US-China Relations: 53.2.4.5.6 to 32, 11 uc, and 56.4.6 to 15

[Fanofenka]

Many in the tarot/psychic community are seeing that Trump is attacking China constantly, i.e. COVID-19 to trade relations. I feel that this will have a lasting effect on Chinese communities globally.

Why is Trump attacking China? 53.2.4.5.6 Gradual Progress (Development) to 32 Lasting (Duration).
Hex 53: Gradual progress. The woman marries. Good fortune. Constancy bears fruit. (Oracle) On the mountain is a tree: Gradual Progress. A noble one abides in virtuous character and improves the ordinary. (Image)
Line 2: Wild geese gradually progress to the rock. Drinking and eating, feasting and feasting. Good fortune.
Line 4: Wild geese gradually progress to the trees. Maybe find a flat branch – no mistake.
Line 5: Wild geese gradually progress to the ancestral grave-mounds. The wife is not pregnant for three years. In the end, nothing can prevent it. Good fortune.
Line 6: Wild geese gradually progress to the high plateau. Their feathers can be used to perform the sacred dances. Good fortune.
It is saying that Trump is gradually serving his base (53) for his election that will have lasting effects (32)?

How will the closing of the Chinese consulate in Houston affect other Chinese consulates? 11 uc Flow.
Flow. Small goes, great comes. Good fortune, creating success. (Oracle) Heaven and Earth communicate: Flow. The prince enriches and completes the way of heaven and earth, Upholds and assists the order of heaven and earth, To support and protect the people. (Image)
Is it saying that the other consulates will follow suit?

How will the strained US-China relations affect Chinese communities worldwide? 56.4.6 Travelling (The Wanderer) to 15 Integrity (Modesty).
Hex 56: Traveller, creating small success. Travelling, constancy brings good fortune. (Oracle) Above the mountain is fire: Travelling. A noble one is clear and thoughtful in administering punishments, and doesn't draw out legal proceedings. (Image)
Line 4: Traveller in a place to stay, Gains property and an axe. My heart is not glad.
Line 6: The bird burns its nest. Travelling people first laugh, afterwards cry out and weep. Lose cattle in Yi. Pitfall.
Hex 15: Integrity creates success. A noble one completes it. (Oracle) In the centre of the earth there is a mountain: Integrity. A noble one reduces what is too much and increases what is diminished. Weighing things up to even out their distribution. (Image)
56.4=The communities will be safe with amenities.
56.6=The communities will feel alienated.
15=The communities will follow their own principles.

 

[Valmar33]

Gee... ever thought that Trump is attacking China because the Chinese government is extraordinarily corrupt? China's attempts to cover up COVID-19 from the start, along with using the WHO as a propaganda arm, along with their aggression against neighbouring countries like Taiwan play a massive role.

Frankly, it doesn't take a reading from Yi to comprehend this.

What really worries me is how the Chinese living under their yoke have suffered as a result of being oppressed by their evil government for such a long time...

The Chinese government basically a full-blown totalitarian dictatorship that has a genuinely appalling humans rights record, and which imprisons gay and black people in prison camps... to which the mass media is simply silent on. And international corporations still happily do business with them, in spite of this.

 

[Lavalamp]

Slave labor in China. Million of Muslims in slave labor camps.

Forced Uyghur labour reported at Chinese factories supplying Nike, Apple

The Australian Strategic Policy Institute says 80,000 Uyghur workers were transferred out of Xinjiang between 2017 and 2019, and claims that people are being effectively "bought" and "sold" by local governments and commercial brokers.

www.abc.net.au

The Fate Of Uighur Muslims In China: From Re-education Camps To Forced Labor

According to a recent report published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), between 2017 and 2019, the Chinese Government facilitated the transfer of Uighur Muslims and other ethnic minorities from Xinjiang to factories in various parts of China.

www.forbes.com

And in other concentration camps they harvest organs from the religious Falun Gong prisoners for medical procedures for Party members. It's a horrific regime actually.

Forced Organ Harvesting: “One of the worst mass atrocities of this century”

Health Europa Quarterly investigates the horrific practice of forced organ harvesting in Chinese prisons and talks with survivors.

www.healtheuropa.eu

These Marxist Socialists murdered more people than were killed in every 20th century war. Over 115 Million in "Democide" from 1900 to 1987. Democide = killing your own citizens,



- LL

 

[Trojina]

Duplicate of SR thread ???

 

[hilary]

Moderator note:

Fanofenka for some reason created two copies of this thread. I have moved the unique posts from the duplicate in Shared Readings over here, and deleted that thread.

Normally, posts with readings belong in Shared Readings. However, it's become abundantly clear that there's no such thing as a political reading thread that doesn't become a free political discussion. Those belong here, in Open Space.

 

[Fanofenka]

I was wondering will the strained US-China relations have a negative effect on Chinese communities?

 

[Freedda]

ever thought that Trump is attacking China because the Chinese government is extraordinarily corrupt?

That's not my take on it. I don't think Trump is particularly concerned with China's corruption, nor their lack of democracy. I mean he is not especially concerned about those things in other parts of the world: Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Brazil, Turkey, North Korea ....

For Trump, it's all about the art of the deal; if he thinks he can get a good deal out of the situation, then everything else takes a back seat.

The other, perhaps larger fly in the ointment here is to have the expectation that China would act any differently than how they are acting. The have been a one-party dictatorship for 80 or so years. And before that they were ruled by emperors, which at times ruled wisely, but were often corrupt and whose leaders were interested in what they could get out of the situation.

One of the things that gave rise to China's Communist Party was the fact that the last empire had let foreigners - including the Japanese - have full reign over the country and the people rebelled.

All the best ...

 

[Lavalamp]

That's not my take on it. I don't think Trump is particularly concerned with China's corruption, nor their lack of democracy. I mean he is not especially concerned about those things in other parts of the world: Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Brazil, Turkey, North Korea ....

For Trump, it's all about the art of the deal; if he thinks he can get a good deal out of the situation, then everything else takes a back seat.

You fundamentally do not understand the threat China poses to the entire world and Democracy, you certainly do not understand Donald Trump. As far back as 1988 on the Oprah Winfrey show he spoke about how the American economy was being exploited, and has often has said up to him he would levy 25% tariffs on Chinese imports.

When Trump told Xinhua, the official news agency of the People's Republic of China he has read hundreds of books about China over the decades, and made a lot of money off of China, they asked him to name his favorites. He named twenty -

1. "The Party" by Richard McGregor
2. "On China" by Henry Kissinger
3. "Mao: The Untold Story" by Jung Chang
4. "Tide Players" by Jianying Zha
5. "One Billion Customers" by James McGregor
6. "The Coming China Wars" by Peter W. Navarro
7. "The Beijing Consensus" by Stefan Halper
8. "China CEO" by Juan Antonio Fernandez and Laurie Underwood
9. "Poorly Made in China" by Paul Midler
10. "CHINA: Portrait of a People" by Tom Carter
11. "The Man Who Loved China" by Simon Winchester
12. "China Shakes the World" by James Kynge
13. "Mr. China" by Tim Clissold
14. "Country Driving" by Peter Hessler
15. "The Dragon's Gift" by Deborah Brautigam
16. "Factory Girls" by Leslie T. Chang
17. "The Heavenly Man" by Brother Yun
18. "1421" by Gavin Menzies
19. "Seven Years in Tibet" by Heinrich Harrer
20. "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother" by Amy Chua

You grossly underestimate Donald Trump. And as Sun Tzu says in the "The Art Of War" - which is also on Trump's recommended reading list - that has consequences.
Of course when he said "hundreds" that may have been a term of art. But maybe not. He does not mind when people underestimate him, because that leads to their failure, not his. Obama had his version of "rope a dope," and Trump also has his.

- LL

 

[Freedda]

You fundamentally do not understand the threat China poses to the entire world and Democracy.

Actually, I am well aware of China's threat, or at least as any thinking person can be. What I said was about Donald Trump's understand and his motivations, not mine ....

When Trump told Xinhua, the official news agency of ... China he has read hundreds of books about China over the decades, and made a lot of money off of China, they asked him to name his favorites ....

Wow, I don't really know where to start here ... except to say that I assume nothing I say is going to matter to you. You'll find some other way to support our selfish, lying, self-serving, sociopath president.

I admit that even back in his 'Apprentice' days, I found him a vile, disgusting bully. I watched this show once for a minute or two, and could only think, how can anyone like or trust this man? And true to form, he has done nothing to change my mind since.

As to the Trump interview with China's news service, I tried to find confirmation about this, and about the only thing I could find was:

Peter Navarro & Trump’s Fake “20 Favorite Books on China” ... which says, in part:

'And (his interview and book list) it's complete and utter fiction.

'There never was a Xinhua interview that Trump gave about China in April 2011. He didn’t make those statements or say “I’ve read hundreds of books about China” or “I understand the Chinese mind.” And, unsurprisingly, he did not, off the top of his head, list twenty books about China and their authors.'

But he did say on April 14, 2011:
* “I did very well with Chinese people. Very well. Believe me.”

* “I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.”

* “I am a really smart guy.”

* And in April 2011, he revived discredited “birther” claims about President Obama ....

So here Trump says nothing about the Chinese and their threats to our country; instead, he brags about making money with them, tells us how smart he is, he shows us his ability to lie in the face of facts, and even back then he was lying about letting us see his tax returns (which he still has not done, and still continues to lie about).

https://www.bullspotting.com/articles/debunking-donald-trumps-20-favorite-books-on-china/

And in case we need further proof to question our president's extensive knowledge and book-reading and comprehension abilities ....

From the NY Times: Unwanted Truths: Inside Trump’s Battles With U.S. Intelligence Agencies

Under Trump, intelligence officials have been placed in the unusual position of being pressured to justify ... their work, protect their colleagues from political retribution and demonstrate fealty to a president. Though intelligence officials have been loath to admit it ..., the cumulative result has been devastating.

It has also meant that those who remain in the community are acutely mindful of the risks of challenging Trump’s “alternative facts,” ...

Trump was accustomed to cutting deals and sharing gossip ... often loudly. He enjoyed being around billionaires, to whom he would “show off about some of the stuff he thought was cool - the capabilities of different weapons systems,” one former senior administration official recalled. “These were super rich guys who wouldn’t give him the time of day before he became president. He’d use that stuff as currency he had that they didn’t, not understanding the implications.”

Some of Trump’s intelligence advisers feared that his carelessness would inevitably get him in trouble when dealing one on one with cannier foreign leaders. “When you’re a president, any slip can be used,” one former national-security aide said.

A former senior administration official said they, “were stunned and miffed that he had no real interest in the President's Daily Briefing ... “He kind of likes the military details but just doesn’t read briefing materials. They’d put all this time and effort into these briefing papers, and he’d literally throw it aside.”

“Anyone who’s ever briefed him wouldn’t get more than three or four minutes into it, and then the president would go off on tangents.” Such tangents, a former intelligence briefer said, would include Trump’s standing in the polls, Hillary Clinton’s email server and the prospect of holding a military parade ....

And so what we have here is a man who has selfishly politicized and wrecked our national security agencies, is more concerned with people agreeing with him and giving him information he wants to hear, and really couldn't give a rosey rat's pattootie about the larger implications. And yes, I do question you when you try to give me 'facts' about Trump's book-reading ability, when he can't even read his daily briefings, nor listen to someone for more than a few minutes before going off on a tangent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/magazine/us-russia-intelligence.html

Further, in May on Mother's Day – when tens of millions of Americans were concerned about their families, and especially about their elderly, at-risk parents, Trump spoke to the nation and instead of trying to heal divides and bring people together, he gave us Obamagate! (again, without facts). And that day he made 130+ tweets, again with no focus, often attacking others, and praising himself.

And this is a man that you claim reads and cares about our nation? I find that is simply in the realm of SciFi, or some sort of nonsense I'd read about on Q-anon.

And finally, I just listened again to Trump's Axios Interview on HBO.

By my count, in the 35-minute interview we got:

25 – the number of times Trump praised himself:

5 – the number of times he said he did what others told him he shouldn't (and of course it worked out!)

12 - outright lies

10 – number of times he evaded the question, including utterly failing to understand the different between a hard number and a figure that's a percentage of our nation's population - which he just thinks is more fake news!

13 – how many times he blamed others: Obama, China, BLM, the Dems ... but not surprisingly, he did not once blame Russia, even when faced with the fact that they have been supplying arms and money to the Taliban to fight us.

8 – number of times he mentioned fake news.

Among his 'colorful' statements:

* That he reads a lot, and he comprehends better than anyone the interviewer has interviewed in a long time!

* That he has done more for Black Americans than anyone since Abraham Lincoln.

* That the main thing he could remember or say about John Lewis is that he didn't attend Trump's inauguration.

* that he really had 12,000 people at his Tulsa rally, not the mere 6,000 that the fake news media reported; and that his supporters had to walk past 100 BLM protesters! (I'm not sure what he was implying here: either that these 100 people were responsible for keeping thousands of his people away from the rally, or that despite their presence, his fans bravely showed up anyway – or maybe both?)

But at least he didn't once again tell us how taking a cognitive test makes him a 'stable genius! And LL, I'm pretty sure all of this is lost on you.

 

[Lavalamp]

Well - one thing at a time..
You can say you can't find the original story on the Xinhua PRC Communist Chinese News site now, 9 years later, but that hardly "debunks" the story or proves it is false. It has been reported that according to the Bowen Press ( a Chinese language site) , because Trump included books banned in the PRC in his list, the Xinhua interview was taken down.

Trump’s Chinese Booklist

Donald Trump's recent telephone conversation with Taiwan's President Tzai Ingwen aroused considerable concern regarding the One-China policy. Many believe that he

thevisiontimes.org

And Trump's naming of 20 China books was in 2011 and was widely reported at the time - and since - by multiple mainstream newspaper and media outlets that all have fact checking requirements before publication
Peter Navarro really has zero to do with it, except having read the same widely reported story. Nice smear though.
Examples of the story being widely reported and one would assume fact checked before publication by the LA Times and others in 2011 -

Opinion: Donald Trump has read a lot of books on China: 'I understand the Chinese mind'

This article was originally on a blog post platform and may be missing photos, graphics or links.

latimesblogs.latimes.com

I Understand China: Donald Trump

Donald Trump claims that he has read “hundreds” of books about China and is an expert on the country’s culture, economy and its relationship with the U.S.

www.ibtimes.com

Trump's Twenty Best China Books (29 books)

29 books based on 24 votes: Mao: the unknown story by Jung Chang, Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the Tactics Behind China's Production Gam...

www.goodreads.com

Thorn Tree is coming to an end - Lonely Planet

Thorn Tree is coming to an end

www.lonelyplanet.com

Even the Washington Post, when attacking President Trump in 2017, says he DID name 20 books in an interview with Xinhua. They just say he wanted to do more business with them, so he lied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/04/14/daily-202-trump-doesn-t-know-much-about-history-it-s-making-his-on-the-job-training-harder/58f06ba2e9b69b3a72331e84/

So no. Nobody really "debunked" anything. Totally biased fake news.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

Speaking of "Fake News" - No Trump did not call the KKK "Very fine people" in Charlottesville. No Trump did not mock a reporter's disability. No, you have been Hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led astray. Run amok.
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Sharyl Attkisson.
"Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List." (143 of them.)
"We the media have "fact-checked" President Trump like we have fact-checked no other human being on the planet, and he's certainly given us plenty to write about....
But as self-appointed arbiters of truth, we've largely excused our own unprecedented string of fact-challenged reporting....
Our repeat mistakes involve declaring that Trump's claims are "lies" when they are matters of opinion, or when the truth between conflicting sources is unknowable; taking Trump's statements and events out of context; reporting secondhand accounts against Trump without attribution as if they're established fact; relying on untruthful, conflicted sources; and presenting reporter opinions in news stories,without labeling them as opinions."

Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List | Sharyl Attkisson

sharylattkisson.com