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Hello everyone. If you don?t mind I would like to step forward to ask for your learned and objective opinions on a looming legal problem for someone close to me. I will call this person the defender and the other side the accusers. I asked the IC what the accusers position in the situation is and received hex #1. I asked the same question about the defenders position and received hex #34. There were no moving lines in either one. What do you think it means?
 

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Greetings, Hermit.

Since no one has replied to your question, I?ll take a stab at it. I don?t know what it means, but what I think it might mean is that the accusers have truth, single-minded determination, and perhaps time on their side. The defenders, however, have great power on their side. I don?t know what kind of power that might be, but hex 34 advises that it should not be used prematurely, improperly or too forcefully.

?Looming? infers that the situation is still a potentiality. Therefore, I think the defenders are advised to hold their power in check for now, and deal appropriately with what happens if and when it comes. My guess is, that the best the defenders can hope for, with hex 1 on the other side, is that the accusers might become arrogant dragons and go too far, in which case they would fail.

Best you stay clear of the situation if you can, IMO.

Namaste.
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Thanks joang. That is what I was thinking also.

I wonder if you could explain a bit what you think would be "appropriate" use of power?
 

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Well, Hermit, I think that depends on the context. In this case, it is a legal context. Therefore, I think legal powers would be appropriate. I don't know what the great power on the side of the defenders is, but it might be a good lawyer who has experience and success in similar cases, or it might be a legal justification, or mitigating circumstances, or defense witnesses, or it might be all of the above. It might even be none of the above.

I assume you were not just asking me, but intended the question for anyone on the forum. There are many here who have a different approach to interpreting the IC, and some have ingenious methods of relating and interconnecting hexagrams. Maybe they could shed more light on the situation.

Namaste,
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Yes of course. I meant anyone who cares to reply. Even Chris Lofting. Not kidding.

Thanks.
 

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you rang?

Lets look at this from the dynamics of five-phase - both hexagrams share the base trigram of heaven and reflect the notion of competitive exchange (METAL). 01 is 'pure' competitive exchange, singlemindedness. 34 is more invigoration, reflecting something 'enlightening' present - a surprise of some sort, something 'new' within the context of competitive exchange. (thunder is five-phase WOOD, represents production but of the NEW, not re-production)

hex 34 is the active form of 20 - admiration by being a passive example but also the negative side of being made an example of! ;-)

34 reflects an emotional 'lift' of some form that serves to invigorate - the warning being that copying the actions of the source of invigoration, treating them as 'meaningful' can be an issue. For example the 'high' has a cold and wipes their nose on their sleeve. Being observed from a distance, and so not aware of the cold, may start a new 'trend' of people doing the same action for no reason other than the 'high' was seen doing it!

The two sidedness in 34 is from (a) the 'low' being actively 'pushed' by the high - invigorating, encouraged, etc and (b) the 'high' being warned that their mindless actions can set-off all sorts of activities in the 'low'! Thus the high need to be wary of starting 'new' trends that have no meaning other than being copycat behaviour! (but given thought copycat can be useful)

01 deals with power. Read Nietsche ;-) - one reich, one fuhrer, one fatherland. heavy metal. burning light. intense. precise. 'to the point'. no prisoners. get a buzz off the conflict in that the action sharpens one's skills for future battles. As such there is no caring about WHAT the legal issue is, there is just the opportunity for competition and so sharpening one's skills. In 'no kill' games we go to the pub with the 'enemy' afterwards! - develop 'respect' from others and for others.

The usual hexagram of 'legal' issues is 6 but it focuses on meeting the opposition half-way, compromise. There is no compromise in 01 - ya win or ya lose! ;-) all very 'warrior' stuff.

(in 06 we have singlemindedness in a context of containment (water) and so issues of borders, going upto the border and holding firm, compromise is in not going beyond the 50/50 state nore going LESS than that state.)

The issue here of course is that these are not necessarily the 'best fits' if you used 'random' methods in deriving the hexagrams.

See what you get from the questions process - http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/lofting/proact3.html

One for the defence, one for the attack. let us know what you get and we can move on from there.

Chris.
 

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Hi everyone

I think of the heaven trigram as creative power, and the chen trigram as explosive power. I don't think that answers anybody's question above. But the trigram chen has two open lines at the top that let the yang energy fly right through. However, that can be dangerous for yang, and yang can get caught in a trap. Can, not definitely will. The two yin lines in the trigram chen make the trigram look a little bit like horns. Therefore, the horned animal, whatever it may be, may be in danger of using its power indiscriminately, and getting entangled. This often happens to two male animals fighting over a female. There horns are entangled, and neither one can escape. There is no conscious thought among the animals as to the results of their behavior. They act as their species must without consideration, and are entangled thusly. Hexagram 1 is pure yang, but it needs a field, hexagram 2, to operate in. 34 has the field in which to operate. (Hexagram 1 relates to time, hexagram 2 relates to space. Activities cannot be accomplished except in a context of time, and they need a space, a field, to operate in.

A key line in 34, I believe line 5, though I believe it is line 4 in this hexagram that is the ruler, says, loses the goat with ease. It may indicate that a loss is no great loss.

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Thanks Chris. What you said about 01 sounds like a perfect fit. Also your comment about being made an example of is very meaningfull and something to think about.

I will go to your link and do the questions there and will get back shortly with the results.
 

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Thanks to you also Gene. 34 always reminds me of a horned beast too... don't know if I want to go there now though (grin). I have seen male animals like deer and elk get their horns entangled fighting over the right to mate. Sometimes they die locked together like that when they can't get untangled. They slowly starve because they can't forage. Not a pleasant thought. Haven't yet seen that happen to goats though.
 

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Chris...the results.
I was a little confused by the questions because of the wording. It says "My involvement in the situation is proactive (or reactive)" but I am asking about "their" involvment not mine. So I went ahead and chose as if it had said "their". Is that ok? I also chose "Was facts based but now not sure."

Anyway, my first question was "What is the accusers position?" Answer: 13 > 62

Second question "What is the defenders position?" Answer: 55 > 62

I printed out the text and will read it now while awaiting your reply. Later....
 

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Hi hermit,

The ICPlus questions are not 'fixed' as such - it is the overall format that is important, the movement from general to particular - so as long as the questions 'fit' that ordering meaning is derivable. What you did seems to be ok - At some time or another I will set up a database of questions relevent to contexts and so selectable by the user from a list-box.

As to the results, based on your answers - :

So... accuser 13 to 62. Note the 'pr*ck' element is still present in the singlemindedness of heaven atop fire. ;-)

Note also that the defender is still attached to thunder and so awareness (top trigram of 55).

BOTH are now grounded in fire - and so in ideologies - this 'fight' seems to have ideological roots (in five phase fire deals with distribution but as wholesale - exchange is retail ;-))

Now, both are 'changing' to 62.

62 reflects the use of exaggeration to keep things together, the use of traditions, of over-acting, to keep something going that is past the 'use-by' or 'best-before' dates. Thats interesting in that one suggestion here is both parties are getting upset about something that is already 'dead' ideologically! ;-) That area could be worked on to neutralise things - change the context ;-) Note also that 62 pairs with 56 - the overall focus of the pair is on loyalties (gets back to issues of ideologies etc).

Interpretations:

13 to 62 : as a warning, the archetype 13 is association with the 'likeminded' (from guidance comes singlemindedness). 62 can reflect a distortion from this path where the development of likemindedness etc is being over-done, exaggerated, where for some, in all honesty, the 'likemindedness' is not as 'like' as it would seem (or considered to be) and so is in need of over-emphasis. That over-emphasis can be destructive (BUT it is also a sign of possible weakness in the accusers - something to work on, drive a wedge into and do destabilise! divide and conquer ;-))

13 to 62: As a true change, likemindedness is advancing into a state of shared celebration that acts to unite. Traditions develop out of the shared perspectives etc etc.

defender 55 to 62:

Interpretations:

As a warning, the path of 55 is on fecundity, diversity, abundance, but also too much, just as there are lots of people prospering in the richness so that includes 'villains' ;-) 62 distorts this, where the abundance, the diversity, is over-exaggerated, over-valued, considered something 'eternal' rather than seasonal. As the exaggeration is made so the abundance starts to rot, it is already heading past its 'best-before' or 'use-by' date.

As a true change of 55 to 62, the over-abundance is celebrated and is transformed into an agent of integration, it serves to bring together what was threatening to fall apart.

Hope this gives you some ideas and relate better to the general issues! There are some possible 'neutraliser' here (as in divide and conquer in dealing with the accusers, there seems to be weakness there, and in BOTH parties being focused on 'stuff' that is past its use-by date, and so some ground to work with there, to make the 'realisation' that 'guys - this is silly!' ;-)

the overall aim in IC is on longterm balance. Local exaggerations as possible, we all get in a 'huff' know and then, but to continue long term, to over expend energy is a 'no no' - balance is required, and so that can mean neutralising BOTH parties in legal issues.

Chris.
 

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Oh dang it Chris... I really goofed! I typed 13 > 62 by mistake instead of 13 > 33! Can?t believe I did that. But I did and I?m awfully sorry. That of course would change your interpretation for the accusers. If it?s not too much of an imposition would you mind doing that part again please?

Your interpretation of 55 > 62 however is spot on. Excellent! Too much abundance, over exaggerated, overvalued, over acting (as in showing off pretending to be rich to impress people)... it all fits the defenders past behavior. That?s probably why the accusers targeted him/them in the first place. They thought it was cool to be envied by friends and neighbors. I warned them that envy was not a good thing and could be dangerous. They wouldn?t listen.

Still don?t quite understand what The Power of the Great means for them. Maybe that will become clearer later.

Thanks again very much for your help.
 

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Anonymous,
feel free to leave anytime. You don't have to read it. I find this thread interesting and informative.

Namaste,
Joan
 

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Hermit,
13 to 33.
The ?pr*ck? element is STILL there ;-) (heaven trigram as top)
33 reflects a form of single-minded quality control! ;-) One aspect is the intent is to entice the ?enemy? into the prepared position through ?structured? retreat. ? The withdrawal is a trick.
"TUN : withdraw; run away, flee; conceal yourself, become obscure, invisible; secluded, non-social. The ideogram: walk and swine (wealth and luck) satisfaction through walking away."ERANOS p381

The PAIR of 31, 33 reflects the overall general focus on enticement, on wooing, with a bottom-trigram focus (mountain) on blocking, on self-restraint. (the enticement as such is towards or away).
For 31 the overall focus is on integrating (top line yin, to connect etc), for 33 the focus is on differentiating (top line yang, to cut away, to break a connection (and so ?secluded, non-social? etc) ? note there is pleasure in this act of ?walking away? as compared to the pleasure of integrating in 31 ? BOTH focus on a degree of self-restraint in doing this, subtle actions, not too overboard or else ?hidden agendas? can become obvious ? the walking away can serve to entice the ?enemy? to follow).
Mountain in lower position reflects blocking, stopping, and so self-restraint. Refine mountain and we introduce being selective, being discerning, being focused on ?quality? over ?quantity? ? all of which comes out strongly when the Mountain trigram is in the top position.
The trigrams for 33 can be read as ?with/from self-restraint comes singlemindedness? 31 reads ?with/from self-restraint comes intensity (of expression ? wooing)? The trigram of Lake in lower position reflects self-reflection (both literal and metaphoric, the ?mirror? focus) The trigram of Lake in the top position reflects this self-reflection, self-promotion, as ?doubled? ? intense reflection, intensity in expression. The integrating bias (top line) extends the meaning into mirroring, copying, replication, reproduction, sex, representation etc.

The interpretations:
13 to 33 as a warning. The focus on associations with the likeminded, the archetypal focus of 13, is being distorted to being too selective, the distortion to favour a particular path, a focus, can be destructive where the overall focus of ?likemindedness? is not so extreme as suggested in 33 where one is being ?drawn in? to a relationship of ?likemindedness? that may in fact be a trick.
13 to 33 as a true change (and so overall appearing positive): The likemindedness, the associations with others is becoming concentrated, particular and also secluded (reflects the mountain influence ? selective, quality control etc etc) ?but overall the mountain-as-base focus favours blocking, stopping and doing that in a restrained, but here positive, way.
Five-phase:
Mountain in five phase maps to the phase of Filtration ? quality control based on personal experiences rather than the filtration we see in Earth trigram where the filtration is derived from outside, as in religious or secular ?rules? of what to accept/reject. (mountain and earth trigrams make up the PHASE of FILTRATION, known in the Chinese form as the phase of EARTH)
Thus heaven over mountain reflects competitive exchange within a context of filtration. (Whereas Lake over mountain reflects cooperative exchange within a context of filtration.) The SELECTIVE element in 33 is what one is being drawn into, the COMPETITIVE element acts as a qualifier to focus on the ?differentiating? aspects)
Hope some of this helps! ;-)
Chris.
 

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Hermit,
I left out the following:
13 to 33
55 to 62
combine the results.
These outcomes are in the form of dodecagrams convertible back to hexagrams:
For 13 we have 33 base, 62 top and that converts using one method (treat the hexagrams as trigrams and so ?outer? and ?inner?) into hex 48, the well, foundation setting.
For 55 we have 62 base, 33 top to give 59 dispelling illusions.
How to interpret these? I suppose as dual outcomes ? or possibly reflecting goals?. For 55 the goal or outcome is to dispel illusions (or have illusions dispelled! ;-)). For 13 the goal or outcome is foundation setting, to ?ground? a source of some sort.
This area of dodecagrams etc is ?under investigation? in that there are different ways of packing them into hexagrams?. (see http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/64dodecagrams.html )
Chris.
 

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Chris you have been extraordinarily helpful. Not only have you objectively and independently confirmed what I was already thinking but you have provided very useful additional information. For example the ?pr*ck? element you describe is something I never would have thought of in connection with Ch?ien, Heaven. But it fits the accusers to a T just as your interpretation of 55 fits the defenders . And there were many other things you said that fit like pieces to a puzzle.

Waiting for the other shoe to drop over a period of many months has been troubling. No visible movement no papers served no direct contact from the accusers... made it seem like the issue had been dropped. But it felt fishy to me. It felt like it might be a trick and you confirmed that without any input along those lines from me. I think it means that they don?t have enough to support their suppositions and are hoping their targets will become overconfident and do something that they can pounce upon.

You have given me a lot more information that I will carefully look into over the next several days. I did not understand what you meant in previous forum posts about ?treating the hexagrams as trigrams? but this post made it a bit clearer. I think I have to go to your dodecagrams link and actually work with it in order to understand how you derived 48. And I will do that because 48 struck a chord when I read that. I may have more questions for you after I have digested all of this material. Can?t tell you how much I appreciate your help. ?Thanks? is too lame but it?s all I have.


Anonymous and anyone else who was annoyed by my lack of details in describing the situation I understand your frustration and I am sorry but it was necessary. It was either be vague or not ask the forum for help at all. Aside from privacy concerns I needed to be sure that any interpretations that were offered were as free as possible from contamination by what I knew or thought about the situation myself. As many of you have said and I agree it is all too easy to read into the I Ching?s answers whatever is already in our mind. I already knew what I thought. What I wanted and needed was an objective and independent reading from one or more others. And that is what I got from Chris. Not that Gene?s wasn?t and I thank him for it but Chris?s was right on point. Amazingly so. I had a hunch he might be the right man for the job since he deals in generics and does not bother as much about particulars as the rest of us. I am glad he heard my call and answered it.

hermit
 

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Hermit,

This may be as bit 'intense' but bare with me. The quick IC is generic and as such gives generic results, it is like working with whole numbers as compared to rational numbers or working with rational numbers as compared to irrational numbers.

The patterns reflect 'strange attractors' in the form of qualities reflected in the 'invarient' hexagrams of 01, 02, 19, 20, 33, 34, 61, 62. Generic meanings, the original hexagram, will be 'attracted' to one of these and that is in the form of the questions asked (thus, for example, asking the questions and getting 43 will show it being attracted to 34).

These resulting qualities are 'invarient' in that when we change perspectives, add in in-determinacy etc so 64 hexagrams are packed into 27 symbols and 8 of those are invarient, IOW there are eight symbols that directly map to the eight hexagrams - all of the other symbols reflect 'superpositions' - this pattern is the same as the one we get in quantum mechanics, paradox processing, part:whole interactions.

IF we go to hexagram/dodecagram relationships so we have 64 hexagrams reflecting the compression of 4096 dodecagrams - these 64 become the 'invarient' forms amongst all of the 4096!

The analysis done was from the generic perspectives, we pick up generic patterns, the 'pure' forms amongst all of the local 'noise' ;-) Thus the patterns reflected 'history repeating itself', different people, different location, different particulars, SAME general patterns - thus the above hexagrams have all of the 'details' around them, circulating them as moths attracted to a light. There are properties in these hexagrams reflecting 'purity', invariance and so strong archetypes.
Thus your questions elicited from changing trigrams hexagrams that mapped to persona states (attackers/defenders - 13, 55) and their focus, their 'strange attractor' (33, 62).

Now, FROM these 'archetypes', these attractors, we can mix them using the principles of dodecagrams and so derive more meaning as in outcomes/goals and so the 48 pops out etc.

SO, don?t get too carried away with the dodecagram material, it is still ?R & D? but seems to have 'value'. Also note that, as stated, the ?quick IC? is GENERIC and so acts as a guide using invariant qualities. These qualities, being invariant, are constants over all levels of meaning derivation and are manifest at this level of meaning, the generic, in those result hexagrams of 01, 02, 19, 20, 33, 34, 61, 62. (e.g. 09 will be 'attracted' to 61, there is a sense of 'inner worth' in 09 as we make small gains to become noticed).

Ordered in their binary sequence format the 'strange attractors' are ? 02, 20, 62, 33, 19, 61, 34, 01 As ?strange attractors? all meaning is ?universal? and will be attracted to these constants. IOW there is an element of the unchanging within change ? history repeats etc etc! (see the diagram that converts 64 hexagrams into 27 symbols, 8 of which are invarient, and the other 19 all reflective of superpositions ? http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/wave.jpg ) - the eight positions are the troughs of the wave pattern ? this is the same pattern we get with quantum mechanics, paradox processing, part:whole interactions. ? (as an aside note how this interface reflects a translation level of power of two (64) into powers of three (27).)

The ?purity? focus is in the fact that these hexagrams are all sourced from the realm of pure yin and pure yang. Change perspectives, move ?up? a level and we get another set of pure forms that reflect ?invariance? but not as pure, not as universal in that they reflect first level ?superpositions? of meanings (but at their LEVEL they will appear as if hard-core ?universals?)

If you want more details then use http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/lofting/proact.html but note it asks six questions in the ?us? vs ?them? format but as such will not cover just US or just THEM in six ? something needed to do for full dodecagram mappings from changing-line hexagrams ? as I have said before, I need to set-up a database of questions for both the three and the six questions systems. The three allows us at the moment to create dodecagrams, the six don?t. (and the six needs some ?housekeeping? ? which I will do over Xmas)

Based on what has been done here you can see how things will ?collapse? in the generic IC to generic meanings that are universals ? thus your perspectives limited to three questions will bring-out results that are universals and so generate ?meaning? ? it is like writing a story, there are a limited number of forms, infinite number of contexts within which to apply those forms! (and so ?romeo and juliet? + ?the sinking of the titanic? = the movie ?Titanic? etc etc ? just like mixing trigrams, hexagrams etc)

We LIVE these patterns, behind all the facades are the same generic patterns and the generic questions bring out the patterns most applicable to any situation, but still generic, the dots are filled-in by you etc.

The generic patterns in your legal issue reflect a common theme, different locations, different people, different local expressions, SAME general expressions. The big picture is often hard to see as we are biased to zooming-in on the trees. The quick IC as such gives a view of the general forest, a view that can be used as feedback to ?refine? one?s perspective/approach to something.

As for dodecagrams, the following might be a bit ?heavy? so don?t rush through it! ;-)

There are two forms for creating the dodecagrams:

(1) from expanding a hexagram or
(2) from imposing one hexagram atop another (as we usually do with trigrams to create hexagrams)

In the case of (1), in the process of moving from approximations to precise expressions so a single line ?compresses? the format of the next level ? thus three-lines reflect the compression of six lines (three pairs), six reflect the compression of twelve lines (six pairs).

To reflect this compression in ALL its possible forms we have FOUR choices per line that unfold into two lines:
(a) pure yin (11)
(b) pure yang (00)
(c) yang into yin (10)
(d) yin into yang (01)

Since the symbolisms develop bottom-up so there is a direction involved and that is manifest in the ordering of lines where a changing line of yin into yang is reflected at the next level as TWO lines, the base being yin and the next line being yang. Thus the trigram that we call ?lake? (110) in fact transforms into the hexagram of (111100) ? hexagram 34! (one of the ?archetypes? in the list of hexagrams mapped in the quick IC).

This process reflects a shift in QUALITATIVE precision, thus the intensity of the qualities associated with the trigram of lake, and so from the level of using trigrams as the root source of meaning, are expressed IN GENERAL at the next level of meaning where we use hexagrams as the root source of meaning, by the qualities of hexagram 34 ? the invigorating, stimulating, proactive interest of the high upon the low. What happens here is that the ?unfolding? of the qualities packed-into the trigram of lake spread-out to be manifest over EIGHT hexagrams, not one. Thus a trigram ?contains? eight hexagrams as a hexagram contains 64 dodecagrams ? the unfolding process gives us PARTS. OF these parts the most STABLE, the most ?trustworthy?, in meaning for the qualities encoded into the trigram of Lake is hexagram 34.

In the trigram of lake there is a core sense of cooperative exchange as in movie stars etc where their identity is derived from their interactions with their audience and at the same time each member of the audience projects themselves into that movie star etc etc etc! Thus the property of 34 is seen in the admiration of the star as well as the star, or other charismatic type, ?invigorating? the ?low? ? the audience.

Thus in the conversion of the lake trigram into hexagram 34 we find, surprise surprise, an ease in maintaining the qualitative prose of lake that ?fits? 34. How is this so!? The point here is that there are EIGHT hexagrams that will reflect the properties of the trigram of lake, just as there are 64 dodecagrams that will reflect the properties of one hexagram, but the hexagram the most ?to the point? is the stable one, 34.

In the I Ching (and in recursion in general), each LEVEL is a stand-alone realm of being able to describe reality. Shift a level and the previous level is opened-up and being so will not reflect a ?1 for 1? mapping as in ?trigram lake moves to hexagram lake? in that the qualities packed into the trigram of lake in fact ?moves? to the new level to a sequence of eight hexagrams, not one. At the level of trigrams these eight are constants in that regardless of what level these eight don?t change ? 01, 02, 19, 33, 61, 62, 20, 34.

The precision element comes where to derive the lake HEXAGRAM from the lake TRIGRAM means a little more detail is required (they are as such ?not the same?) where to derive 110110 from a trigram we have a trigram of TWO changing lines ? 1xy (11 + 01 + 10) where x is yin into yang and y is yang into yin! This is the trigram of FIRE ? thus the fire trigram with changing lines 2 and 3 converts to the static hexagram of 58 ? the joyous. There will be eight hexagrams that will cover the qualities packed into the fire trigram.

We are talking generic qualities here, movement from raw to refined in the form of ?unfolding? where the assumptions, e.g. lake trigram into lake hexagram, show a lack in precision! There is subtlety involved.

More research required! Note that I CAN use hexagrams to replace trigrams at the level of trigrams by using one trigram atop another (as we see below in method 2) but the patterns here reflect will reflect the ?doubling? of the trigram qualities rather than their transcendences into ?new? forms.

Thus the path from lake to lake doubled is the simple act of lake being placed over lake but that still keeps us at the level of meaning associated with trigrams. IOW what we call hexagram 58 will have different meanings depending on the level it is applied. At the ?trigrams are the source of meaning? level, 58 reflects lake doubled and that is what we usually use in the more traditional IC focus (see method 2 below)

In the case of (2), it is a little easier in that are working ?backwards? from dodecagrams to hexagrams, hexagrams to trigrams. In this context we treate the POSITIONS of ?top X? vs ?bottom X? as stable and the trigrams, hexagrams, dodecagrams operate WITHIN those positions.

Thus a ?hexagram? is two trigrams, one for the outer and one for the inner. A dodecagram is two hexagrams, one for the outer and one for the inner. We can apply the conversion rules in reverse where a line PAIR of 00 converts to the next level as 0, of 11 to the next level as 1, of 01 to the next level as a changing yin line and 10 as a changing yang line.
Thus, a dodecagram made-up of hexagram 111111 in the lower and 111110 in the upper ?converts? to 111111111110 that compresses to 11111x ? hexagram 1 with a changing top line. Note how you cannot compress one more level, from a changing line hexagram to a trigram.

Hope this is not too heavy! ;-) The eight hexagrams applied to changing trigrams are worth careful consideration, there are qualities involved that reflect 'invarience' such that all of the details will be 'swimming around' these 'attractors' - as I said, it is like the number of story-lines that get repeated, same patterns but different contexts and so different 'details'.

I am happy to see that the generic analysis reflected the 'general' picture of things for you. As I said, I will try and 'refine' the six-question system more over Xmas and so move 'properly' into dodecagram dynamics and detailed hexagram 'attractors'.

Chris.
 

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WOW Chris! How generous of you to devote so much time and effert into typing all that up. Thank you. And thank you for explaining it in such clear language that I could understand without consulting a dictionary. ;-) Understanding the concepts however will take more than one reading of course and I will have to actually work with it step by step before I can 'make it my own.' I'll hold off until after you have completed what you intend to do over the holidays. You have given me more than enough to keep me busy until then. Hope you leave yourself time to enjoy the holiday season.

Warmest regards and best wishes,
hermit
 

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