Vitamin B12 side affects Hex 8

[goddessliss]

The doc suggested I need to get a Vitamin B12 injection but I'm not so keen.

Please show me a pic of the side effects when recing a Vit B12 injection

Hex 8 unchanging

Please show me the benefits of getting a Vit B12 injection

Hex 54.2>51

thks Liss

 

[ginnie]

Liss, I don't think there are any side effects from taking Vitamin B12. The B vitamins don't usually have side effects. I think your hex 8 unchanging is letting you know that you might cooperate with your doctor to avoid becoming an island unto yourself. That is, ally yourself with your doctor. People say that when we ask a second question we often get confusing results, and your 54>51 certainly seems like a confusing result. I wouldn't give that much attention. I once had a course of vitamin B12 injections and all that happened was that they didn't help with the tiredness I was feeling.

 

[deusa]

Ginnie
You are right, if your doctor reccomended a shot of vit b12 you must have really low values, please do it!
It is really dangous to have low vit b12.

 

[WiteWidoW]

Maybe what you should be asking is why have you been adviced to get B12 in the first place? What is the cause of the deficiency? That is a more fruitful question and maybe what hex 8 is referring to? Your own intuition about what is up is quite often spot on. You know your body best.

I am a medical doctor myself, and I have come accross quite a few patients who knew what was wrong with them, if the doctor just managed to actually LISTEN instead of staring at the computer screen.

Anyway, if you have symptoms of fatigue, dry skin, dry hair, lethargy, tendency for blue color under the eyes, puffiness under the eyes, puffiness of the face, feeling cold, especially in the hands and feet, gaining weight easily and not losing easily (even though your diet is normal), the outer third of your eyebrows disappearing you could be suffering from hypothyroidism. For a complete list of symptoms just google hypothyroidism or even Dr David Brownstein for the complete info.

It is estimated that up to 75-90% of americans lack sufficient iodine in their diet and this is directly related to hypothyroidism. What is maddening is that this condition rarely shows up on the normal bloodtests of TSH levels we use to guide us in diagnosing this ailment so there are massive numbers of patients who are not getting correct treatment. Vitamin B12 is one of the additional supplements one often administers in conjunction with thyroid hormones.

Maybe get some iodine supplements as well? You can be pretty sure you lack iodine if you are eating a 'normal' diet. If you dont eat tonnes of seaweed and fish and organic vegetables everyday, chances are you are lacking in iodine. Also, interestingly, the amount of iodine one recommends for supplements is 100mcg which is ridiculously low. I have seen on ebay that 12,5 mg of iodine tablets are sold for 10 bucks. Worth a try? And maybe even look into natural thyroid hormone meds if you feel that the description above fits?

I dunno, I could be way off, but often we are so specialised we don't see the forest for the trees and miss out on the big picture.

 

[goddessliss]

Thank you for all your responses.
My intuition tells me I don't need it and the reason he suggested it is I can suffer from CFS due to suffering from Ross River and Glandular Fever in the past.
I eat a diet full of vegetables fish and chicken mainly free range/organic.

I would prefer to get a blood test first before I take anything. - Liss

 

[newlife123]

Vitamin B12 is a water soluble so it doesn't matter if you get too much of it in one does since you will urinate out what you don't need. It is great to get if you have stress, anxiety or insomnia. It helps your nerve fire right. I would get it.

 

[deusa]

Well, you should get a blood test before getting the shot. I am with you there. Totally.

Wite widow, seaweed have too much iodine. There are cases of hyperthiroidism related to seaweed comsumption (kombu as far as i recall) and it isn't by chance that hashimoto's disease is named afer a japanese (japanese eat tons of seaweed).

Having a shot of vit b12 can't harm one. But it is still a shot...

 

[meng]

I get the jitters and muscle tension from consuming heavy doses of B vitamins, it wakes me up, and can keep me awake if I take them later in the day. They can also irritate my stomach if not taken with some food and water. Those are all side effects.

 

[meng]

But, to Liss' reading, I see 8 as a binder, something that binds molecules together, though I haven't a clue if that's biologically founded.

 

[WiteWidoW]

Most people don't consume too much seaweed though, that is a rarity. Most people get too little iodine in their diet, causing hypothyroidism, even if you eat organic. Veggies today have much less mineral content than before, even the organic produce. In Japan the children are born with the highest average IQ in the world, and this is attributed to the high content of iodine in the mother's diet. WHO directly relates lack of iodine as the number one reason for preventable mental retardation today. Hashimoto is an autoimmune disease.

This doesn't show on a bloodtest, one can only go by clinical symptoms, and a medical exam, which most doctors don't do today. Most doctors just go after bloodtests and miss the bigger picture. If you have been diagnosed with CFS I would definitely look into it. A lot of cases of our 'new' diagnoses like CSF/ME are due to low thyroid function. This over dependency on blood tests and other tests has really brought us down the wrong track where doctors use less and less of their clinical expertise and intuition in favour of testing. I have myself given thyroid hormone to patients with completely normal TSH levels, and they became much better. So I alwys preach that clinical symptoms and medical exams should be number 1, testing is more of a useful tool but shouldn't dictate how we treat our patients.

When it is estimated through quite large studies that 75-90% of americans are low in iodine, it is worth considering.

 

[goddessliss]

I get the jitters and muscle tension from consuming heavy doses of B vitamins, it wakes me up, and can keep me awake if I take them later in the day. They can also irritate my stomach if not taken with some food and water. Those are all side effects.

So there you go, it is possible to get side effects. I've done some research on the net although I know you can't believe everything you read but hearing this first hand helps.

I'm sorta against vaccinations and this sort of thing so this is why I'm terribly apprehensive because noone can give you 100% guarantee it is right for me and I won't have contraindications.

 

[WiteWidoW]

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/03/18/have-you-tested-your-b12/

 

[WiteWidoW]

Well, i am not a fan of the B12 injectionmyself. There is a reason why you are not absorbing B12 from the gut, better to try to rectify that rather than injecting it into the bloodstream. That being said B12 is a very important vitamin. However we mostly take the cyanocobalamine version which is really not up to par. You are better of taking the methylcobalamine which the body has a much easier time utilizing.

 

[deusa]

I know about the low doses of iodine in our diet.
It surprises me a little.
Thyroid hormones can be ok with low iodine, but then the thyroid has to be big.
If the thyroid gland is ok and thryroid functions is ok, i don't see the need to have extra iodine, unless you are planning to get pregnant or you are breastfeeding.

It seems to me a good thing to eat some seaweed. As in most things, a half way is ok. Not too much, not too little.

High doses of iodine intake are related to autoimmune thyroid disease, that is why hashimoto was described first in japan and why they have a higher rate of thyroid autoimmune diseases.

I am a medical doctor too, coleague, eheh. And thyroid function is a very interesting subject.

 

[WiteWidoW]

No, the thyroid need not be big at all, that is a misconception. Goiter is just in extreme instances of iodine deficiency. There is a fear in the medical society that iodine gives autoimmune, but this is completely unfounded and is part of the reason why we have this hypothyroidism epidemy that was actually predicted already in the 70's by one of the leading experts in hypothyroidism. And true to his word, here we are. We have massive, unfounded fears when it comes to iodine, plus overdependency on testing.

If you are a doctor then I suggest you watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku2lylX13h4

It gives a few aha-moments and really changes the way you see iodine and hypothyroidism.

 

[psychonaut613]

people seem to think that just bc you inject a vitamin or take a vitamin pill, your body will automatically absorb it and also absorb it in the proper amounts.
When nutrients are taken that naturally occur in a food source from nature, you tend to absorb them more readily and not over absorb.
The best source of B vitamins is dandelion, which may even grow in your yard. It will also improve your digestion. As long as your yard isn't sprayed, 2 or 3 dandelion leaves a day(they are bitter due to high nutrient content) will make you healthier and put color in your skin, at least thats how it's worked for me...

 

[goddessliss]

Thanks psychonau613. I have looked at the Dandelion a number of times but intuition tells me no again which is a bummer.
I ended up using my Spirit of Herbs tarot cards and asked what herb would support me in my goal for ultimate health and I turned up Temperance/Echinacea.
After readings what it says it sounds perfect for me.

I didn't make it to my second appt as I had car trouble. - Liss

 

[littlebuddha]

Liss,
i'd totally go with the gut feeling here, don't do it if your intuition says no. In T. Cleary's translation, hexagram 8 is "Accord" and among else it's about "rectification of imbalance..."
That being said, WB translation is 'Holding together' and with "waters on the surface of the earth flow(ing) together" and rivers coming togethermy wild guess would be that somehow the shots might have a side effect of retaining water in your body? (Normally the opposite would be the effect and for me personally B12 shots do wonders - but it's all individual and i also follow my intuition first and foremost )

Thanks psychonau613. I have looked at the Dandelion a number of times but intuition tells me no again which is a bummer.
I ended up using my Spirit of Herbs tarot cards and asked what herb would support me in my goal for ultimate health and I turned up Temperance/Echinacea.
After readings what it says it sounds perfect for me.

I didn't make it to my second appt as I had car trouble. - Liss