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I asked

Will I go to her house on this specific trip out there?

And received hexagram 1.1.3.4.6 changing to hexagram 29


I can't at the moment go into much detail about the background of this reading, except that my peace of mind is somewhat linked with my understanding of this answer. Not too put too much pressure on the Yi, or anyone reading this, because life will unfold as it will... but I am very hopeful that I can understand this reading. An old friend of mine lives in a town I visit once in a while, and we're not speaking but I'd like to visit her house to get something she has of mine back that she would never give to me if I asked. The Iching has advised me to 15.5 attack with force, nothing that would not further as long as I do it modestly. There's also been a lot of hexagram 36 involved in the situation as well, which is why I can't just go and ask her for it, I've got to get in there and take it. The thing is, I don't want to go through the unpleasantness of interacting with her this trip if I can't get to her house to get what belongs to me. I know I can eventually get it one day, but if I can't get it this trip I'd like to enjoy the trip in peace.

My interpretation of hexagram 1 is potential creative energy. An idea that needs a direction.

There are four changing lines and none of the four seem to indicate the realization of this potential. Line 1, hidden dragon, do not act. Line 3, the superior man is vigilant all day, no blame, line 4, an idea is looking to manifest but the time is not ripe, line 6, misfortune because the dragon exceeded it's own limits.

Now this is where it starts to get complicated to me.

There are many who say 4 changing lines means to use the alfred huang method of consulting the top non changing line, which in this case is 5 and is very auspicious.

Blofeld: The dragon wings across the sky; it is advantageous to visit a great man.

That said, some, like willowfox (who I try to emulate because her interpretations are on point) often read the four lines sequentially, in that case, it is NOT looking good in terms of this plan of meeting with my old friend at her house as the time is not yet ripe according to that interpretation.

I've also read that the more changing the lines, the more you should look to the second hexagram, which in this case is 29, abyss on abyss. I have indeed gone through the emotions with this old friend over and over as well as in this situation trying to get the thing that belongs to me that I want very much. I would very much like to avoid going through it any more. The judgement for 29 is:

Water doubled. Danger. Sincerity leads to success (peacefulness) in your heart and mind. You will succeed in your actions.

So in order to get another take on the reading I looked at, for the first time, the change patterns according to what I've read here on the forum. I believe the yin pattern is 29, as the original hexagram was 1, and the yang pattern is 30, clarity. I think, if I understand.... the yang is how you got to the reading and the yin is how to get out of it? I'm a little lost, in regard to the change patterns if anyone has any advice about that.

In summary, I really am not sure how to look at this reading, although by just looking at the judgements I think it could indeed work out in my favor.... I suppose I should at least try. But I would love any insight into this reading or the methods I have taken to understand it. Thank you so much, Pearl.
 

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I thought I would also include other readings I had on the subject, which I asked shortly after. Perhaps they will help clarify.

Will I go to her house on Sunday? Hex 7 unchanging

Am I right that I will be able to carry this through this time out there? hex 56.3 > 35

I will literally be the traveler, 56, and the context of the question was meeting (35), but line three looks like, well, pretty terrible really. The only thing that makes me hopeful about it is that I read on the forum that this line means make a decision and stick to it, and at this point I was vascilating about whether to try or not.

On this thread about 56.3 I read Sooo say : "It sounds to me as though you're looking at this decision as a lawsuit or judgment of a sort. Maybe if you don't worry about it but just keep moving ahead this will sort itself out naturally?" and Trojina (not rosada, haha, as I messed that up last time) said " That's a good point. Not agonising over this too much...no lawsuits, keep moving..."

you know, even if nobody responds to this thread, I just want to say that after having typed all this out, I really went through a change in my fear and anxiety based relation to these readings. I don't know if it's going to work out, I really don't, perhaps it will take more time. But I'm going to try! I'm going to try like hell to get what I need, because it's the right thing to do. And I will update this thread in a week or so when I get back home.
 

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Well it will be very useful for us to know how things evolve, Pearl. that is, did the 4 lines manifest or the single 1.5.?

Just a bit of advice, I think there are more productive ways to phrase a question. "Will I..." is a yes or no question and there are no yes or no answers. If I were you I'd rephrase the question, "What would happen if I were to..."

But anyway, to try to interpret an answer from your hexagrams, I think 1.1.3.4.6 - 29 is warning what you are trying to do is 29. Dangerous, particularly because you 1.1 don't know what you are stepping into, and although you may have 1.3 thought things over, you are still very much 1.4 on your own here, and may be 1.6 assuming you can do something beyond the possibilities. So if pressed to give an answer I would say the I Ching is saying No, you wont do it, or at least warning you it wont go well. But I suppose you could also read these lines as guidance as to how you could go forward with your plan: 1.1 Be cautious, 1.3 Watch the house night and day (to know your friend's habits), 1.4 Go forward but be careful, 1.6 and of course don't do anything more than pick up your belongings. Even so it's a 29.Scary operation.

rosada
 

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I think you are trying to force the issue (h7, 56.3, 1.6 ) and it won't be comfortable.
1.1 advises to keep still.

Here is the uncompressed view of the casting:
1 - 29.png

Wilhelm:
1.1 Hidden dragon. Do not act.

44.3 There is no skin on his thighs, and walking comes hard.
If one is mindful of the danger, no great mistake is made.


6.4 One cannot engage in conflict. One turns back and submits to fate,
Changes one's attitude, and finds peace in perseverance.
Good fortune.


59.6 He dissolves his blood. Departing, keeping at a distance, going out, is without blame.

Do you see what Yi is telling you?
Doesn't look good, just forget it. Do you really need that stuff?
 
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Hi Pearl,

Very interesting that you took all these methods into account.
In my own experience, 4 lines mean something happens real quick, then the resulting happens.

I agree more or less with rosada and ashteroid:

An initiative you take (1) is fraught with the same old danger (29).
You have waited (1.1), you are correctly worried (1.3), you'll go there (1.5), but it will end badly.

Will I go to her house on Sunday? Hex 7 unchanging
As you said yourself, you're planning to do exactly that, so yes, you're going because you're decided.

Am I right that I will be able to carry this through this time out there? hex 56.3 > 35

I believe not... according to this line, and to line 1.6, your friend will consider you as arrogant.

That's how it sounds to me, and I hope I'm wrong!
Please do update us on how it went, and fingers crossed for you.

A last minute idea - maybe ask "what attitude of mine can result in me getting back this item?".
 

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Thank you Rosada and Ashteroid, I am seriously considering the points you've made. Perhaps it is a bad idea, I need to think about it more. Sometimes when I ask the Iching it seems that if I question it too much about the same thing it starts to give conflicting information, or maybe I just don't understand, you know. But at first when I asked the oracle about going ahead with this plan it said 15.5, favorable to modestly attack with force, nothing that does not further. I have been asking many questions about this situation though, I think that is a pitfall of mine. I looked into 15.5 and it really seemed to fit with the situation. As far as what I'm going in to get, it is important, and it will change everything. If I can successfully do this, I will tell you all what it was. I'm not planning on waiting outside of her house, though..... that I'm pretty sure would be illegal. I would also never do anything like that, it seems just wrong. What I'd like to is to be invited over, as we are old friends but not on good terms at the moment. But once I have what I need, even if she sees me with it, it doesn't matter. That said, I think I am still going to try to do this but be very, very careful. A bit of charm offensive. Not my style, but perhaps necessary. And I promise to update everyone on what happens, success or otherwise!

Also Diamanda, thank you as well, And I did ask the Yi 'what attitude can I take to get this?'

and received hexagram 34 unchanging

"Great Power necessitates firm correctness. Perseverance furthers."

My understanding is to make myself available and follow the rules, and stand my ground. I will be updating this thread within a week to let you all know what happens! and thanks again
 

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Oh so you're asking about going to visit her. Good - I was thinking you were plotting to slip in when she was gone, grab your stuff and go. You can see how my mind works!

btw, You might get value from going over to Exploring Divination and reading about hex 34 with no change lines.
 

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Thank you Rosada, lol. And I'd like to mention that I almost always consult the unchanging threads and the memorizing threads for my readings, They have been such a wealth of information for me as I've learned a lot from them. I also contributed a little, in a story about hexagram 18 uc... which I hope to more in the future! So yeah I'll have another look, thank you!
 

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Dear Pearlescent,

I had a whole :eek: :eek: post typed out, and then saw your latest. [Edited: I mean post #6. #8 is more crossposting.]

GOOD. You are not planning a house burglary. I envisioned you in jail. "Charm offensive" seems like a better/safer option (comparatively speaking - I'm not claiming Yi promised success with it).

I'm glad you asked the 34uc question. Another logical one to ask might be, ""How can I get my belonging back from X?" although the 34uc might cover that base. I agree with Rosada - read the 34 unchanging thread. And - you said your friend wouldn't give you your belonging if you simply asked. Simply asking might be a 34-ish, upright, confident thing to do, maybe? But there are several possible meanings, and unchanging hexagrams can be hard to understand (at least for me).

About 56.3:

The only thing that makes me hopeful about it is that I read on the forum that this line means make a decision and stick to it...

I know what you're referring to, but I don't think you have the whole idea. The line can be about burning bridges, ruining a good thing, etc. (I've had it once or twice when I've let myself get all upset on my day off, thus ruining my chance to rest).

What your quote refers to are situations where burning bridges might be the most constructive option. If you burn a bridge, you can't turn around and go back over it again - it's a very final thing to do. If what's on the hind side of the bridge is bad for you, it might be good if you make it impossible to go back to it, so that you have no choice but to stick to your decision.

So what you have to think about for your particular case is what bridge you might be burning, what the consequences of that might be, and what it would be like for you if that happened. But I suspect most of the time, burning bridges is not ideal.

A small rant/suggestion. It's really not reasonable to post a thread here, and expect a reply so quickly before you leave for a week (not that it never happens). It may be that your day got a bit hectic, and you didn't really intend to do it that way. I'm glad you saw the cautionary posts before you actually left.

I hope you're successful. Please be careful and cautious. None of us want this to end up any worse (e.g. with your belonging even more inaccessible to you).
 
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Thank you Lisa for further explaining 56.3, I do believe that I understand that line better now, you gave a perfect example.
I know that none of you know me and I just want to reiterate that I would never sneak into someone's house or wait outside and watch them to get something from inside, mine or not. I know I wasn't very clear about that, so it's understandable that one could draw that conclusion. I admit Im a little sad that Im picking up the vibe that anyone would think I would engage in behavior like that and end up in jail. I am not planning on doing anything illegal or disrespectful at all, and I can assure you if I was I would not post it on a public forum of any kind, regardless of how nice you all seem here. I just want to say I do appreciate your responses, and that I love this forum and all the personalities and various untapped wells of knowledge therein. And when I post a question, I don't expect a reply at all, and especially not by any time frame, as I do understand that everyone replies entirely based on choice to the best of their knowledge at any given time and I respect that. Thank you all again for your insight into these castings, and please understand that I do take them seriously and appreciate them.
 

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:hug:

Yes, it probably was a bit outlandish to think you'd plot a burglary here on Clarity. It's just you sounded so...is desperate the right word? determined? in your first post.

About my little rant :blush: ...I was 95% sincerely invested in your problem, and only about 5% annoyed. Once I saw you came back, I shouldn't have said that at all, sorry. Again, it's just that you posted the thread, and then less than 30 minutes later you posted again, at the end saying you were leaving for a week, and that your anxiety about "trying like hell" had been reduced merely by writing about it. And remember at this point we didn't know what you were planning to do! I just felt (then, before you came back and explained) that we were all saying, "Noooo....wait...." to a departed ghost. Hence my slight miffedness. I should have just let it go when it turned out differently, sorry.

I really hope you get your thing back, and that nothing more goes wrong.
 

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Well now Im back and I feel I understand what the Yi might have been saying. In the question I posted, I was asking if during this trip out I would have a chance to collect what I had hoped. I originally asked the Yi about going through with this the plan twice before to which it did respond 19.4.5 and then later 15.5 about this exact move I was contemplating, which was not to hide outside of her house or disrespect her, but to turn an unfortunate situation to my advantage in a friendly way. Unfortunately I see that my anxiety translated through further questioning, as well as trying to make it all happen when I wanted it to. the Yi may have been addressing my desire to sort of force things to happen within a certain time frame, as the question I posted was in reference to the timing, not about whether to do it in the first place. I decided not to contact her, although I believe if I am given the opportunity I will take it to set things right. And if it never happens, that's ok. Ive let it go. Thanks for the considerate responses!
 

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Thank you for letting us know, Pearlescent. I really do hope it works out for you eventually and you get your belonging back. :hug:
 

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