unexpectd reaction from the boss, how does he see me?

[lindorita]

Hello everybody!

yesterday I had quite an animated discussion with my boss, which made me understand that I thought he saw me differently. His words were like swords to me and I realized that from now on I shall do not act anymore with the same dedication and commitment as I was doing before. Asking what he thinks of me I got:

53.3.6 > 8

and I don't understand what this means in line 3, in regard to my situation and query.

Wild geese gradually progress to the high plateau.
The husband marches out and does not return,
The wife is pregnant, but does not raise the child.
Pitfall. Fruitful to resist outlaws.’

line 6 sound comforting, was thankful when I got it...


Thanks for any comment on that.

lindorita

 

[willowfox]

It suggests that he sees you basically as an employee under his control, so he expects you to play by his rules, so your chewing the "fat' with him obviously rattled his cage which he didn't like, hence the pointy barbed replies. You are not equals.

 

[lindorita]

It suggests that he sees you basically as an employee under his control, so he expects you to play by his rules, so your chewing the "fat' with him obviously rattled his cage which he didn't like, hence the pointy barbed replies. You are not equals.

wow, I am impressed...
that's what I sensed...what do u mean by chewing the "fat" ?

I never wanted to be equal to him, but I have the impression he is bothered by the quality of my job, as if he wanted to reduce it and "dominate" any possibility of me demanding something in reward, might that be?
Sensing this shocked me...
Why Hex 8 then as a consequence?

Yesterday evening when I was really in a bad mood ( more than bad, disappointed and frustrated) I aske IC which would be the best attitude to have towards this situation, and I got 33.1.5 > 30 which I understand as a " retreat in dignity and the situation will get better", do I see it right?

Thank you.

lindorita

 

[willowfox]

Hex 8 is about a group that has a leader similar to a job, where the boss has all sorts of people under his control.

Chewing the fat = a discussion.

 

[themis]

Yes, I believe you do see it right re. 33.1.5>30. In addition, I'd add that Hex 30 is simply
beautiful ... radiance in all its splendour.

The pertinent lines in Hex 53 give a picture of how the situation will progress. Line 3 is
the present and the disciplined husband refers to someone who's been scolded/had stern
action taken against them or just a conversation leaving you feeling you've been misjudged
and are not appreciated/your potential is not valued. However ... Line 6 gives hope of renewal,
the feathers will be 'activated' and some sort of solution will be found/your situation will improve.

The resultlng his Hex (8) 'Grouping' 'Standing by' is positive in that it indicates you'll be appreciated.

Under the present circumstances, do continue to show as much dedication and commitment and
persevere with rendering high quality output. Continue to execute all your assignments with as
much enthusiasm and conscientiousness.

 

[lindorita]

Yes, I believe you do see it right re. 33.1.5>30. In addition, I'd add that Hex 30 is simply
beautiful ... radiance in all its splendour.

The pertinent lines in Hex 53 give a picture of how the situation will progress. Line 3 is
just a conversation leaving you feeling you've been misjudged
and are not appreciated/your potential is not valued.
However ... Line 6 gives hope of renewal,the feathers will be 'activated' and some sort of solution will be found/your situation will improve.

Under the present circumstances, do continue to show as much dedication and commitment and
persevere with rendering high quality output. Continue to execute all your assignments with as
much enthusiasm and conscientiousness.

Thank you Themis..very encouraging interpretation, however I have to watch out not to be too committed, I sense I have some jealous people around me, ( who have been here for much longer than me!) and somewhat they feel menaced by my efficiency, while I do not at all have any intentions to steel anybody's "chair".
My projects are to leave even the sector, in the long run, I just am commited and intense.
Learning that not everybody can handle that.
Thanks again!
Very useful.

lindorita

 

[themis]

Actually, I had the impression that perhaps some back-stabbing had happened ! The Boss is
presently being influenced, but don't worry, soon he'll realise ! No need to be intense, go
about your duties quietly with the same dedication. Watch your back as they say. Don't
engage too much in conversation with your jealous colleagues and don't address anything
personal - private life must be left out of the picture ! By all means discuss your weekend
on Monday, vaguely, never disclose your worries. And ... this discussion with your Boss, I
suggest you keep it all to yourself and continue smiling. If you shine, it's not your problem
it's theirs.

 

[lindorita]

Actually, I had the impression that perhaps some back-stabbing had happened !

I guess so as well...

The Boss is
presently being influenced, but don't worry, soon he'll realise !

And ... this discussion with your Boss, I
suggest you keep it all to yourself and continue smiling. If you shine, it's not your problem
it's theirs.

yes, that's very good advice, thank you for that...
Just a bit tough to shine sometimes.

Your interpretations are very comforting and concrete at the same time!

lindorita

 

[caustic]

The resultlng his Hex (8) 'Grouping' 'Standing by' is positive in that it indicates you'll be appreciated.

Hi, Themis. Would you mind going into a little more detail as to how hex 8 is about being appreciated? There a lot that I don't really know about hex 8 yet.

 

[peter2610]

Asking what he thinks of me I got: 53,3,6 > 8

My interpretation of this reading would be that it is directed at your own situation, thoughts and intentions, rather than describing your boss's 'thoughts.'

Hex 53, Gradual Development, describes a process of adaptation, commitment and consistency used to achieve a lasting goal. Inwardly there is stability, Ken, outwardly there is penetration and growth, Sun. A mountain can be difficult to climb, and even more difficult for a young tree to flourish, but by flexible adaptation a sapling can make use of whatever is available and gradually establish itself in a secure position. The imagery of 'geese' is used because they represent consistency and fidelity, qualities that are vital in the process of inner growth.

Third Yang: The wild goose gradually draws near the plateau. The man goes forth and does not return. The woman carries a child but does not bring it forth. Misfortune. It furthers one to fight off robbers.

Rather than persevere with climbing from low to high, third yang wanders aimlessly on the highland plateau, order is lost. The man goes forth and does not return - the (inner) harmony of yin and yang is lost, one gets involved in artificiality, the real is lost. The woman carries a child but does not raise it - the process of growth and fruition is not completed.
All this sounds very negative but this line is simply describing the outcome, in terms of your thoughts and feelings, following your animated discussion with your boss. Your instinctive reaction is to abandon your path of gradual progress at work, to abandon your dedication and commitment. By implication, third yang is urging you not to proceed in this direction. 'Fighting off robbers' means resisting the influence of negative thoughts and emotions.
The fan yao, 20.3, represents the process of contemplating the choices now before you: to go on or retreat - "This self-contemplation means the overcoming of naive egotism in the person who sees everything solely from his own viewpoint. He begins to reflect and in this way acquires objectivity" - Wilhelm.

Top Yang: The wild goose gradually draws near the cloud heights. Its feathers can be used in the sacred dance. Good fortune.

At the culmination of the Dao of Development, the process is brought to completion. Internally, this means the attainment of clarity; reaching a state of mind in which there is no confusion as to one's direction. In this way one's success can be used as a pattern (the feathers) for others to follow in the sacred dance of life.


The Zhi Gua, Hex 8, Pi, Holding Together, echoes the need for the qualities of constancy and perseverance in holding to the universal process, in holding to your higher-self. The parallel nuclear process 64.2.4 > 23, is also urging the need for perseverance in bringing things to completion, and pointing to the danger of losing/splitting from your direction.


This reading is clearly urging you to reconsider and resist the negative impressions created by your clash with your boss. Don't jeopardize the time, effort and dedication you've put into your work, but try to bring it to completion. In my opinion only, this reading is saying nothing at all about your boss's thoughts towards you. I can't emphasize too strongly how the I Ching cannot be used in that way, no matter how you word the question.

 

[lindorita]

This reading is clearly urging you to reconsider and resist the negative impressions created by your clash with your boss. Don't jeopardize the time, effort and dedication you've put into your work, but try to bring it to completion. In my opinion only, this reading is saying nothing at all about your boss's thoughts towards you. I can't emphasize too strongly how the I Ching cannot be used in that way, no matter how you word the question.

Hi Peter, and many thanks for your beautiful interpretation.
Does that mean in your sense, that even tough I ask IC about somebody else's reasons and opinion, he will ONLY answer referring himself to the requester's state of mind and feelings? Could you possibly tell us something more about that?
Thanks y lot for your beautiful insight ( I reeeally liked it!)

lindorita

 

[peter2610]

Hi Peter, and many thanks for your beautiful interpretation.
Does that mean in your sense, that even tough I ask IC about somebody else's reasons and opinion, he will ONLY answer referring himself to the requester's state of mind and feelings? Could you possibly tell us something more about that?

Yes, on the whole that's correct. Synchronicity, the process by which I Ching divination works, is based on the relationship between mind and matter. The 'mind' aspect refers to the mind of the questioner, not anyone else's. The I Ching doesn't have a 'third person' button that can instantly transpose the line texts into someone else's thoughts or feelings, no matter how you word the question. If you insist on trying to interpret 'third person' questions at a literal level you'll end up with some pretty wild guesswork, in my opinion.

That doesn't mean that the I Ching can't help us in relationships, or in determining someone else's direction, far from it. We can evaluate exactly where we are in a relationship by implication; that is, from the guidance we receive regarding our own conduct and direction. The I Ching will indicate very clearly when the way forward in a relationship is open, and when we need to wait. The guidance is directed at oneself, but it tells you enough to judge whether the other person is likely to be open and receptive or not.

The I Ching will describe other peoples behaviour and direction, but only from your perspective. It won't place you literally into someone else's mental or emotional processes, except by implication. If you push for this, you'll get an answer of course, but it won't work at a literal level because it will actually be directed at your own mental processes.
The only exception is with people with whom we have a very, very intimate relationship. In these cases we can sometimes receive an answer that translates into personal thoughts or emotions but you have to be extremely careful not to jump to any wild assumptions.

 

[willowfox]

In my opinion only, this reading is saying nothing at all about your boss's thoughts towards you. I can't emphasize too strongly how the I Ching cannot be used in that way, no matter how you word the question.

I have to disagree here, as every type of divination system can "read" another person's thoughts, feelings and intentions. Therefore the IC, tarot etc can indeed be used that way, as we do it all the time, obviously not you but a vast majority of us do it. Check out the largest tarot site on the web and you maybe surprised at what you read.

In conclusion, this question and answer are telling her how her boss feels towards her. And I empathize strongly that the I Ching can indeed be used to "read" another person's thoughts.

 

[willowfox]

Does that mean , that even though I ask IC about somebody else's reasons and opinion, he will ONLY answer referring himself to the requester's state of mind and feelings?

No! The IC will answer what you asked about, you just have to bend your mind in order to interpret the answer from someone else's point of view. Just because you ask a question about someone else, there is no rule or obligation that the IC must talk about you and only you.

When we ask about the conditions of a car or house for instance, will the IC describe our own condition, of course not, it will describe the condition of the object in question.

But if in your own mind you have convinced yourself that reading about another person's feelings and intentions are impossible, then it will be impossible for you.

I, along with countless others do readings about other people's feelings and intentions everyday. When I ask about another person, my reading will show what that person is thinking and up to. Believe it, and there are no wild guesses involved at all.

So keep your mind up to all possibilities and try them as well.

 

[themis]

Hi Caustic,

Hex 8 as described in my book sums up the Hex as follows: 'The situation described by this hexagram is characterized by sorting and comparing things or people according to their
essential nature and grouping what belongs together'. (The Original I Ching: Ritsema & Sabbadini)

I often receive this Hex if I'm expcting to hear from someone but am clouded by doubts following
an issue. Hence grouping confirms that despite whatever occurred, the person appreciates one
enough to pursue/resume whatever relationship or issue at hand. When I read for others, it reassures
that much as there may be tension or whatever in the air, the person in question will indeed 'return'.

Lindorita,

The IC can certainly peek into another's mind/heart and enlighten you with its response about
the other party's feelings, intentions, etc. Extremely handy when dealing with tricky customers ...