Very strange situation : Would be grateful for interpretive help

[foxx777]

I am in a strange situation which is tormenting me:

In any case:

Sibling has done awful and illegal things in the past, but was able to fly under the radar, and is now married to a wealthy man, has a small son, travels, dines, shops, etc. - and is happy (happy, but NOT nice: If anything, her ill-gotten gains and lack of paying her dues has made her more haughty, back-biting, gossiping, and meddlesome than ever).

Cousin, (spent part of her childhood and adolescence living with us) who is much nicer and truer, but still neurotic and messed up, was fired 6 months ago from her career-position, and the company decided not to press charges over a matter that was border-line illegal.

Now, months later , the police have opened an investigation out of the blue. Judging from years and years of experience with sibling's machinations and tricks and cunning, (making calls is her specialty) and from all her gossip and fury that cousin "got off too easy", I am 98% certain she phoned in an anonymous tip.

If I say anything, she will deny it and no one will believe me.
But I find this vile, and want it to come back on her.
Cousin may need to pay her dues, but sibling needs to far, far moreso.

I ask the Yi Jing, "Will it somehow come out, and come back on her?" (hard to imagine, with an anonymous tip) and get:

36.1.2.>46

OK, gives me some hope for my cousin, but where is justice with sibling????? She NEVER pays her dues; she always hurts others with impunity. What is the oracle saying? That I should just chill out, and think it A-OK that sibling will yet again hurt others, gloat, and go her merry way?????

 

[taoscopy]

Your cousin is represented by line 1, you are represented by line 2, the advice is to provide assistance to your cousin. Don't bother about evil people.

36 - Adversity

One isolates themself to correct the situation.

1 - One loses their ability to act, but is protected. One accepts the constraints and goes through uncertain times, stressful for their friends.

2 - Receiving a wound which will encourage to offer support.
In the making
46 - Taking form

One is guided until they reach knowledge.
http://taoscopy.com/en/consultation/967888/

 

[Tim K]

Please don't hold any anger towards your sibling, don't judge (One of the commandments).
She can be helping many many people around her to be more nice, by showing them example of bad behaviour. She maybe helping them to negate any left-over karma, any negativity that they have brought upon her in previous lives, that's a pay-back.

I think the reading is just an advice for you:
36.1 Richmond:
Motivated parts of our identity, the people, do not like the situation, but the wide view is that one must go with the cycle and experience all its aspects.

Allow this to happen, yes think it's A-OK.
36.2 Not your place to judge, she maybe under influence of dark emotions and ideas, but the horse will come and save her.

46 Ascend, grow, learn this lesson. You can't possibly see the whole picture, all the karmic links, all the intricacies of the universe.

I'm glad that my grandmas have shown me what bad food can do to the body. I'm glad for that negative example, now I'm taking better care of myself.

 

[foxx777]

Your cousin is represented by line 1, you are represented by line 2, the advice is to provide assistance to your cousin. Don't bother about evil people.

Thank you for this! I will try and view it this way, which is reasonable. Again, thanks for your help.

 

[foxx777]

Please don't hold any anger towards your sibling, don't judge (One of the commandments).
She can be helping many many people around her to be more nice, by showing them example of bad behaviour. She maybe helping them to negate any left-over karma, any negativity that they have brought upon her in previous lives, that's a pay-back.

I think the reading is just an advice for you:
36.1 Richmond:
Motivated parts of our identity, the people, do not like the situation, but the wide view is that one must go with the cycle and experience all its aspects.

Allow this to happen, yes think it's A-OK.
36.2 Not your place to judge, she maybe under influence of dark emotions and ideas, but the horse will come and save her.

46 Ascend, grow, learn this lesson. You can't possibly see the whole picture, all the karmic links, all the intricacies of the universe.

I'm glad that my grandmas have shown me what bad food can do to the body. I'm glad for that negative example, now I'm taking better care of myself.

Thank you for this perspective (very counter to my usual one). Yes, I do harbor anger, and very likely need to change my perspective. Your words certainly grant me a wider and perhaps more virtuous purview!:bows:

 

[mulberry]

Hmm, you asked a bit of a twisted question. It goes in a big circle and doesn't really allow for proper interpretation because you come at it with a presumption of guilt regarding your sister that you actually have no proof about. If Yi is answering directly what you asked, and the lines in 36 are both about your sister (which I tend to think they are), then I think it's a no-- she skates on thin ice but it doesn't break. Line 1, people speak ill of her (like you are) but ultimately it doesn't harm her. Line 2, she's affected in some way but makes it through fine ("but the injury is not fatal; it is only a hindrance."). And it all changes to 46, she continues on her way upwards basically unchanged and unaffected. Nothing about what she possibly did comes back to haunt her.

I know both taoscopy and ashteroid chose to read it from other perspectives (taoscopy considering that it might also be a reading about the cousin, ashteroid thinking it is advice for you independently of them). But I'm taking it exactly as you asked and assuming Yi is talking about your sister only, since you only addressed the sister in the question.

I think a healthier set of questions would leave your sister out of it, and ask about how you can help your cousin-- that is, if she's worthy of help; "borderline illegal" means what exactly? I ask that rhetorically, not that you have to answer it here.

And as for your relationship with your sister, you can ask "How can I protect myself from my sister" or something like that... you probably know this already. But properly formulating the question itself is just as important as the ultimate reading I think. Or at least, one depends on the other.

 

[foxx777]

Hmm, you asked a bit of a twisted question. It goes in a big circle and doesn't really allow for proper interpretation because you come at it with a presumption of guilt regarding your sister that you actually have no proof about. If Yi is answering directly what you asked, and the lines in 36 are both about your sister (which I tend to think they are), then I think it's a no-- she skates on thin ice but it doesn't break. Line 1, people speak ill of her (like you are) but ultimately it doesn't harm her. Line 2, she's affected in some way but makes it through fine ("but the injury is not fatal; it is only a hindrance."). And it all changes to 46, she continues on her way upwards basically unchanged and unaffected. Nothing about what she possibly did comes back to haunt her.

I know both taoscopy and ashteroid chose to read it from other perspectives (taoscopy considering that it might also be a reading about the cousin, ashteroid thinking it is advice for you independently of them). But I'm taking it exactly as you asked and assuming Yi is talking about your sister only, since you only addressed the sister in the question.

I think a healthier set of questions would leave your sister out of it, and ask about how you can help your cousin-- that is, if she's worthy of help; "borderline illegal" means what exactly? I ask that rhetorically, not that you have to answer it here.

And as for your relationship with your sister, you can ask "How can I protect myself from my sister" or something like that... you probably know this already. But properly formulating the question itself is just as important as the ultimate reading I think. Or at least, one depends on the other.

Thank you. I understand what you're saying.

In defense of my original position (with the question) keep in mind that this sister has been a terrible meddler and trouble-maker: This is not just bitterness, she has wreaked havoc in our family at the same time she was negligent, criminal, in many areas, some quite, quite serious etc. - all the while judging others; slandering and back-stabbing like a malignant narcissist. It boggles the mind).

In other words, her track record of trying to cause other people serious pain, harm, and trouble while she herself lived outrageously with impunity is itself a kind of evidence; a very strong kind - and it would be justice if by now trying to hurt our cousin she got caught in her own trap. Sorry, but it's the truth.

That said, if lines 1 and 2 are about her, then I guess she should count herself lucky indeed that she escaped all the dozens and dozens of times that her lies and meddling truly hurt others, and her bad faith went wholly unpunished by karma, police, and family. One wonders why those of us she cruelly slandered and hurt in the past did not have such lucky outcomes as suggested by lines 1 and 2 , changing to 46.

My cousin had a brief affair with an adult she was counseling (border-line illegal)---sibling did far, far worse for many years, with impunity - yet she is "outraged" that cousin "only lost her job". Yes, I think she called. And if she didn't , in any case she is gloating now. If I sound bitter, it's from too many decades of this crazy family.

Thank you for your comments......


I actually just asked the Yi Jing, "Is my attitude toward sister wrong?" and received
59.3.4 >44, but am too upset to figure it out. Likely telling me to get rid of my anger and do what is helpful, which I indeed shall try to do......:bows:

 

[mulberry]

I'm sorry she's caused so much grief to you and your family. It's terrible having someone like that disrupting and damaging what should be a supportive kinship. I'm sorry for any harshness in my earlier post, I didn't mean it that way-- the reading just seems to make it clear she won't suffer for this particular action. Unfortunately.

I think the most recent reading is helpful. She's pretty clearly 44, but also you are coming to meet her yourself by allowing yourself to have your feelings so hijacked by her behavior-- so there's a bit of you contributing to her 44-ness. I know injustice is maddening but it is not always so good for one's health and wellbeing to feel so attached to things being made right, when they're out of your control. 59 is a gentle reminder that dissolving your anger would be beneficial. Lines 3 and 4 seem to be encouraging you to be less attached to outcomes and perhaps even to individuals-- line 4 especially suggests that it would be beneficial to rise "above party interests" and "leave private friendships" out of things. I think that means you shouldn't be focused so much on what is happening between your cousin and your sister; Yi's saying, gently, it doesn't concern you. There's a lot to mull over in the reading. It does suggest softening your stance, though not by actually engaging with her. Maybe just not giving her so much energy and angry. I wish you lots of luck!

 

[diamanda]

Will it somehow come out, and come back on her?
36.1.2.>46
36.1 - Someone wounded while fleeing - your cousin. She goes without food (work) for a short time.
36.2 - She will be rescued, the wound is not fatal.
46 - She will get over it.
Hidden line 15.2, modest words.
This whole thing will have no effect on your sister.

Is my attitude toward sister wrong? and received
59.3.4 >44
59.3 - you are trying to not be egoistic/egocentric
59.4 - you're trying to stay away from her
44 - but she's still dangerous and you need to stop her
Hidden line 57.4, she's still playing lots of games and she's got it in for you.
So the wrong thing here would be to try to be selfless and forgiving. She's dangerous.

Search online for narcissistic disorder, she sounds to have that exactly.
Which is actually a modern-day euphemism for nasty/evil/heartless. Yes there are such people...

 

[foxx777]

I'm sorry she's caused so much grief to you and your family. It's terrible having someone like that disrupting and damaging what should be a supportive kinship. I'm sorry for any harshness in my earlier post, I didn't mean it that way-- the reading just seems to make it clear she won't suffer for this particular action. Unfortunately.

I think the most recent reading is helpful. She's pretty clearly 44, but also you are coming to meet her yourself by allowing yourself to have your feelings so hijacked by her behavior-- so there's a bit of you contributing to her 44-ness. I know injustice is maddening but it is not always so good for one's health and wellbeing to feel so attached to things being made right, when they're out of your control. 59 is a gentle reminder that dissolving your anger would be beneficial. Lines 3 and 4 seem to be encouraging you to be less attached to outcomes and perhaps even to individuals-- line 4 especially suggests that it would be beneficial to rise "above party interests" and "leave private friendships" out of things. I think that means you shouldn't be focused so much on what is happening between your cousin and your sister; Yi's saying, gently, it doesn't concern you. There's a lot to mull over in the reading. It does suggest softening your stance, though not by actually engaging with her. Maybe just not giving her so much energy and angry. I wish you lots of luck!

Thank you very much. I indeed grasp your meaning --- It's truly most appreciated. :bows:

 

[foxx777]

Will it somehow come out, and come back on her?
36.1.2.>46
36.1 - Someone wounded while fleeing - your cousin. She goes without food (work) for a short time.
36.2 - She will be rescued, the wound is not fatal.
46 - She will get over it.
Hidden line 15.2, modest words.
This whole thing will have no effect on your sister.

Is my attitude toward sister wrong? and received
59.3.4 >44
59.3 - you are trying to not be egoistic/egocentric
59.4 - you're trying to stay away from her
44 - but she's still dangerous and you need to stop her
Hidden line 57.4, she's still playing lots of games and she's got it in for you.
So the wrong thing here would be to try to be selfless and forgiving. She's dangerous.

Search online for narcissistic disorder, she sounds to have that exactly.
Which is actually a modern-day euphemism for nasty/evil/heartless. Yes there are such people...

Thank you---yes, I actually had to do an online search about her some 7 years ago, and came upon a blog written by a woman whose mother and sister were Malignant Narcissists who had been scapegoating and tormenting her for years. I agree with your interpretation, and again, I thank you for it.

 

[diamanda]

I know injustice is maddening but it is not always so good for one's health and wellbeing to feel so attached to things being made right, when they're out of your control.

Mulberry we crossed posts - so much agree with you here.
The moment we realise we can never count on justice (as it's so rare) is a blessed moment.

 

[diamanda]

Foxx777 - very sorry to hear what you're going through. I've had my fair share of this type of people and family too, it's very soul destroying...

 

[foxx777]

Mulberry we crossed posts - so much agree with you here.
The moment we realise we can never count on justice (as it's so rare) is a blessed moment.

I need to learn this, badly. I have worn myself out the past 2 decades praying and hoping and waiting and fretting for justice with regard to her: It never comes.

By the way, I recall "hidden lines" from my past I Ching studies, but no longer recall exactly how you find them?

 

[foxx777]

Foxx777 - very sorry to hear what you're going through. I've had my fair share of this type of people and family too, it's very soul destroying...

Thank you for your kind words: They are a help. xx

 

[diamanda]

Foxx777, I really know first-hand how you feel.
You somehow need to stop letting her consuming you and undermining you.
To do that, you first need to read lots and understand the truth about 'narcissists',
and second to truly distance yourself from her.

The battle between good and evil is a very ancient one, and will never be eliminated.
The good always seeks justice.
The good also always seeks where "the fault within oneself lies".
Most importantly, the good foolishly thinks that the evil ones are similar in
humanity/self-search levels.

But, look around. For sure you've heard stories of powerful men (<usually) who
abuse many others, and yet never get punished. It does happen.

As a (small) consolation, I can tell you for a fact that narcissists never feel happy.
They never feel the whole-hearted joy of, for example, the beauty of the way rays
of light make an interesting pattern through green summer leaves. They never feel
LOVE, which is one of the greatest joys. And, nobody truly likes them.

Ok to more practical matters!
Hidden lines - (some people call them transitional) - as an example:

36.1.2.>46
Hidden line 15.2.
If only line 36.1 was changing, the result would be hexagram 15.
But because we've also got the 2nd line changing, we then look at 15.2.
Which also leads to 46.
I'm certain I'm not explaining this properly... but experiment a bit and you'll see what I mean.
Btw this only works when 2 or 3 lines change - in my experience it doesn't work for more lines.

Furthermore, if you want you can read this very thorough website on narcissism, and maybe look at this narcissistic forum to see what narcissists, and their nearest, have to say about it all. There's many more good links, these are just two examples.

 

[foxx777]

Foxx777, I really know first-hand how you feel.
You somehow need to stop letting her consuming you and undermining you.
To do that, you first need to read lots and understand the truth about 'narcissists',
and second to truly distance yourself from her.

The battle between good and evil is a very ancient one, and will never be eliminated.
The good always seeks justice.
The good also always seeks where "the fault within oneself lies".
Most importantly, the good foolishly thinks that the evil ones are similar in
humanity/self-search levels.

But, look around. For sure you've heard stories of powerful men (<usually) who
abuse many others, and yet never get punished. It does happen.

As a (small) consolation, I can tell you for a fact that narcissists never feel happy.
They never feel the whole-hearted joy of, for example, the beauty of the way rays
of light make an interesting pattern through green summer leaves. They never feel
LOVE, which is one of the greatest joys. And, nobody truly likes them.

Ok to more practical matters!
Hidden lines - (some people call them transitional) - as an example:

36.1.2.>46
Hidden line 15.2.
If only line 36.1 was changing, the result would be hexagram 15.
But because we've also got the 2nd line changing, we then look at 15.2.
Which also leads to 46.
I'm certain I'm not explaining this properly... but experiment a bit and you'll see what I mean.
Btw this only works when 2 or 3 lines change - in my experience it doesn't work for more lines.

Furthermore, if you want you can read this very thorough website on narcissism, and maybe look at this narcissistic forum to see what narcissists, and their nearest, have to say about it all. There's many more good links, these are just two examples.

Thank you SO much for all of that! I will certainly look at those links, and I do now recall the hidden lines formula. I believe it is based on fining the "nuclear" hexagrams with lines 2.3.4 and 3.4.5 .

http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2006/10/05/nuclear-hexagrams-why-bother/

Bless you xx

 

[Tim K]

Here is the fragment that I thought of, while writing the answer.

Dolores Cannon - The Convoluted Universe 2, pp 507-510.
Dialogue under hypnosis, Dolores (D) and Client(C).

D: Why did she have to struggle?
C: (She finally calmed down enough to be understood.) Ah! She took the hard
road. She always, always took the hard road.

D: But she chose that, didn’t she?
C: Yes, she did. She made it so hard. (Sobs) She didn’t know any other way.
She thought that was the only way. It was difficult for her, but she made it
very hard for other people too. She didn’t see that. She only saw her own
pain. She didn’t see what pain she caused other people. She caused her
mother so much pain. She caused people in her life – Stephen, that she grew
up with. They were kids together. And then they were sweethearts. And she
dumped him, and she caused him so much pain. She was selfish. She just
cared about herself. (A big sigh. At least the crying had stopped.)

D: She didn’t care that she was hurting other people?
C: No. She did it to make herself feel good. She was selfish. Lucinda was very
selfish. She wanted to go home, because she realized that she wasn’t getting
it. She thought this was a waste of time.
D: Being in a body, you mean, in a life? (Yes)

...

To our rational minds it appeared that she had created karma by hurting the
young man, Stephen. But from the other side, the entire picture is available, and it
became evident that there was much more to the situation. Stephen had created
extreme negative karma in the other life by having her beheaded. So, it was
supreme justice that she hurt him in the present lifetime. At least the payback was
not as drastic as the cause.

D: She also hurt her mother very badly too, didn’t she?
C: Yes. (Shocked) Oh! Her mother ... that was payback for karma in this life.
Her mother’s life. Her mother had been very one-eyed. And she behaved like
her children were perfect. She hurt so many people that way, by being so
dogmatic, and so judging. She thought her children were perfect. And it was
Lucinda’s job to show her that her children weren’t perfect.

D: Because Lucinda was definitely not perfect.
C: No. Oh, that was the balancing. A lesson for her mother. Teaching her mother
to be less judgmental. And less one-eyed. To open her up. And to help her to
see through another eye. Not those two eyes that she sees with physically, but
the other eye. (The third eye.)

D: So what appeared on the surface to have been creating a lot of negative
karma and picking a hard road, was actually for a reason. There was
more behind it. (Yes) There usually is, but we can’t see it when we’re
alive. (Yes)

 

[Tim K]

And this fragment can help to let the anger go away.

D.Cannon - The Three Waves of Volunteers
During my lectures I give the people an exercise that they can use to release karma. You can’t speak to the person face to face. That is too difficult to do. Besides, sometimes the person you are angry at has died and it is impossible to face them. You have to do it mentally. Remember that when you were on the spirit side you made a plan of what you hoped to accomplish in this life. You made contracts with various souls to play various parts in your scenario on Earth. Some of your greatest enemies or challenges during your life were your greatest friends on the spirit side. They volunteered to come and play the villain in your Earthly scenario. And some of them play their parts very well!

So picture the person in your mind standing in front of you. Say to them, “We tried. We really tried. It’s not working. I am tearing up the contract.” And see yourself tearing up the contract and throwing it away. Then say to them, “I forgive you. I release you. I let you go. You go your way with love, and I’ll go mine. We don’t have to be connected anymore.” And see it happening. The key here is that you have to really mean it. You have to believe it. Once you have done that they will have no power over you anymore. Then you have to forgive yourself. Remember, it always takes two people to create the situation. None of this is easy, but it is essential and imperative, if you want to get off the Wheel and ascend into the New Earth. It’s up to you!

 

[foxx777]

Here is the fragment that I thought of, while writing the answer.

Dolores Cannon - The Convoluted Universe 2, pp 507-510.
Dialogue under hypnosis, Dolores (D) and Client(C).

D: Why did she have to struggle?
C: (She finally calmed down enough to be understood.) Ah! She took the hard
road. She always, always took the hard road.

D: But she chose that, didn’t she?
C: Yes, she did. She made it so hard. (Sobs) She didn’t know any other way.
She thought that was the only way. It was difficult for her, but she made it
very hard for other people too. She didn’t see that. She only saw her own
pain. She didn’t see what pain she caused other people. She caused her
mother so much pain. She caused people in her life – Stephen, that she grew
up with. They were kids together. And then they were sweethearts. And she
dumped him, and she caused him so much pain. She was selfish. She just
cared about herself. (A big sigh. At least the crying had stopped.)

D: She didn’t care that she was hurting other people?
C: No. She did it to make herself feel good. She was selfish. Lucinda was very
selfish. She wanted to go home, because she realized that she wasn’t getting
it. She thought this was a waste of time.
D: Being in a body, you mean, in a life? (Yes)

...

To our rational minds it appeared that she had created karma by hurting the
young man, Stephen. But from the other side, the entire picture is available, and it
became evident that there was much more to the situation. Stephen had created
extreme negative karma in the other life by having her beheaded. So, it was
supreme justice that she hurt him in the present lifetime. At least the payback was
not as drastic as the cause.

D: She also hurt her mother very badly too, didn’t she?
C: Yes. (Shocked) Oh! Her mother ... that was payback for karma in this life.
Her mother’s life. Her mother had been very one-eyed. And she behaved like
her children were perfect. She hurt so many people that way, by being so
dogmatic, and so judging. She thought her children were perfect. And it was
Lucinda’s job to show her that her children weren’t perfect.

D: Because Lucinda was definitely not perfect.
C: No. Oh, that was the balancing. A lesson for her mother. Teaching her mother
to be less judgmental. And less one-eyed. To open her up. And to help her to
see through another eye. Not those two eyes that she sees with physically, but
the other eye. (The third eye.)

D: So what appeared on the surface to have been creating a lot of negative
karma and picking a hard road, was actually for a reason. There was
more behind it. (Yes) There usually is, but we can’t see it when we’re
alive. (Yes)

Thank you for all of the above---this is very interesting , and very worth pondering. It is inspiring. :bows:

 

[foxx777]

And this fragment can help to let the anger go away.

D.Cannon - The Three Waves of Volunteers
During my lectures I give the people an exercise that they can use to release karma. You can’t speak to the person face to face. That is too difficult to do. Besides, sometimes the person you are angry at has died and it is impossible to face them. You have to do it mentally. Remember that when you were on the spirit side you made a plan of what you hoped to accomplish in this life. You made contracts with various souls to play various parts in your scenario on Earth. Some of your greatest enemies or challenges during your life were your greatest friends on the spirit side. They volunteered to come and play the villain in your Earthly scenario. And some of them play their parts very well!

So picture the person in your mind standing in front of you. Say to them, “We tried. We really tried. It’s not working. I am tearing up the contract.” And see yourself tearing up the contract and throwing it away. Then say to them, “I forgive you. I release you. I let you go. You go your way with love, and I’ll go mine. We don’t have to be connected anymore.” And see it happening. The key here is that you have to really mean it. You have to believe it. Once you have done that they will have no power over you anymore. Then you have to forgive yourself. Remember, it always takes two people to create the situation. None of this is easy, but it is essential and imperative, if you want to get off the Wheel and ascend into the New Earth. It’s up to you!

Thank you for this also------very healing and illuminating perspective.

 

[pocossin]

Will it somehow come out?
36.1.2.>46

Concealment (36) leads to disclosure (46).

 

[foxx777]

Will it somehow come out?
36.1.2.>46

Concealment (36) leads to disclosure (46).

Now that is an interesting take on the matter, indeed........................thank you.