversations all the time we had the chance to meet..an indescriptible beautiful connection.. I've never found that connection, even in the past relationships I had even being "in love" Anyway I was in another relationship.. same as her!

But you know what, we needed a few years for realizing our mutual love.. more than just a beautiful friendship, the problem was that at that time, precisely at that time! I just took a plane to fly to another continent, and indeed I met another person.. and I didn't knew if I would live there for a long time, or maybe for ever.. so I told her... but in the end it was just a problematic short relationship with plenty of problems.. , but i wanted to be sincere to her, and to be honest, it was a big error because as soon as she knew I started a new relationship.. she could not resist the temptation anymore so she went back to live with her former "boyfriend" before I came back to my country..I felt I needed to tell her because this person was so special... I simply could not hide that to her... but of course if I knew I was coming back for sure to my country overseas, and that my short relationship would be nothing important... then we would be together know..

So when I came back to my country, and when I meet her again after a few months.. wow I realized I was in love... with the person I (at least though) I should be in love...

Although she returned back to her relationship, she fought with her boyfriend (as usual) so we had a beautiful date, and this time was a real date..!! there was true magic in the air!! But his boyfriend misteriously appeared where we were.. and the tragedy begun.. after that, she stopped talking to me.. she was too afraid to meet me, and after seven months.. here I am.. trying to rescue and recover her.. trying to make her whole again, a normal person, with power of decision, with self-steem.. but right now she's like living in a cult.. for this corrupted man

This is the story so far..

David
 

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That's quite a story, David.

Whichever way it turns out, I can't wait to see the movie. :cool:

I agree that abusive relationships and cult addiction have the same psychology. Unfortunately, twelve step programs say that you can't hit rock bottom on someone else's behalf. She has to make her own discovery that "this just ain't working any more... and never did in the first place."

From a couple of painful circumstances in my own life, I can sympathize with your desire to save her. I can also say that from all I've seen, chances are slim if she just plain isn't ready to overcome her fear of the unknown - even when what she knows hurts her.

However as this is an oracle forum, a couple more follow up questions for the oracle might be -
Can she be rescued from her destructive addiction to the abusive relationship?
If so, can YOU be the one who rescues her NOW?
 

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I think she may seek you again "possibly"
But she is in a realationship that appears bad to you
I just mean maybe she is like fighting
Its funny this reading as I did it for a traditional chinese girl from xiang
she threw the coins over the phone she was living in thailand with her husband who was english
since the reading i havent heard from her
She always had feelings for me , and i could have stloen her if i was that type of guy
but the coins suggested she relax , i guess and take a deep breath with her husband

I have a feeling they have patched up their difference for the time being

Steve
, just my personal experience with this line mind you it was fairly recent also
 

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Oh, but it does predict the future, or shall I say potential future.

Some specific lines and/or hexagrams when asking to the Yi about a situation may point to the potential of whatever you ask about... But not every good omen is bound to happen.. nor every bad omen is bound to happen.. That's the way I see it and experienced the oracle.

Ben,

You really hit the target with your comments.. yes she needs to overcome her fear of the unknown... btw this is like a movie yes... And I promise that every one of you will know about the end of this story, thus it will help everybody to learn a little bit more about this wonderful oracle I think I'm beginning to understand... whatever the outcome.

You said something very important, nobody can change her mind, just herself.. But I can help as a friend at her side... So I will need to fly low.

Btw, yesterday, before reading your last replies, I asked the Yi:

I think I understood your last messages and also that now I'm on track, pleas tell me something about it:

Hex 30.2 to 14

The clinging.. I found the essential connection to the source, that glimpse of the bigger truth, forgetting the ego, I learnt that moderation is the way to go.

And today, following your suggestion ;) I asked the Yi..

Will I be able to "bring her home" thus have a relationship with her in the future?

Hex 49.4.5 to 36

Revolution... On your own day you are believed.

Line 4: Regrets disappear. Having truth amending destiny. Auspicious. (by LiSe)

Line 5: The great one changes like a tiger. Even before the augury truth is evident.(by LiSe)

Relating hexagram, does not always represent the future.. here is 36 darkening of the light.. So I need, again, to keep a low profile while the silent revolution inside her heart takes place.

Steve,

Thanks for your comments.. and good luck man, maybe they have patched up their differences.. but as you said.. maybe just patched up! ;) An you know ...patches are not the solution, so maybe you hear from her in the future, maybe.
 

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Btw, my first question about this situation was a few months ago, I asked Jesed how long should I endure and if there were possibilities of success..

I got Hex 32.1.2.3.4.5.6 to 42

So, long time endurance, but successful...He pointed October this year a long time endurance oh my god... But this is what I'm doing.. enduring.

I asked again the Yi because I didn't know if destiny can be spoiled by ego..

He pointed to October but I think that maybe is when the "time window" closes.. so who knows, maybe this story finishes before.. or maybe not.. who really knows?
 
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One more thing... a funny one!

This story has ben happening while I'm 31 years old.. (31- wooing) and next week I'm getting just a little bit older.. (32- Endurance / Lasting union)

Wow.. just a coincidence? ;)
 

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I didn't know if destiny can be spoiled by ego.

Oh, I think it can. What sucks is that even if your ego doesn't spoil your destiny, sometimes someone else's ego can spoil your destiny! The Yi doesn't shy away from this fact.

I'm glad my comments helped. I think the Yi says you found a constructive path for you: be supportive. But also be aware it's her struggle more than yours.

Interesting that Steve just went through a similar situation. I wonder if the movie version will make your paths cross. We can be sure Hollywood will add the happy ending, maybe we'll have to wait for your book to find out what really happened. :stir:
 

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