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Wen Wang Gua is a very complicated system, with lot of rules. To make things worse, different authors give different guidance to apply those rules. For those having an interest on Wen Wang Gua, I'd like to share one example about the rules related to the hidden line.
Every line from an hexagram has one of five possible relatives attached. The relatives are Father, Offspring, Sibbling, Official and Asset. When the whole hexagram doesn't have one or more relatives, then one need to find that/those relative(s) 'hidden' behind the hexagram's lines. The earthly branch with the missing relative is the hidden line and the earthly branch of the line under it is hidden is the flying line. Clear rule, so far.
Reading the answer, one need to know if the hidden line can get out of hiding or not; this is more the case when the Spirit of focus for your question is the hidden line.
But then, you can find very different guidance to know if the hidden line can get out of hiding:
a) Raymond Lo only uses the relation between the hidden line and the flying line. If the hidden line is Hai (water) and it is hiding behind a Shen (metal) flying line, then the Hai hidden line can get out of hiding since metal produces water. On the other hand, if a Hai (water) line is hiding behing a Chou (earth) flying line, then the Hai hidden line won't be able to get out of hiding since earth destroys water.
b) Alex Chiu teaches that the hidden line can get out of hide except when the flying line destroys the hidden line; when the month or the day destroys the hidden line, or when an active line destroys the hidden line. But if the hidden line or the flying line are in combination with the day or the month, then the hidden line won't get out of hide until the combination is broken.
c) Sheng Bau, as Raymond Lo, only uses the relation between the hidden line and the flying line.
d) Jack Chiu also uses the relation between the hidden line and the flying line but in a more detailed way (whether the flying line produces or destroys the hidden line + whether the flying line is active or inactive). Beside this, he teaches that the hidden line will always get out of hide when it's earthly branch is the same than the earthly branch of the day.
Now, a real practical case.
On February 9th, 2016 at 19:41 I was asked to perform a divination. The man asking wanted to know in which day of the Yin month would he get his fair share of a joint consultancy service. The answer was Meng zhi Ming I.
The answer shows 4 active lines; most of them in a circumstance where the changed line kills the original line. But right away, one can see that the Spirit of focus (the relative Asset, representing the money) is a hidden line. Therefore, one can skip all the changing lines. One only need to figure if and when the hidden line gets out of hide. The hidden line is You (metal) hiding under line 4, Xu (earth). February 9th, 2016 is a Xun-You day.
a) following Raymond Lo, the consultant should get his money on a day You, because the flying line produces the hidden line (the earth of the Xu's flying line produces the metal of the You's hidden line). The hidden will get out of hide on a You day.
b) following Alex Chiu, the consultan won't get his money within the Yin month, because the money won't be able to get out of hide. Regardless the fact that the flying line produces the hidden line and the fact that the hidden line is the same of the day, the third active line is Wu (fire): that is the case of an active line killing the hidden line.
c) following Sheng Bau, the consultant will get his money on february 22th. He will get the money because the flying line produces the hidden line. To predict the time of verification, one adds the numbers assigned to the trigrams: Mountain (7) over Water (6) is 7+6= 13. Therefore, the money will get out of hide 13 days after the divination.
d) following Jack Chiu, the consultant will get his money within the Yin month, because the hidden line (You) is the same than the day (You). [Jack's book doesn't discuss when the effect will come to be manifest].
I gave the following interpretation: Sorry to give you bad news. It seems like you'll face some difficulties and won't be able to collect your money this month (Yin). Are you having problems with your partner? It's like he won't share your part for some reason. I hope you can solve this problem next month.
One hour ago, i got an email from the man asking the divination. He didn't get his money within the Yin month; he was traveling the entire month and his partner didn't make a wire transfer. He hopes to get the money now that he's back in town.
Every line from an hexagram has one of five possible relatives attached. The relatives are Father, Offspring, Sibbling, Official and Asset. When the whole hexagram doesn't have one or more relatives, then one need to find that/those relative(s) 'hidden' behind the hexagram's lines. The earthly branch with the missing relative is the hidden line and the earthly branch of the line under it is hidden is the flying line. Clear rule, so far.
Reading the answer, one need to know if the hidden line can get out of hiding or not; this is more the case when the Spirit of focus for your question is the hidden line.
But then, you can find very different guidance to know if the hidden line can get out of hiding:
a) Raymond Lo only uses the relation between the hidden line and the flying line. If the hidden line is Hai (water) and it is hiding behind a Shen (metal) flying line, then the Hai hidden line can get out of hiding since metal produces water. On the other hand, if a Hai (water) line is hiding behing a Chou (earth) flying line, then the Hai hidden line won't be able to get out of hiding since earth destroys water.
b) Alex Chiu teaches that the hidden line can get out of hide except when the flying line destroys the hidden line; when the month or the day destroys the hidden line, or when an active line destroys the hidden line. But if the hidden line or the flying line are in combination with the day or the month, then the hidden line won't get out of hide until the combination is broken.
c) Sheng Bau, as Raymond Lo, only uses the relation between the hidden line and the flying line.
d) Jack Chiu also uses the relation between the hidden line and the flying line but in a more detailed way (whether the flying line produces or destroys the hidden line + whether the flying line is active or inactive). Beside this, he teaches that the hidden line will always get out of hide when it's earthly branch is the same than the earthly branch of the day.
Now, a real practical case.
On February 9th, 2016 at 19:41 I was asked to perform a divination. The man asking wanted to know in which day of the Yin month would he get his fair share of a joint consultancy service. The answer was Meng zhi Ming I.
The answer shows 4 active lines; most of them in a circumstance where the changed line kills the original line. But right away, one can see that the Spirit of focus (the relative Asset, representing the money) is a hidden line. Therefore, one can skip all the changing lines. One only need to figure if and when the hidden line gets out of hide. The hidden line is You (metal) hiding under line 4, Xu (earth). February 9th, 2016 is a Xun-You day.
a) following Raymond Lo, the consultant should get his money on a day You, because the flying line produces the hidden line (the earth of the Xu's flying line produces the metal of the You's hidden line). The hidden will get out of hide on a You day.
b) following Alex Chiu, the consultan won't get his money within the Yin month, because the money won't be able to get out of hide. Regardless the fact that the flying line produces the hidden line and the fact that the hidden line is the same of the day, the third active line is Wu (fire): that is the case of an active line killing the hidden line.
c) following Sheng Bau, the consultant will get his money on february 22th. He will get the money because the flying line produces the hidden line. To predict the time of verification, one adds the numbers assigned to the trigrams: Mountain (7) over Water (6) is 7+6= 13. Therefore, the money will get out of hide 13 days after the divination.
d) following Jack Chiu, the consultant will get his money within the Yin month, because the hidden line (You) is the same than the day (You). [Jack's book doesn't discuss when the effect will come to be manifest].
I gave the following interpretation: Sorry to give you bad news. It seems like you'll face some difficulties and won't be able to collect your money this month (Yin). Are you having problems with your partner? It's like he won't share your part for some reason. I hope you can solve this problem next month.
One hour ago, i got an email from the man asking the divination. He didn't get his money within the Yin month; he was traveling the entire month and his partner didn't make a wire transfer. He hopes to get the money now that he's back in town.