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Is there any effect on the reading if it's a relationship between two women or between a man and a woman?Are you a man, Bologna?
I wasn't asking about what kind of relationships you have honestly, although I now see you asked about dating women (hadn't even noticed!), but if you think I was playing the nosy woman you're very very far from the truth.Is there any effect on the reading if it's a relationship between two women or between a man and a woman?
In my reference text (Wengu Tartarie): the relationship is symbolized by two men!Is there any effect on the reading if it's a relationship between two women or between a man and a woman?
That's very interesting, that's why he says top man.In my reference text (Wengu Tartarie): the relationship is symbolized by two men!
wengu.tartarie.com, in french and in english ! A lot of references to Richard Wilhem and Chinese texts (Confucius...)That's very interesting, that's why he says top man.
In Hilary there is no mention to a man, that's why I was asking.
I don't know this Wengu, I am still very ignorant but little by little I will make up!
Hello ! 19.4 - 54 : "Perfect approach"! You will meet a talented person and you are the "top man"! So, yes it's positive. I think 54 means that for now, it's still secondary to you...
In my reference text (Wengu Tartarie): the relationship is symbolized by two men!
19.4: "While the three strokes at the bottom refer to the ascent to power and influence, the three strokes from above show the superior's attitude towards the inferiors to whom he spares influence. Here is shown the perfect and unprejudiced approach of a superior man towards a talented man whom he attracts into his sphere, without caste prevention. This is very favourable. »
It's the same for two women, that's for sure !
The resultant/future/contextual hexagram of 54 however appears different - it says "undertaking brings misfortune" in the judgement - is this saying actually I shouldn't date at this time? In Wilhelm's interpretation of the image of 54 though it sounds more nuanced - like you need to be aware of the end you wish when getting involved so as not to drift along aimlessly in the sea of flesh? And then there is all this talk of "marrying maiden" and so I'm not sure how all that fits in with the other parts, there is a lot to unpack.
Hilary's translation from wiki
'Influence nearing.
Constancy, good fortune.'
That's what Yi says.
It's a commentary, it's not what the I Ching says. So there is absolutely nothing in the line about a talented person or a 'top man' whatever that is.
If I may also offer an opinion ...Out of curiosity @Trojina (since I've seen you mention this before) to what extent do you look at the commentary, if at all? Are there particular translators you think are better for reading a commentary or do you stick to the Yi line itself only?
Obviously some commentators know a lot about structure, history, cultural references in the Yi
Someone would argue 36 isn't a negative hexagram at all..Often times single changing lines that presage good fortune transform a hexagram into a 'negative' hexagram. For example Hex 11.2>36, and 8.2>29 also do this (there are definitely more examples but I don't feel like looking them up). I tend to take the line itself as a sign of good fortune but not quite sure how to integrate the resultant 'negative' hexagram into the reading.
Really? It is the hexagram of the Tyrant of Shang, the antagonist of the I-Ching itself. Line 6 is the lord of darkness.Someone would argue 36 isn't a negative hexagram at all..
The lord of darkness?! I hadn’t heard of that! So line 6 is the most unfortunate?
36 is an indication to keep your light covered but it says you have one, you are one the right way after all. It’s just an indication on how to move around
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