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What happens in 2012?
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Yly2pg1, very interesting link you've provided. Much appreciated.
Out of curiosity I asked Yi to comment on the overall material contained in this link and got 10.5.6 >54 - Co-incidence (?) that these two hexagrams that turn up (paired up) in response are also the two that are presently under separate discussion elsewhere on the board at this time..
Out of further curiosity, Yly2pg1, might you (or anyone else for that matter) comment on the I Ching results that turned up? Why do you suppose Yi chose these two hexagrams to convey the general scope of this material?
Out of curiosity I asked Yi to comment on the overall material contained in this link and got 10.5.6 >54 - Co-incidence (?) that these two hexagrams that turn up (paired up) in response are also the two that are presently under separate discussion elsewhere on the board at this time..
Out of further curiosity, Yly2pg1, might you (or anyone else for that matter) comment on the I Ching results that turned up? Why do you suppose Yi chose these two hexagrams to convey the general scope of this material?
Hi all
I wish I had more time to digest the above website. Hopefully I can later. There was one interesting comment...Now I don't see it. But something about the rapture as an awakening. As we come nearer and nearer, I see some of us coming closer and closer to the truth, and opening up to it, while others stubbornly refuse. (Why? I think it is a mental state of blindness willingly imposed by the subconscious) And live or die, the long term consequences of opening up to the truth, are extremely significant. Extremely...
Don't have my books with me, but I know line six talks about weighing the favorable signs, or, in other terminology, weigh the signs, the signs we are seeing around us now, and come to determine and know the truth in that way. In that way too, we come to be the cosmic christ, or at least, in a sense, his bride. Hexagram 54.
Gene
I wish I had more time to digest the above website. Hopefully I can later. There was one interesting comment...Now I don't see it. But something about the rapture as an awakening. As we come nearer and nearer, I see some of us coming closer and closer to the truth, and opening up to it, while others stubbornly refuse. (Why? I think it is a mental state of blindness willingly imposed by the subconscious) And live or die, the long term consequences of opening up to the truth, are extremely significant. Extremely...
Don't have my books with me, but I know line six talks about weighing the favorable signs, or, in other terminology, weigh the signs, the signs we are seeing around us now, and come to determine and know the truth in that way. In that way too, we come to be the cosmic christ, or at least, in a sense, his bride. Hexagram 54.
Gene
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<font size="-2">Out of curiosity I asked Yi to comment on the overall material contained in this link and got 10.5.6 >54</font>
My opinion, this reading will be relevent from now up to year 2012 (and beyond?). A heavy reading indeed!
We will learn more about line 5 when we go through the materials (substantiated/supplemented by relevent data if any). It is about us and our actions during this period of time, the mankind on earth.
Line 6?
Wait and see the results in 2012.
(Any comments in this line, if you like the way I look at the reading).
<font size="-2">Out of curiosity I asked Yi to comment on the overall material contained in this link and got 10.5.6 >54</font>
My opinion, this reading will be relevent from now up to year 2012 (and beyond?). A heavy reading indeed!
We will learn more about line 5 when we go through the materials (substantiated/supplemented by relevent data if any). It is about us and our actions during this period of time, the mankind on earth.
Line 6?
Wait and see the results in 2012.
(Any comments in this line, if you like the way I look at the reading).
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(1) What the tiger(10) has anything to do with mankind?
(2) What choices(54) we have?
(1) What the tiger(10) has anything to do with mankind?
(2) What choices(54) we have?
<font size="-2">Don't have my books with me, but I know line six talks about weighing the favorable signs, or, in other terminology, weigh the signs, the signs we are seeing around us now, and come to determine and know the truth in that way. In that way too, we come to be the cosmic christ, or at least, in a sense, his bride. Hexagram 54</font>
let's see ...
let's see ...
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Both Hexagrams 10 and 54 represent a time when the person subject to them has limited control.
In both 10 and 54 life conspires to force the person through some difficult changes, often initially involving loss, but ultimately to the benefit of their growth.
There are substantial differences though.
In 54 it is the outer world which changes rapidly and to which one must adjust.
54 is the story of the younger sister of the first daughter of the Shang King. She was at first given in marriage as the junior wife to King Wen. In this role she had to be compliant and submissive, However when her older sister proved barren she was made principal wife and bore both King Wen and Duke Zhou thus establishing the Zhou dynasty.
I imagine that the day she woke to realise that she would be leaving the court of the Emperor Shang to go off to a life with relative strangers must have been a pretty tough day. It represents part of the marriage ritual but here the goat / sheep has no blood and the basket no flowers ? it is barren.
Line six could well be a reference to the first barren wife.
The fact that this was the key to the ?providing for? of a new dynasty might indicate that the hexagram ultimately bodes well.
In the 2012 context? One might expect thunderous change in the outer world over which one might have no control.
In this context too 10 might indicate that it is all part of a difficult transformative process ? again ultimately positive.
Both are growing pains.
--Kevin
In both 10 and 54 life conspires to force the person through some difficult changes, often initially involving loss, but ultimately to the benefit of their growth.
There are substantial differences though.
In 54 it is the outer world which changes rapidly and to which one must adjust.
54 is the story of the younger sister of the first daughter of the Shang King. She was at first given in marriage as the junior wife to King Wen. In this role she had to be compliant and submissive, However when her older sister proved barren she was made principal wife and bore both King Wen and Duke Zhou thus establishing the Zhou dynasty.
I imagine that the day she woke to realise that she would be leaving the court of the Emperor Shang to go off to a life with relative strangers must have been a pretty tough day. It represents part of the marriage ritual but here the goat / sheep has no blood and the basket no flowers ? it is barren.
Line six could well be a reference to the first barren wife.
The fact that this was the key to the ?providing for? of a new dynasty might indicate that the hexagram ultimately bodes well.
In the 2012 context? One might expect thunderous change in the outer world over which one might have no control.
In this context too 10 might indicate that it is all part of a difficult transformative process ? again ultimately positive.
Both are growing pains.
--Kevin
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Oh, I didn't make a crucial difference quite clear... One has to be quite proactive in 'walking the forest' in 10, making decisions and trying to get it right. However the fact is that one is in that difficult learning situation whether one likes it or not.
54 is like being caught in an overpowering blow at sea... put your storm sails up (to try to keep some steerage), dog the hatches (to keep the sea on the outside where it is preferred) and try not to hit the hard bits that stick up out of the water.
Hopefully there will be a dry change of clothes and a rainbow at the end. I have actually had 54 as a reading for storm tactics at sea.
--K
54 is like being caught in an overpowering blow at sea... put your storm sails up (to try to keep some steerage), dog the hatches (to keep the sea on the outside where it is preferred) and try not to hit the hard bits that stick up out of the water.
Hopefully there will be a dry change of clothes and a rainbow at the end. I have actually had 54 as a reading for storm tactics at sea.
--K
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<font size="-2">Hopefully there will be a dry change of clothes and a rainbow at the end. I have actually had 54 as a reading for storm tactics at sea.</font>
You may hold a survival trick here in this coming storm! Feel free to share more ...
<font size="-2">Hopefully there will be a dry change of clothes and a rainbow at the end. I have actually had 54 as a reading for storm tactics at sea.</font>
You may hold a survival trick here in this coming storm! Feel free to share more ...
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Hi Yli2
Wish I did? there is an old sailors saying ? all storms are bigger than you are - treat them all with deference!
Here are some handy tips? They can all be found in the Bible, ? Heavy Weather Sailing' by Peter Bruce.
1 Have a hot meal before the Storm hits ? It could be a long time before you get another.
2 Fill a thermos with hot drinks and put food in your pockets? you may not be able to go below for some time.
3 A sinking yacht is safer than a life raft (see statistics) ? stay with the boat for as long as you can.
4 Storms generally kill by exhausting the crew? don?t fight it work your vessel with it ? It is bigger than you ? always.
5 Hull integrity is essential ? don?t run into the land!
6 When the vessel becomes completely overpowered and you don?t know what to do - get all sail down and do nothing ? many vessels have survived against the odds like this.
7 Get as much sleep as you can both before or during ? see 4.
8 Even when things get really bad ? never ask the cook to do anything ? Remember they will be cooking for you after the blow is over and you DO NOT WANT TO UPSET THEM. (Exception: When they are drowning and ordering them to swim seldom causes offense).
Sounds like 54 to me
--K
Wish I did? there is an old sailors saying ? all storms are bigger than you are - treat them all with deference!
Here are some handy tips? They can all be found in the Bible, ? Heavy Weather Sailing' by Peter Bruce.
1 Have a hot meal before the Storm hits ? It could be a long time before you get another.
2 Fill a thermos with hot drinks and put food in your pockets? you may not be able to go below for some time.
3 A sinking yacht is safer than a life raft (see statistics) ? stay with the boat for as long as you can.
4 Storms generally kill by exhausting the crew? don?t fight it work your vessel with it ? It is bigger than you ? always.
5 Hull integrity is essential ? don?t run into the land!
6 When the vessel becomes completely overpowered and you don?t know what to do - get all sail down and do nothing ? many vessels have survived against the odds like this.
7 Get as much sleep as you can both before or during ? see 4.
8 Even when things get really bad ? never ask the cook to do anything ? Remember they will be cooking for you after the blow is over and you DO NOT WANT TO UPSET THEM. (Exception: When they are drowning and ordering them to swim seldom causes offense).
Sounds like 54 to me
--K
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Gene,<blockquote>"something about the rapture as an awakening. As we come nearer and nearer ... some of us coming closer and closer to the truth, and opening up to it, while others stubbornly refuse .... the long term consequences of opening up to the truth, are extremely significant."</blockquote>
Yly2pg1,<blockquote>It is about us and our actions during this period of time."</blockquote>
Kevin,<blockquote>I didn't make a crucial difference quite clear... One has to be quite proactive in 'walking the forest' in 10, making decisions and trying to get it right."</blockquote>
You each seem to be alluding to the same thing. The times ahead will demand of us all, specific preparations for the thunderous changes that are coming (the Cosmic Christ-ing? as it's been coined.)
In a way, this reminds me of the parable of the ten virgins in the bible (Matthew 25:1-13) who were told to prepare their lamps with oil for the bridegroom's arrival. Half of them were ready when the time came but the other half were not. As I see it, the preparation --the oil in the lamp-- has to do with a response of a certain type of faith required to endure tumultuous times (the bridegroom?) while a lack of proper preparation is the demonstration of the lack of it during those times. The half that is unprepared will no doubt try to get their 'oil-lamps' filled at the last minute but this will not be possible, nor will they be able to get any from those who did prepare. Why? because faith is a development process over time (there are no crash courses) nor is it something that can we borrow from others. If you don't prepare during the peaceful times you will certainly not have it to draw on during rough times.
May we all have a dry change of clothes in our back packs, and may we all be able to see rainbows over that which we will likely have no control.
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Yly2pg1,<blockquote>It is about us and our actions during this period of time."</blockquote>
Kevin,<blockquote>I didn't make a crucial difference quite clear... One has to be quite proactive in 'walking the forest' in 10, making decisions and trying to get it right."</blockquote>
You each seem to be alluding to the same thing. The times ahead will demand of us all, specific preparations for the thunderous changes that are coming (the Cosmic Christ-ing? as it's been coined.)
In a way, this reminds me of the parable of the ten virgins in the bible (Matthew 25:1-13) who were told to prepare their lamps with oil for the bridegroom's arrival. Half of them were ready when the time came but the other half were not. As I see it, the preparation --the oil in the lamp-- has to do with a response of a certain type of faith required to endure tumultuous times (the bridegroom?) while a lack of proper preparation is the demonstration of the lack of it during those times. The half that is unprepared will no doubt try to get their 'oil-lamps' filled at the last minute but this will not be possible, nor will they be able to get any from those who did prepare. Why? because faith is a development process over time (there are no crash courses) nor is it something that can we borrow from others. If you don't prepare during the peaceful times you will certainly not have it to draw on during rough times.
May we all have a dry change of clothes in our back packs, and may we all be able to see rainbows over that which we will likely have no control.
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<blockquote>"(Exception: When they are drowning and ordering them to swim seldom causes offense)".</blockquote>
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There is something in our subconscious that keeps us from recognizing the truth. While the story of the doubting Thomas is very suspicious, and obviously put there by a Roman version of the early church that wished to cast aspersions on "The Gospel according to Thomas." there is a singularity to it, and as the ten virgins, refused to see until the time had so passed, that there was no way to refute the truth because the obvious had become real. The Mayan calander speaks of a rope coming out of the sky, and in a sense, the heavens are opened up. This same story is repeated in the book of revelations in a sense. "The heavens shall open like a scroll, and they shall see the son of man..." In a sense, at some time, this happens to every man in some incarnation when he is ready, but not until he is ready, but when it happens, there is no longer any guess work. You know the truth. It is not a matter of debate any longer. This however, happens on deeper and deeper levels, until eventually, we are the bridegroom of the Christ, and the Christ be formed within us. If we have to go out to buy the oil, we miss the alloted time, and the son of man passes us by.
This is why this subject is so important right now. It bypasses in significance all others. For unless you understand the truth of what is happening on planet earth, and there are two genetically engineered groups on this earth, and one group is in power, and seriously working to undermine, and bring to complete submission and slavery the other group, you will not in anyway understand the significance of current events, nor their true meaning. And I will state, though many will not like it, that if you do not understand this concept, much of your reading and understanding of the I Ching, and all sacred texts, is somewhat suspect.
Gene
This is why this subject is so important right now. It bypasses in significance all others. For unless you understand the truth of what is happening on planet earth, and there are two genetically engineered groups on this earth, and one group is in power, and seriously working to undermine, and bring to complete submission and slavery the other group, you will not in anyway understand the significance of current events, nor their true meaning. And I will state, though many will not like it, that if you do not understand this concept, much of your reading and understanding of the I Ching, and all sacred texts, is somewhat suspect.
Gene
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Gene, just playing devil's advocate here, so please don't mind me too much
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Now, if you're right and one misses the alloted time as a result of being overly rational and logical, the son of man, as you say, passes them by - what does this mean? You definitely seem to be implying that there are repercussions for not believing. But are you implying anything other than what you have already said?
If not, why should anyone take any of this seriously, especially if doing so automatically isolates them into a very small group, considered outcasts by the mainstream, while ignoring the message allows them to remain a part of the 'normal' population flow?
They will naturally be convinced that the ideas you present here (of what is really happening on this planet) are the bogus and fearful imaginings of the weak-minded who are too easily seduced into believing nonsense. And according to them, they would rather err on the side of caution than waste away their lives entertaining foolish ideas. But according to you, they [the unbelievers] are not only not ready to see the truth, but that in turn, this lack of sight interfers with their ability to fully understand the deeper significance of all sacred texts, including I Ching.
If nothing else (as I see it) this alone is definitely a major draw-back. However, for anyone who is not ready to see the truth, anything said along these lines will just sound like half-baked delusions, coupled with future threats of punishment for not joining in on the delusion on time. The "draw-back" then is simply seen as part of the delusion you suffer from, not as part of any reality they need be concerned about.
So aside from providing further insight to those who are already convinced of the veracity of these ideas, do you think there is any point in trying to impart this information to anyone who is not ready for it? In fact, do you think that this material can even be recognized by anyone not open to these possiblities in the first place?
(remember, devil's advocate
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Now, if you're right and one misses the alloted time as a result of being overly rational and logical, the son of man, as you say, passes them by - what does this mean? You definitely seem to be implying that there are repercussions for not believing. But are you implying anything other than what you have already said?
If not, why should anyone take any of this seriously, especially if doing so automatically isolates them into a very small group, considered outcasts by the mainstream, while ignoring the message allows them to remain a part of the 'normal' population flow?
They will naturally be convinced that the ideas you present here (of what is really happening on this planet) are the bogus and fearful imaginings of the weak-minded who are too easily seduced into believing nonsense. And according to them, they would rather err on the side of caution than waste away their lives entertaining foolish ideas. But according to you, they [the unbelievers] are not only not ready to see the truth, but that in turn, this lack of sight interfers with their ability to fully understand the deeper significance of all sacred texts, including I Ching.
If nothing else (as I see it) this alone is definitely a major draw-back. However, for anyone who is not ready to see the truth, anything said along these lines will just sound like half-baked delusions, coupled with future threats of punishment for not joining in on the delusion on time. The "draw-back" then is simply seen as part of the delusion you suffer from, not as part of any reality they need be concerned about.
So aside from providing further insight to those who are already convinced of the veracity of these ideas, do you think there is any point in trying to impart this information to anyone who is not ready for it? In fact, do you think that this material can even be recognized by anyone not open to these possiblities in the first place?
(remember, devil's advocate
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I was talking to a friend about space and what it means when suddenly a bird flew straight through me ..
A big power struggle between the Good and the Bad, earthquakes and other disasters, that is the 'truth' of the old gross sensationalist consciousness.
Forget it, be still, Love is a subtle game.
Advocatus Dei
A big power struggle between the Good and the Bad, earthquakes and other disasters, that is the 'truth' of the old gross sensationalist consciousness.
Forget it, be still, Love is a subtle game.
Advocatus Dei
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<blockquote>"Forget it, be still, Love is a subtle game."</blockquote>
Love has always been a subtle game, and stillness a great suggestion at all times, to all people. However, we should "forget it", becauuuse you say that gross sensationalist consciousness is the backbone of this material?? and your truth, which is positively idyllic and offers no facts to substantiate it, should be sufficient enough for inquiring minds? Hmm.. curious offering of "evidence" to corroborate your side of the discussion, Martin.
Love has always been a subtle game, and stillness a great suggestion at all times, to all people. However, we should "forget it", becauuuse you say that gross sensationalist consciousness is the backbone of this material?? and your truth, which is positively idyllic and offers no facts to substantiate it, should be sufficient enough for inquiring minds? Hmm.. curious offering of "evidence" to corroborate your side of the discussion, Martin.
To buy into the idea of a power struggle only feeds the whole construct...it immediately brings you down to a level where you feel like you need to protect yourself. Once you assume the consciousness of one who has to protect oneself, you have made a separation......drawn lines, created boxes for GOOD GUYS and BAD GUYS and even one for THOSE FOOLS WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER.
In Revelations, Gene, the exhortation is to
"come out of her, my people"
"HER" is a reference to Babylon, the harlot, the state of human ego mind
Come out of that corrupt state of mind which sees and perpetuates division, war, us vs them.
And the only way to come out of her IS to be still. It doesnt mean you are blind to what is going on. One awakened being's radiance and stillness calls countless numbers of people Home.
To perpetuate fear only tightens the hold of what is already operating out of fear anyway.
In Revelations, Gene, the exhortation is to
"come out of her, my people"
"HER" is a reference to Babylon, the harlot, the state of human ego mind
Come out of that corrupt state of mind which sees and perpetuates division, war, us vs them.
And the only way to come out of her IS to be still. It doesnt mean you are blind to what is going on. One awakened being's radiance and stillness calls countless numbers of people Home.
To perpetuate fear only tightens the hold of what is already operating out of fear anyway.
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<blockquote>"To buy into the idea of a power struggle only feeds the whole construct...it immediately brings you down to a level where you feel like you need to protect yourself."</blockquote>
I do not believe that being AWARE of what you are dealing with in life "feeds the whole construct". What feeds the construct is desiring that something unpleasant NOT exist and living life AS IF that were true, while the construct perpetuates because no one wants the responsibility of what it means to actually acknowledge it.
I've had many personal experiences in life that have proved this to me over and over again. And the only way that I have found to deal with these things is not by pretending that they don't exist but by acknowledging them. Only then am I in a position to change my experience. Planetary-wide issues need the same type of acknowledgement to be dealt with effectively, as do any one person's issues. The only difference is that instead of one person alone putting their personal life in order by shouldering the responsibility for their happiness, THIS issue is one we ALL have a hand in and so must accept accountability for it at some point.
<blockquote>"Once you assume the consciousness of one who has to protect oneself, you have made a separation......drawn lines, created boxes for GOOD GUYS and BAD GUYS and even one for THOSE FOOLS WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER."</blockquote>
Creating separation is precisely what the ego-mind does. If you really want to stop the ego-mind in it's tracks then you have to go right to the root. If you are successful you will find that you have risen above this illusion-creating dimension of existence. Otherwise, all you are doing is trimming-off a few leaves from the ego-mind's thought projection and making it prettier for yourself to look at. As long as you find yourself back in this illusion-creating dimension of existence, then you MUST acknowledge the boxes for what they are and then deal with them in terms that make sense. Remember, a weed continues to grow if we don't dig right down and pull out the whole root.
<blockquote>"Come out of that corrupt state of mind which sees and perpetuates division, war, us vs them.
And the only way to come out of her IS to be still. It doesnt mean you are blind to what is going on. One awakened being's radiance and stillness calls countless numbers of people Home."</blockquote>
I couldn't agree more. Yet this is precisely about going to the root of our dilemma here in this dimension of existence. Again, to get to the root we must EACH acknowledge these thought projections out there as our own first - THAT is what needs to be brought HOME for us to get home.
<blockquote>"To perpetuate fear only tightens the hold of what is already operating out of fear anyway."</blockquote>
I don't think that Gene is the one perpetuating the fear. Gene is a very knowledgable and learned man and if anything, by bringing up the subject he gives each one of us yet another opportunity to acknowledge and deal with what he is already acknowledging and dealing with himself.
I do not believe that being AWARE of what you are dealing with in life "feeds the whole construct". What feeds the construct is desiring that something unpleasant NOT exist and living life AS IF that were true, while the construct perpetuates because no one wants the responsibility of what it means to actually acknowledge it.
I've had many personal experiences in life that have proved this to me over and over again. And the only way that I have found to deal with these things is not by pretending that they don't exist but by acknowledging them. Only then am I in a position to change my experience. Planetary-wide issues need the same type of acknowledgement to be dealt with effectively, as do any one person's issues. The only difference is that instead of one person alone putting their personal life in order by shouldering the responsibility for their happiness, THIS issue is one we ALL have a hand in and so must accept accountability for it at some point.
<blockquote>"Once you assume the consciousness of one who has to protect oneself, you have made a separation......drawn lines, created boxes for GOOD GUYS and BAD GUYS and even one for THOSE FOOLS WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER."</blockquote>
Creating separation is precisely what the ego-mind does. If you really want to stop the ego-mind in it's tracks then you have to go right to the root. If you are successful you will find that you have risen above this illusion-creating dimension of existence. Otherwise, all you are doing is trimming-off a few leaves from the ego-mind's thought projection and making it prettier for yourself to look at. As long as you find yourself back in this illusion-creating dimension of existence, then you MUST acknowledge the boxes for what they are and then deal with them in terms that make sense. Remember, a weed continues to grow if we don't dig right down and pull out the whole root.
<blockquote>"Come out of that corrupt state of mind which sees and perpetuates division, war, us vs them.
And the only way to come out of her IS to be still. It doesnt mean you are blind to what is going on. One awakened being's radiance and stillness calls countless numbers of people Home."</blockquote>
I couldn't agree more. Yet this is precisely about going to the root of our dilemma here in this dimension of existence. Again, to get to the root we must EACH acknowledge these thought projections out there as our own first - THAT is what needs to be brought HOME for us to get home.
<blockquote>"To perpetuate fear only tightens the hold of what is already operating out of fear anyway."</blockquote>
I don't think that Gene is the one perpetuating the fear. Gene is a very knowledgable and learned man and if anything, by bringing up the subject he gives each one of us yet another opportunity to acknowledge and deal with what he is already acknowledging and dealing with himself.
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What will happen in 2012?
We have so many expectations. White, black, brown, pink, green, red, ...
What will happen in 2012?
Perhaps one leaf on one of the many trees in one of the many forests on earth will tremble for a fraction of a second.
And that's it.
Did something happen?
Yes, consciousness jumped to a higher frequency.
Has anyone noticed?
We have so many expectations. White, black, brown, pink, green, red, ...
What will happen in 2012?
Perhaps one leaf on one of the many trees in one of the many forests on earth will tremble for a fraction of a second.
And that's it.
Did something happen?
Yes, consciousness jumped to a higher frequency.
Has anyone noticed?
Hi Dharma
As usual you are right on in your perceptions.
Who is ready? Enlightened or not, I don't pretend to know who is ready. I put the information out there, and those who acceed to it will, and those who won't, won't.
Is it fear of the future that puts it out there? Of course not. It is love, full deep compassionate love. I'm not here trying to scare anyone, my message is of great hope and an awesome, unbelievably awesome future. But in order to put your self into that future, it is your own fears, your own limitations that you must come to recognize and acknowledge. It is the fear of the unbeliever that brings the negative future about. Not the love of the believer. It is the fear of the unbeliever that causes these conditions, not the love of the believer.
Yes, there are awesome repercussions for the unbeliever due to his or her own fears. The nightmare of a materialistic universe brings in fact fear into the human mind, and the ego plays right into it, and tries to control everything. We see this very specifically in our modern day leaders. Full of fear.
But then, the ego is "cast down to the earth, full of fury and wrath, for he knoweth that his time is short." 2012 is coming. Our leaders know this, and know that the time is very limited now for them to put their plan into action.
Have you seen the laws being passed recently in the United States? Bankruptcy laws, making it nearly impossible for anyone to go bankrupt, under most conditions. Yesterday was passed a greatly expanded immenent domain law, which allows the government to seize private property for a multitude of reasons, and not necessarily at fair market value anymore. We have a patriot act. Bank accounts of Americans in foreign banks have been being seized lately under suspicious reasons. Do I bring these things up to cause you to fear? Of course not, I bring them up because they are real and they are really happening. Saying people like me are just trying to scare people is a scare tactic of its own. And it is baseless, but all of you know, deep down inside, you have no arguments whatsoever to the contrary of what I am saying.
Gene
As usual you are right on in your perceptions.
Who is ready? Enlightened or not, I don't pretend to know who is ready. I put the information out there, and those who acceed to it will, and those who won't, won't.
Is it fear of the future that puts it out there? Of course not. It is love, full deep compassionate love. I'm not here trying to scare anyone, my message is of great hope and an awesome, unbelievably awesome future. But in order to put your self into that future, it is your own fears, your own limitations that you must come to recognize and acknowledge. It is the fear of the unbeliever that brings the negative future about. Not the love of the believer. It is the fear of the unbeliever that causes these conditions, not the love of the believer.
Yes, there are awesome repercussions for the unbeliever due to his or her own fears. The nightmare of a materialistic universe brings in fact fear into the human mind, and the ego plays right into it, and tries to control everything. We see this very specifically in our modern day leaders. Full of fear.
But then, the ego is "cast down to the earth, full of fury and wrath, for he knoweth that his time is short." 2012 is coming. Our leaders know this, and know that the time is very limited now for them to put their plan into action.
Have you seen the laws being passed recently in the United States? Bankruptcy laws, making it nearly impossible for anyone to go bankrupt, under most conditions. Yesterday was passed a greatly expanded immenent domain law, which allows the government to seize private property for a multitude of reasons, and not necessarily at fair market value anymore. We have a patriot act. Bank accounts of Americans in foreign banks have been being seized lately under suspicious reasons. Do I bring these things up to cause you to fear? Of course not, I bring them up because they are real and they are really happening. Saying people like me are just trying to scare people is a scare tactic of its own. And it is baseless, but all of you know, deep down inside, you have no arguments whatsoever to the contrary of what I am saying.
Gene
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I would catch the falling leaf and press it to the earth, smiling.
Or I will suffer the closing scenes... no matter.
But to be struck down by a loving God because I don't recognise his son from a poorly translated book based on the original and heavilly edited by the early Roman Church?
I think not... Should he come I will give him the leaf... I am sure he will smile.
Until then I live with the ruthless River Dao... Who, unheeding, demands I keep in step... like white water rafting - I make the choices to paddle here or there... The Dao, barely noticing, relentlessly moves on.
When my time comes I will slip under the roaring waves... noiselessly, actionless, free of will, one with the river at last.
--Kevin
(From the Vogon book of verse.)
Or I will suffer the closing scenes... no matter.
But to be struck down by a loving God because I don't recognise his son from a poorly translated book based on the original and heavilly edited by the early Roman Church?
I think not... Should he come I will give him the leaf... I am sure he will smile.
Until then I live with the ruthless River Dao... Who, unheeding, demands I keep in step... like white water rafting - I make the choices to paddle here or there... The Dao, barely noticing, relentlessly moves on.
When my time comes I will slip under the roaring waves... noiselessly, actionless, free of will, one with the river at last.
--Kevin
(From the Vogon book of verse.)
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Or maybe I will press the leaf into someone?s hand.
I think consciousness is changing already. I see signs everywhere.
I agree - The most powerful thing one can do to resist something is to ignore it -Fighting it does give it energy.
The darkest time is always just before dawn. As anyone who has stood night watches knows... 0300 - 0500 are the hardest hours - The hours where mad ideas, sleep and feeling empty cold and lost are the strongest - It generally passes with the dawn and the stirrings of the next watch arriving bringing a strong cup of tea.
--K
I think consciousness is changing already. I see signs everywhere.
I agree - The most powerful thing one can do to resist something is to ignore it -Fighting it does give it energy.
The darkest time is always just before dawn. As anyone who has stood night watches knows... 0300 - 0500 are the hardest hours - The hours where mad ideas, sleep and feeling empty cold and lost are the strongest - It generally passes with the dawn and the stirrings of the next watch arriving bringing a strong cup of tea.
--K
".....Then you live as truth - alive, radiant, contented, blissful, a song unto yourself. Your whole life becomes a prayer without any words, or better to say a prayerfulness, a grace, a beauty which does not belong to our mundane world, a ray of light coming from the beyond into the darkness of our world."
from the osho tarot
from the osho tarot
A clear and awakened consciousness DOES get right to "the root" of things, but it does so just by being fully conscious. It is like pouring a continuous stream of pure water into an old dirty well. The stuff at the bottom gets churned up, on a personal level AND on a planetary level.
BUt what is your focus? The radiant stream of consciousness which will, if one LETS it, clear out the well entirely,
OR the dark contents which are in flux and which seem awfully compelling?
The primary responsibility of any individual, as I see it, is to let the cleansing occur, and not to be offput by the dreadful appearances of what must pass away.
To be aware of an apparent power struggle is not the same as buying into it, getting involved with it, feeling that you MUST do something to change it. That is the difference between ego and consciousness.
Consciousness is fully aware but still and serene.
Ego feels that OY VEY - SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!
"....In all the world but few can know accomplishment apart from work,
instruction when no words are used.
By this I know the benefit of something done by quiet being."
BUt what is your focus? The radiant stream of consciousness which will, if one LETS it, clear out the well entirely,
OR the dark contents which are in flux and which seem awfully compelling?
The primary responsibility of any individual, as I see it, is to let the cleansing occur, and not to be offput by the dreadful appearances of what must pass away.
To be aware of an apparent power struggle is not the same as buying into it, getting involved with it, feeling that you MUST do something to change it. That is the difference between ego and consciousness.
Consciousness is fully aware but still and serene.
Ego feels that OY VEY - SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!
"....In all the world but few can know accomplishment apart from work,
instruction when no words are used.
By this I know the benefit of something done by quiet being."
D
dharma
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<blockquote>"To be aware of an apparent power struggle is not the same as buying into it, getting involved with it, feeling that you MUST do something to change it. That is the difference between ego and consciousness."</blockquote>
In the world I live in, something indeed must be done when a well is muddied, old, and leaky. One must acknowledge the problem and deal with it on ITS terms (if it is a metaphoric problem then the work is clearly going to be very different from a literal one) or the work that needs doing either doesn't get attended to at all or someone else is left to do the dirty work. If you really believe that just being aware of world problems and singing kumbaya is enough to fix them then you clearly aren't part of the solution to the muddied, old and leaky wells of this world.
But the majority on this planet never do consider that merely confronting their personal fears about certain subjects that frighten them IS a huge contribution to the overall solution. They continue to defend their fears instead of confronting them head-on and clearing the way ahead of them to the benefit of the whole - (all I'm saying is that if you don't sweep the floor before you attempt to wash it, it's going to be that much more difficult to actually get it clean.)
<blockquote>"A clear and awakened consciousness DOES get right to "the root" of things, but it does so just by being fully conscious."</blockquote>
This takes a whole lot of work. Most people haven't done this work yet because they've read a few books they mistake their knowledge for the actual difficult inner work, and then go around telling other people where it's at and how to get there. Please don't tell me that you've done all your work because if you had you wouldn't be here telling us how we evolve best by NOT facing and confronting the implications of darkness in our world. Nor am I implying that my inner work is complete either, otherwise I wouldn't be here attempting to assimilate more of this very controversial subject into myself so I can ultimately decide for MYSELF what to make of it all.
<blockquote>"BUt what is your focus? The radiant stream of consciousness which will, if one LETS it, clear out the well entirely, OR the dark contents which are in flux and which seem awfully compelling?"</blockquote>
Shadow work is a critical part of opening up and being able to access higher levels of consciousness. If one cannot willingly embrace ambiguity, paradox and uncertainty and allow for these to lead him/her, literally and figuratively to engage and understand darkness, there is no accessing higher levels of consciousness with which to flush out the well.
Obviously, other people will have to do the majority of the inner work for this planet, because singing kumbaya to quell inner fears is not what's doing it, as much as you'd like to believe. Real stillness comes from having done the inner "dark" work first, otherwise you're mistaking inhibition for stillness.
In the world I live in, something indeed must be done when a well is muddied, old, and leaky. One must acknowledge the problem and deal with it on ITS terms (if it is a metaphoric problem then the work is clearly going to be very different from a literal one) or the work that needs doing either doesn't get attended to at all or someone else is left to do the dirty work. If you really believe that just being aware of world problems and singing kumbaya is enough to fix them then you clearly aren't part of the solution to the muddied, old and leaky wells of this world.
But the majority on this planet never do consider that merely confronting their personal fears about certain subjects that frighten them IS a huge contribution to the overall solution. They continue to defend their fears instead of confronting them head-on and clearing the way ahead of them to the benefit of the whole - (all I'm saying is that if you don't sweep the floor before you attempt to wash it, it's going to be that much more difficult to actually get it clean.)
<blockquote>"A clear and awakened consciousness DOES get right to "the root" of things, but it does so just by being fully conscious."</blockquote>
This takes a whole lot of work. Most people haven't done this work yet because they've read a few books they mistake their knowledge for the actual difficult inner work, and then go around telling other people where it's at and how to get there. Please don't tell me that you've done all your work because if you had you wouldn't be here telling us how we evolve best by NOT facing and confronting the implications of darkness in our world. Nor am I implying that my inner work is complete either, otherwise I wouldn't be here attempting to assimilate more of this very controversial subject into myself so I can ultimately decide for MYSELF what to make of it all.
<blockquote>"BUt what is your focus? The radiant stream of consciousness which will, if one LETS it, clear out the well entirely, OR the dark contents which are in flux and which seem awfully compelling?"</blockquote>
Shadow work is a critical part of opening up and being able to access higher levels of consciousness. If one cannot willingly embrace ambiguity, paradox and uncertainty and allow for these to lead him/her, literally and figuratively to engage and understand darkness, there is no accessing higher levels of consciousness with which to flush out the well.
Obviously, other people will have to do the majority of the inner work for this planet, because singing kumbaya to quell inner fears is not what's doing it, as much as you'd like to believe. Real stillness comes from having done the inner "dark" work first, otherwise you're mistaking inhibition for stillness.
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It is the fear of the unbeliever that causes these conditions, not the love of the believer.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
That's strange... At least where it comes to this subject/thread, I don't see that.
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Forget it, be still, Love is a subtle game.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Love it!
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Consciousness is fully aware but still and serene.
Ego feels that OY VEY - SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Love it!
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But to be struck down by a loving God because I don't recognise his son from a poorly translated book based on the original and heavilly edited by the early Roman Church?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Love it!
Somehow, I feel rather unafraid...
It is the fear of the unbeliever that causes these conditions, not the love of the believer.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
That's strange... At least where it comes to this subject/thread, I don't see that.
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Forget it, be still, Love is a subtle game.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Love it!
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
Consciousness is fully aware but still and serene.
Ego feels that OY VEY - SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Love it!
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But to be struck down by a loving God because I don't recognise his son from a poorly translated book based on the original and heavilly edited by the early Roman Church?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Love it!
Somehow, I feel rather unafraid...