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Hi all,

When we analyse the pairs of hexagrams derived from the binary sequence (the realm of universal structures), the top YIN line (line position 6) reflects a hexagram with unconditional expression and as such is the 'ground' from which the corresponding YANG top line hexagram has emerged (IOW, when focusingon 6 lines, the pair of hexagrams have emerged from the previous 5 lines and they from the previous 4 etc. As such each level of recursion is (a) the EXPRESSION (yin top line vs yang top line) of the previous level and (b) the SEED for the next level.)

As such, given the 'originating' nature of YIN as a 'potential' so identification of the YIN nature is indicative of what the YANG is representing but in a conditional, exaggerated, particular, more competitive, format.

For example, hexagram 02 covers all potentials and as such reflects unconditional devotion. 02 and 23 are a PAIR in the binary ordering and hexagram 23 reflects these 02 qualities now exaggerated, expressed in a particular, conditional, perspective.

This unconditional/conditional perspective derives from the interpretation of 02 as 'pure potential' and all of the other hexagrams being actualisations. With recursion being what it is, so the 02 (000000 - unconditional) - 01 (111111 - conditional) pattern at the level of the general is repeated locally, across the elements of each of the 32 pairs.

The STATE being represented by the hexagram SYMBOLS is not of the layers of yin/yang but the FINAL layer; each level of differentiation, the top line and its link with all below it, is in fact a finer distinction of the ONE space; the lines as such are PARTS of the whole and we can extract all of them using the XOR operator as covered before. (Imagine using colours to map out the qualities of hexagrams - all we would see would be a single hue representing that state rather than six lines. This is disadvantageous in that we cannot use the precision of the lines to extract details, but is also advantageous in that it shows the 'wholeness' of the six-line symbol)

Thus to establish the general meaning of the yang-top hexagrams, look to the associated yin-top. To extract details, use the XOR operator (as covered in the material on line positions).

The pairings of yin/yang top hexagrams, and so the binary sequence, are (in order of unconditional/conditional):

trad#: generic meanings using unconditional/conditional (aka cooperative/competitive, general/particular)

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(02) : unconditional devotion to another/others
(23) : conditional devotion to another/others
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(08) : unconditional attraction (passive)
(20) : conditional attraction (admiration of a particular)
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(16) : unconditional foresight, planning (general enthusiasm)
(35) : conditional foresight, planning (bring 'something' into the light)
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(45) : unconditional celebration of faith
(12) : conditional 'celebration' (through competition, neutralising)
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(15) : unconditional levelling out
(52) : conditiona levelling out (discernment, block particulars)
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(39) : unconditional obstructing (against the grain)
(53) : conditional obstructing (Maturing, development with the grain)
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(62) : unconditional loyalty
(56) : conditional loyalty
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(31) : unconditional enticement (cooperative)
(33) : conditional enticement (competitive)
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(07) : unconditional uniformity ('socialise' regardless)
(04) : conditional uniformity (socialise immature)
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(29) : unconditional containment/control
(59) : conditional containment/control (dispel particular illusions)
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(40) : unconditional tension release (relaxed structure)
(64) : conditional tension release (over-relaxed structure)
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(47) : unconditional contaiment/enclosure
(06) : conditional containment/enclosure (compromise)
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(46) : unconditional 'entanglement' with others
(18) : conditional 'entanglement' with others (fight/avoid corruption)
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(48) : unconditional foundation setting
(57) : conditional foundation setting (cultivation, become influencial)
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(32) : unconditional commitment
(50) : conditional commitment (transformation, 'cooking' raw to refined)
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(28) : unconditional excess (go beyond requirements)
(44) : conditional excess (persuade/seduce)
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(24) : unconditional 'returning'
(27) : conditional 'returning' ( discernment re intake)
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(03) : unconditional sprouting
(42) : conditional sprouting
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(51) : unconditional enlightenment
(21) : conditional enlightenment
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(17) : unconditional following
(25) : conditional following (say one's thing)
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(36) : unconditional covering
(22) : conditional covering
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(63) : unconditional completion
(37) : conditional completion (rigid structure is tension release)
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(55) : unconditional diversity
(30) : conditional diversity (ideology etc)
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(49) : unconditional revelation
(13) : conditional revelation
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(19) : unconditional deference/approach
(41) : conditional deference/approach (distillation)
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(60) : unconditional limitations/standardisations
(61) : conditional limitations (sympathise)
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(54) : unconditional initial intensity in expression (immaturity)
(38) : conditional initial intensity in expression (mirroring)
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(58) : unconditional 'joy', intensity in expression & self-reflection
(10) : conditional 'joy' intensity in expression & self-reflection (conduct)
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(11) : unconditional harmonising/balancing/mediating
(26) : conditional harmonising/balancing/mediating
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(05) : unconditional opportunism (have to wait)
(09) : conditional opportunism (building foundations)
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(34) : unconditional invigoration
(14) : conditional invigoration
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(43) : unconditional 'seeding', self-promotion, spread the word
(01) : conditional seeding, self-promotion, competition
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The STATE being represented by the hexagram SYMBOLS is not of the layers of yin/yang but the FINAL layer; each level of differentiation, the top line and its link with all below it, is in fact a finer distinction of the ONE space; the lines as such are PARTS of the whole and we can extract all of them using the XOR operator as covered before. (Imagine using colours to map out the qualities of hexagrams - all we would see would be a single hue representing that state rather than six lines. This is disadvantageous in that we cannot use the precision of the lines to extract details, but is also advantageous in that it shows the 'wholeness' of the six-line symbol)

Is this 'rule' also applies to line 5, line 4 etc of a hexagram?

E.g. Line 4 of 36 and line 4 of 37 belongs to same color.

or

Line 4 of 36 and line 4 of 13 share the same space.
 

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They share the same 'controller' in the form of the hexagram with that set, and only that set, of yang lines.

Line position 4 is mapped to hexagram 16 - and so reflects the 'minister' aiding the 'king' - in 16 overall focus is on use of foresight, planning, and general enthusiasm - all vital skills for a minister (and with that the overall focus on devotion to another - heaven base trigram)

If we coloured things line by line then we would get a mixing of the colours into a single hue.

We can do the same thing if we use waves - a hexagram, working from bottom to top, is made up of 1 wave of 2cps, 1 of 4, 1 of 8 etc all 'yang' states would contain that wave, all 'yin' states exclude it. The SUM would be some wave form and as such, covertable due to frequency differences to some colour.

However, this will not give us the PRECISION we can get when using lines processing (or bits, 0/1) - and with that comes the ability to extract parts information using XOR etc.
 

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that list you made there was really good.
those are really good interpretations of hexagrams.

you could write a book about the i ching and just have it be about that list and it would be cool in itself
 

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thanks Megabbobby -- I am endevouring to 'refine' the web pages and intend to incorporate the above in that refinement. A book form would focus on including the line position material to focus on how it all links together.

the material as such would be more philosophical than divinational - it could be used for divination but the line material would not be the traditional format since that is too local, too 10th century BC and so focused on that era for sources of analogy to describe the IC qualities.

The 'Universal' IC focus needs to focus more on the universal - and so ideally even drop the traditional numbering for binary numbering but that could be 'confusing' for some due to the entrenchment of those traditional numbers in interpretations.

Chris.
 

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each level of recursion is (a) the EXPRESSION (yin top line vs yang top line) of the previous level and (b) the SEED for the next level.

In your opinion, can we use npn-pnp transistors to depict the above?
 

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In principle I dont see any issue - the IDM perspective allows for the development of a 'meaning' module of some form - slot it into a set of sensors and it can interpret the data into 'human' terms - qualities etc.

You could have sensory systems communicating conditions via reference to hexagrams! ;-)

"its, like, very, you know, 47 down here"...
 

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LOL! Om.

didnt you know? I am one of the unwashed - a drop out. Cant have a drop out as a mentor! ;-)
 

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yikes, thats the first bit of english i've managed to grasp from you Chris

yeh, i suppose you're right.....

.....oooh go on Chris, it only entails a bit of mental jostling from time to time. we can start a new thread so that everyone else can benefit from it or correspond direct i've always sought to break new ground with my work so i suppose thats not too far away from being a 'drop out'. i have the ability for visuals, you have a talent for the verbal and structural confusion so loved by the world of academia. obviously i could directly access your work and give you a little mention in the appendices, but it only seems fair to acknowledge your worth. besides we would be in service to the Yi giving it a resting place in a reputable institute of art. what could be better than that? it is also largely known that science and art are inextricably linked

my life is unconventional too. totally devoted to the Tao and the Yi

i'll do you a signed original in return (art)

how about that then Chris?

om
 

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apologies for breaking the thread. its ok Chris i can accept a no. i can struggle and muddle, befuddled and confused..........

joking aside it really is ok. i realise i put you on the spot. thanks for responding. i should have asked the Yi first.

om
 

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If the thesis is about " A journey to the center of the brain", maybe Chris could help unconditional (4.1). BTW, is the first line of the hexagram conditional?
 

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om -

(1) to focus on the traditional material etc I am the last person to talk to. LiSe etc would be better in that area.

(2) to focus on the universal material I would be the first person to talk to.

That said, there is nothing stopping you starting an "OMs MA" thread to discuss particulars but to use that material in your MA would need to be accepted by your supervisors where the focus on references etc is more on your standard texts, not on some chat-list on the 'net!

Good luck!

Chris.
 

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Yly wrote:

"BTW, is the first line of the hexagram conditional?"

Now your thinking. EVERY line is either conditional or unconditional.

as we build hexagrams we move from BOTTOM to TOP, from VAGUE to CRISP, GENERAL to PARTICULAR.

At the bottom line we have conditional/unconditional but this is 'nebulous', vague, waving-of-hands expressions - but at that level so we only have conditional/unconditional.

AS we add lines so we become increasingly 'sure' about expression. For every level so the TOP line is the main source of EXPRESSION at that level.

By the time we have created six lines, it is that sixth line that is the 'meaning' at that level - the others still contain their degrees of 'vagueness' etc. and the concentrated, precise, explicit, expression of the top line 'colours' the hexagram's nature overall.

In principle we can do this:

differentiating/integrating
---------------/------------
conditional / unconditional
competitive / cooperative
etc
etc

and make our list all about differentiating/integrating (02 is integrating, 23 is differentiating, 02 is cooperative, 23 competitive, 02 is unconditional, 23 conditional)

BUT we have to deal with such pairs as:

47 and 06

If I write '47 is cooperative' then many a complaint would be made! The fact is it IS cooperative (I leave you to figure out how/why).

If, I write '47 is integrating' there is a vague sense of understanding but also an element of a 'sweeping statement'.

If I write '47 is unconditional' there is agreement in general.

06 on the other hand is (a) conditional (b) competitive (c) differentiating - BUT it is about a boundary (water base trigram) and so there is a focus on a 'line', to compromise, not to cross it, meet the enemy half way, no more, no less. This is all compromising and so conditional but also competitive.

The dichotomies of:

competitive/cooperative
conditional/unconditional

are all synoyms for differentiating/integrating, just subtle elements, associated with the particular labels, skew perceptions.

Thus we can replace:

I differentiate to differentiate to differentiate (heaven trigram) with:

I compete to compete to compete! (always moving general to particular)

I can add the dichotomy 'male/female' where 02 is female, 23 is male etc. I can stack these dichotomies up to aid in fleshing-out aspects of any hexagram from focusing on the top line dynamics. Some of the dichotomies appear 'out of context' when they are in, it is just the bias in the naming of the hexagram that is the issue - dichotomies such as unconditional/conditional fit well in that they are 'precise' enough to notice the differences and yet vague enough not to put noses out of join re interpretations!

At the raw, nitty gritty end of things it is all differentiating/integrating. CONTEXT then re-labels these to bring out aspects that are difficult to express using one set of labels!

If we order things in the natural binary sequence, ALL hexagrams with a yin base are 'generally' unconditional. As we build the hexagrasms so that original vague determination becomes stronger, crisper, and at the same time the hexagram grows with meaning as a whole.

Thus 02 is about devotion as it is about darkness but across both 'meanings' it is unconditional in their expression.

If you know logic then we are dealing with first order (object) vs second order (properties of objects) categorisations.

Chris.
 

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BTW - the dichotomies covered above are asymmetric dichotomies where the 'yang' has emerged from the 'yin', the particular from the general.

The pairs of hexagrams are as such asymetric in their relationships and the dichotomies 'fit'.

OTOH, if we switch to a symmetric perspective we focus on particular/particular, on differentiating/differentiating and so on difference from sameness - here the focus is on +1/-1 interpretations to a SINGLE hexagram, thus any hexagram is intepretable as 'positive' or 'negative' in expression. - e.g. 02 as darkness is negative (fear) but is also positive (place to hide) - but it is still unconditional in doing either of these and so we see two paths of 'painting meaning' on hexagrams - two forms of dichotomies etc.
 

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thanks very much Chris. i shall start the thread once i pluck up the courage. nice thing is it will essentially belong to all those who contribute to seeing the i ching gain some formal recognition in an institute that gave us edward byrne'jones and dante gabriel rosetti!

om
 

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For ANY hexagram, changing lines 1 and 6 will give another hexagram describing by analogy the core nature of the changed hexagram; the clay from which it was made, the basic form, structure, that distinguishes the hexagram from all of the others.

This is an abstract from other thread.
Just wonder why only changing lines 1 and 6?
Anything to do with the conditional/unconditional nature of hexagram?
 

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(Imagine using colours to map out the qualities of hexagrams - all we would see would be a single hue representing that state rather than six lines. This is disadvantageous in that we cannot use the precision of the lines to extract details, but is also advantageous in that it shows the 'wholeness' of the six-line symbol)

There are 3 attributes in the world of color: Hue, Lightness and Saturation.

Can we map:
(1) 8 trigrams to the Hue?
(2) 64 hexagram to the saturation between 2 hues?
(3) 6 changing lines in each hexagram to the lightness of a particular saturation?
 

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you could try that but I think it would be overly too 'colourful' if one wants to focus on bits - with our senses we can easily extract each note from a chord but not the RGB make up in colours - and it is the precision in note extraction that allows for XOR-ing easily.

The 'coloured' I Ching as you propose would be interesting (there is a set of cards available (the 'visual' I Ching? something like that) with trigrams coloured but it does not reflect the complexity of what you propose in that the hexagrams are colour A 'over', as a trigram, colour B - whereas the whole needs to be the mixing of those colours into a unique expression of a whole.)

Since the binary sequence is a spectrum, and so an ordering of harmonics, so the range would be from infra-red/red of yin to blue/ultraviolet of yang.

IOW given the spectrum of hexagrams so we can overlay the light spectrum to reflect energy differences.

Thus the binary order of trigrams maps to the same space, just that with hexagrams we get more details where ALL of the other colours are expressed in each colour - my point being in mixing the colours, not just having one colour 'on top of' another.

Chris.
 

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I think the 'visual' I Ching and any other form of colouring 'forgets' that the space occupied by the lines vertically is also a spectrum space - we fold the spectrum into 6 'steps' if you like and that can mislead.
 

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