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Jeremaiah

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For some context, I recently met a girl. And in real life, she's like super talkative and fun to be around with. And we laugh all the time when we're around each other.

The problem is, we're from different countries.

And recently, when I talk to her online, she responds late and sometimes even ghosts me altogether.

So I asked the Iching
"How does X feel towards my messages?"

I got Hexagram 40, Changing line 4 and 6.

Hexagram 40
The tension builds up to its high point, but then it must let go. Thunder shakes the
sky loose with laughter, clearing the air and returning the world to normal. The seed
pods swell up and burst. The rainbow trailing the thunderhead sees all the stress and
tension forgiven. One’s self-destructive enemies, by definition, destroy themselves.
Unsustainable behavior extinguishes itself. The danger itself will promote an escape.
The causes of these go away. Things will get more tense and complex until all the
right factors are present. Then, when timing is right, suddenly things come together.
Judges pardon mistakes and misdeeds. Resentment is not a transcendent approach.

Changing Line 4
Release your big toe*
When companions approach, trust them

The young archer’s aim might be superb, but something is wrong with his stance.
He has fumbled his otherwise excellent shot by catching his toe in the bowstring.
The positions assumed by the archers are not like those poses and postures carried
through time by rituals. Every part of a stance has a meaning and translates into aim.
These have been tested and trued for thousands of years, and while it might be true
that refinements might lurk undiscovered, most of these alternate options have now
been tried and let go of. The aim is the thing, and means should assist, not intrude.
Here at least he can trust the social norms, and the friends who now rush to his aid.
Three quivers of bull’s eyes will command more respect than doing one’s very own
thing. All of the fancy maneuvers just cannot forget to stand on inelegant ground.

Changing Line 6
The duke takes aim at the raptor atop the high battlement’s peak
Success at this means nothing cannot be turned to advantage

The raptor alights up on the high wall, hardened to purpose and looking for plunder,
flaunting the way that he holds those below in his spell. The duke strings his bow
and awaits the right time. The highest point of the predator’s arrogance makes one
focal point the aim of all senses. The tension it created has transferred itself to the
string. Timing and circumstance fire the shaft. There is no pardon or lenience here.
Time itself has called for this liberation. It had to take care of itself, the result was
much too compelling. Once the pieces were all in place it was only a matter of time,
and a duke to be time’s servant. Life is under the shadow no more. The raptor, once
plucked, looks a lot like a chicken: a really nasty, inedible chicken. Of course this is
not just a fowl, but the symbol at the center of focus, and the excuse to stay unfree.

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My interpretation is that
I should just cut off the person as it is causing uneasiness in my life.
 

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I have always found it difficult to interpretate casts that is not about "How shall I ...." like the answer to your question about what X is feeling.
I tend to letting the answer be about me instead of the other person - just like you seem to do.
This is because the wording in both the hex and the lines always recommend certain actions or attitutes. It takes a little creativity to see that these words could be about how she feels for you.
But let me try as an exercise to play with the thought that the cast explains how she feels about your messages.

40 could suggest that there is a sense of liberation in having "no place to go, to turn round and come back" (This and the following is based on Hilary's translations):

Line 4: "Releasing the thumbs also. Partners arrive, hence truth and confidence." If, instead of seeing this line as an imperative, seeing it as a description of her feelings, then the "arriving" of your messages gives her the feeling of truth and confidence.

Line 6: "A prince uses this to shoot a hawk, on the top of the high ramparts. He gets it. Nothing that does not bear fruit."

Could mean that she sees potential in your interactions but that achieving a meaningful connection will require effort and precision - from her? you?
Hex 4 could suggests a lack of experience or naivety. She might not know how to handle the situation properly, which could explain the delayed responses or ghosting?
I have no clue if one could interpret it as I do, I am just throwing it on the table as an exercise, because I find it so difficult to interpret casts about questions that divert from "how to"- questions.

Maybe you had in the back of your mind the question: should I stop sending her all these messages. So that the answer it about how YOU should approach the situation. But if so, it gives a promise of hope (take it more lightly, let go and you will get what you want). The frustration thing about I Ching is that one does not always know what the answer is an answer to (besides not knowing which translation one should use, and if one knew: how to understand those words).
 

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I have always found it difficult to interpretate casts that is not about "How shall I ...." like the answer to your question about what X is feeling.
I tend to letting the answer be about me instead of the other person - just like you seem to do.
This is because the wording in both the hex and the lines always recommend certain actions or attitutes. It takes a little creativity to see that these words could be about how she feels for you.
But let me try as an exercise to play with the thought that the cast explains how she feels about your messages.

40 could suggest that there is a sense of liberation in having "no place to go, to turn round and come back" (This and the following is based on Hilary's translations):

Line 4: "Releasing the thumbs also. Partners arrive, hence truth and confidence." If, instead of seeing this line as an imperative, seeing it as a description of her feelings, then the "arriving" of your messages gives her the feeling of truth and confidence.

Line 6: "A prince uses this to shoot a hawk, on the top of the high ramparts. He gets it. Nothing that does not bear fruit."

Could mean that she sees potential in your interactions but that achieving a meaningful connection will require effort and precision - from her? you?
Hex 4 could suggests a lack of experience or naivety. She might not know how to handle the situation properly, which could explain the delayed responses or ghosting?
I have no clue if one could interpret it as I do, I am just throwing it on the table as an exercise, because I find it so difficult to interpret casts about questions that divert from "how to"- questions.

Maybe you had in the back of your mind the question: should I stop sending her all these messages. So that the answer it about how YOU should approach the situation. But if so, it gives a promise of hope (take it more lightly, let go and you will get what you want). The frustration thing about I Ching is that one does not always know what the answer is an answer to (besides not knowing which translation one should use, and if one knew: how to understand those words).
Thank you so much. I guess I'm still new to Iching and don't really know how to ask the right questions yet.

So from what you say, I should ask more questions about "how to" instead? For example, in my situation, I should ask about "how to increase my chances of becoming close to this person?"
 
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I guess I'm still new to Iching and don't really know how to ask the right questions yet.
There is no right way to ask questions of the Yi. As long as you know the intention behind the question, that is enough.
In reality, the Yi does not answer a question , but gives a representation of a situation.
The question is meant for the person consulting the Yi not the Yi itself. The question provides a framework, as it were, within which the Yi's answer can be interpreted.
When you let go of the focus on the question and look at the answer from the perspective of the situation, you will find that the answer has multiple layers that all relate to the situation rather than just the question.
When you are just starting to work with the Yi, this might be more of a challenge, but definitely worth trying.
how to increase my chances of becoming close to this person?
The answer to this question can also be found in H40.4.6. <> H4
The text of H40.4 is about letting go of something that is a limiting influence. This line is parrt of trigram Thunder. Thunder is about wanting a result too quickly. So the advice is to give it some time.
The result of the advice of line 4 can be found in the text of line 6: if you are patient and see things in the long term, it will be successful.
H4 is about inexperience and learning, the water at the bottom of the mountain in H4 does not yet know how its path is going to be. If you can take that attitude of 'not knowing' then the road will show itself.

As always, take what resonates and leave the rest 😉
 
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Hans_K

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And recently, when I talk to her online, she responds late and sometimes even ghosts me altogether.
Is this a fact (ghosting) or your interpretation of what is happening?
H40 and especially the text of the 4th line advises to let go of such thoughts.
If you feel that sometimes there is no communication, why not ask her what is happening? Chances are there is something very different going on. H4, as mentioned earlier, is about an attitude of not knowing and wanting to learn. So maybe don't invent worst-case scenarios, but just ask 😉
 
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